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iPhone 3.0: Tethering Ahoy
Assuming AT&T gets their ducks in a row...
by Karl Bode 08:34AM Wednesday Mar 18 2009 Tipped by BB_Hunter See Profile
Apple of course this week released details on the upcoming iPhone 3.0 upgrade, which will bring a lot of long-desired functionality to the device (Gizmodo has one of the better breakdowns). Some of the new features had always been somewhat bizarre and annoying exclusions -- such as cut and paste functionality or MMS support. Of course we're most interested in tethering the iPhone and using it as a HSDPA modem, which Apple says should soon be possible -- once AT&T gets around to it. The update also will include some interesting P2P, Wi-Fi and Blutooth functionality, which this video explores in more detail. The full Apple presentation can be seen here.

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FINALLY

As usual, Apple has a great device but is late to the party with basic functionality. While I am satisfied with my iPhone, there are some glaring functionality issues which it looks like 3.0 might finally address; MMS and the ability to use the keyboard in landscape mode other than just for the web.

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It was funny; as I was following along with the presentation yesterday, it occurred to me how the stuff I was most happy to see was stuff that just about every other smartphone has had since revision 1.

Not that I won't eagerly upgrade to OS 3.0, but on my first-gen iPhone there will be no MMS or stereo Bluetooth support as the necessary hardware supposedly isn't present (A2DP was a HUGE one for me; on a music-centric device like the iPhone it boggled my mind that they left it out).

I'm waiting for the third hardware revision to drop and hoping it will be this summer. Then I'll be upgrading and giving the first-gen iPhone to my wife.
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Re: FINALLY

said by banditws6:

It was funny; as I was following along with the presentation yesterday, it occurred to me how the stuff I was most happy to see was stuff that just about every other smartphone has had since revision 1.

Not that I won't eagerly upgrade to OS 3.0, but on my first-gen iPhone there will be no MMS or stereo Bluetooth support as the necessary hardware supposedly isn't present (A2DP was a HUGE one for me; on a music-centric device like the iPhone it boggled my mind that they left it out).

I'm waiting for the third hardware revision to drop and hoping it will be this summer. Then I'll be upgrading and giving the first-gen iPhone to my wife.
I agree with everything you said. While stereo bluetooth hasn't (yet) been a big deal to me, I can see why that would be big to some. Aside from that, every smartphone/pda I've owned (since WinMo 5) has had all the features 3.0 is just now bringing to the table. I still can't grasp why MMS of all things (every single phone except the iPhone supports it) wasn't introduced until now.

Any idea what the new hardware revision will bring? Hopefully a faster processor because let's face it, all that pretty graphical "gee-whiz" sliding and fading is no good if it stutters when doing it.

Also, I wonder if we'll finally be able to add a wallpaper to the springboard? I hate how I can't do simple ass things like that.

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Re: FINALLY

I've played around with the iPhone. I messed with it back when the 2nd update came out for the iPhone, and to be honest, my impression was...well I wasn't really that impressed. Granted, I don't use smart phones often, because I don't have a use for them (but others do, which I understand; not bashing the iPhone or any other smart phone out there.)

I've been reading up on the iPhone, and the updates in general (not a REAL close reading), and maybe I'm missing something, but the hype of the iPhone was a bit over the top.
I know someone who purchased it the night the phones came out, and played around with it. It just seemed...like a shiny piece of overhyped technology.

I could be wrong, but that was my impression of the iPhone.
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Re: FINALLY

said by The Limit:

I've played around with the iPhone. I messed with it back when the 2nd update came out for the iPhone, and to be honest, my impression was...well I wasn't really that impressed.
It has without a doubt been overhyped. It is (in my opinion) probably the best phone that I've ever owned now that it has Exchange support (and I can install/use a SIP client over 3G to log into our work PBX) -- but there are definitely areas for improvement and regardless of what people say, surfing the web on it is still a PITA. Just because it's the best at surfing the web for a mobile phone doesn't mean it's magically a good experience. It's a situation where it's the "King of the Sewer." In other words, it's still a piece of shit experience, even if it's the best piece of shit experience out there.

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Re: FINALLY

For me the iPhone is the first mobile browser that I did not feel was a POS experience. It is, for the most part, enjoyable to use.

It would be better with:

1) More speed. To really fix this we need better processor and battery technology.
2) More stability. This has slowly gotten better but a browser should never crash.
3) Flash. Love it or hate it many sites are broken without it. See #1. Sure we might get a "mobile flash" but I just don't see it ever cutting it. The whole essence of flash is to utilize CPU power to create big effects with minimal data transfer/load times.
4) A real keyboard. As much as I think this would improve the "experience", however, moving parts are likely to make the product less rugged. My 2 year old iPhone 1G looks and works about the same as it did when it was first purchased. I can't say the same for the AT&T 8525 that we went through several replacements within the first year due to worn/broken keys and ribbon cables.

iPhone 3 sounds great. It's annoying that they're excluding iPhone 1G from MMS support. What's up with that? Crappy, cheap basic phones do MMS. There's no extra hardware necessary as demonstrated by SwirlyMMS. This should not be excluded. If they really have to, charge $9.95 for a software upgrade to get it.

A2DP is nice but I'm ok with that being limited to the the 3G.
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Re: FINALLY

I use SwirlyMMS and it's great well worth the $8 they charge after the trial period.

I still don't get why it's taken so long...

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Re: FINALLY

said by Subaru:

I use SwirlyMMS and it's great well worth the $8 they charge after the trial period.

I still don't get why it's taken so long...
I tried Swirly, but could never get it working.

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Re: FINALLY

odd.. I picked my T-mobile MMS service and sent a test message to a friend and asked if he got the picture and he did.. so I had someone send me a picture and it arrived on the phone and shows the little icon.

sad I have to unlock the phone to get all these features :-/

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Eh, because what some people are really concerned about are "FLASHY, NEW, AND WOW IT'S APPLE!!"

Yes, a sweeping generalization, but I'm starting to believe it more and more, because of the proof right in front of my eyes. The people I know, from my own experiences, who bought the iPhone, well they don't really use what it offers.

Off topic here, but as time moves on, and smart phones become more popular, I tend to ask those who purchase them: Why?

You know what their response is?

"It's a smart phone. It's cool."
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Re: FINALLY

The iPhone I'm on now I brought from eBay it had a broken screen which I replaced then the replacement went out because it was cheap. Anyways I brought the phone to see what programs where offered with the cydia

I have 5 phones and two of those are windows smart phones.

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Re: FINALLY

Well, I don't normally get responses like that

There aren't as many people as you.
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Re: FINALLY

I have the IPod 2G, and love the thing. But I spend 2 - 3hrs commuting every day. I use it a lot on our wifi at home as well. My wife still controls the TV remote, but now I can disappear into the IPod instead of sleeping through Dancing with the Stars, or Grey's Anatomy.

I haven't even unlocked the thing yet as we had a $15 itunes gift card lying around that has been more than enough to fill the little sucker with entertainment. I bring movie's and TV shows with me for in-flight viewing on business trips as well.

I would get an IPhone if my company supported it, but they are BBerry only. What I'd really like to do is figure out a way to let the Ipod use the BBerry as a modem.

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My girlfriend hasn't put her iPhone down since she bought it. Of course, my daughter didn't even want one because of the on-screen keyboard.

I decided to get one because it was $200 less than the competing BB at the time. I am actually fairly pleased with it. It can do a lot more than I thought (Exchange push, VPN connectivity, SSH support, RDP support, SIP client for work PBX -- across 3G too Jailbroken) that I was never able to do with my other WinMo phones.

I've also found a wealth of nifty apps, like a subnet calculator, pandora streaming radio, a neato conversion app (weights/measurements), along with several other time wasters.

It was completely worth the $99 (yes, $99 refurbed) that I paid for it.

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I have stereo bluetooth headphones that I use at the gym via a dongle that plugs into the dock connector, I look forward to the power-savings of using the built-in bluetooth adapter rather than a separate dongle.

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said by Matt3:

Aside from that, every smartphone/pda I've owned (since WinMo 5) has had all the features 3.0 is just now bringing to the table.
not sure about other winmo5 devices, but i had a sprint moto q running winmo5 and it didn't have mms/picture messaging options either...

q.

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Re: FINALLY

said by tubbynet:

said by Matt3:

Aside from that, every smartphone/pda I've owned (since WinMo 5) has had all the features 3.0 is just now bringing to the table.
not sure about other winmo5 devices, but i had a sprint moto q running winmo5 and it didn't have mms/picture messaging options either...

q.
My XV6700 running WinMo 5 most certainly did. It came out at the end of the WinMo 5 cycle though and later on I actually hacked WinMo 6 onto it, so perhaps when WinMo 5 was released it didn't? Your Moto Q also ran Windows Mobile Smartphone Edition ... the XV6700 ran the full Windows Mobile. There is a BIG difference.

Regardless, my buddies Moto Q does and I had a Moto Q9c that did as well. Both are on Verizon though.

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Re: FINALLY

My Blackjack running WM5 definitely had MMS. However, it didn't work very well. An MMS would come in, but it would often get stuck endlessly trying to download the attachments. Restarting the phone would usually get it to successfully download. Maybe Verizon didn't want to subject MotoQ users to that "POS experience" and disabled the feature?
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said by banditws6:

I'm waiting for the third hardware revision to drop and hoping it will be this summer. Then I'll be upgrading and giving the first-gen iPhone to my wife.
Is that supposed to drop this summer too? Wife and I are in the market, but can certainly wait...

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said by Matt3:

As usual, Apple has a great device but is late to the party with basic functionality. While I am satisfied with my iPhone, there are some glaring functionality issues which it looks like 3.0 might finally address; MMS and the ability to use the keyboard in landscape mode other than just for the web.
iPhone is a rather mediocre device - lame low-rez display compared to HTCs, Xperia etc - and its features are downright sucking compared to current smartphones.
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Re: FINALLY

said by kamm:

said by Matt3:

As usual, Apple has a great device but is late to the party with basic functionality. While I am satisfied with my iPhone, there are some glaring functionality issues which it looks like 3.0 might finally address; MMS and the ability to use the keyboard in landscape mode other than just for the web.
iPhone is a rather mediocre device - lame low-rez display compared to HTCs, Xperia etc - and its features are downright sucking compared to current smartphones.
I've owned WinMo 6 devices and WinMo is half-baked at best. It has it's share of problems that a higher res screen can't fix.

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Re: FINALLY

The iPhone is all right, but I wouldn't trade my HTC Touch Pro for one.

I consider my phone to be superior for my needs (nothing to do with the hi-res screen). iPhone and Winmo are just targeted at different types of consumers at the moment.

It's great to hear that the iPhone is finally getting those seemingly basic functions it was missing.
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Cost?

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?

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Re: Cost?

Read the info from Gizmodo. No carrier has supported the tethering or announced pricing.

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said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
I believe that would be up to the individual carriers. Apple is building the client-side for tethering but the carrier controls the rest.

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said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
It will be an extra cost option without doubt from AT&T.
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Re: Cost?

said by FFH:

said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
It will be an extra cost option without doubt from AT&T.
And if not, I'm going to dump all my shares of T as management will have lost their mind.

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Re: Cost?

said by Matt3:

said by FFH:

said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
It will be an extra cost option without doubt from AT&T.
And if not, I'm going to dump all my shares of T as management will have lost their mind.
And if you do noone will give a shit because the influx of new data-centric customers would offset it waaay beyond of any retarded extra fee that wou'd love to see.
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said by FFH:

said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
It will be an extra cost option without doubt from AT&T.
Most likely - it's a retarded, greedy, PoS corp with zero intention to push the envelope.

AT&T's so-called "3G" speed is already a fuckin' joke, nothing else, compared to *real* 3G HSDPA/HSUPA networks in Europe and Asia, remember.
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My guess is expect it to be an additional $20 to 30 ontop of the data plan for the iphone.

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Re: Cost?

said by gdm:

My guess is expect it to be an additional $20 to 30 ontop of the data plan for the iphone.
That would make it the most expensive cellular data service *EVER*! And this is in the year when flat-fee unlimited data services are rolling out...
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Re: Cost?

said by kamm:

said by gdm:

My guess is expect it to be an additional $20 to 30 ontop of the data plan for the iphone.
That would make it the most expensive cellular data service *EVER*! And this is in the year when flat-fee unlimited data services are rolling out...
No, it wouldn't. An iPhone data plan is $30 so that would make it $50 or $60 to tether. Verizon's data plan is $45.99 + $15 to tether, or $60.99.

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Re: Cost?

said by Matt3:

said by kamm:

said by gdm:

My guess is expect it to be an additional $20 to 30 ontop of the data plan for the iphone.
That would make it the most expensive cellular data service *EVER*! And this is in the year when flat-fee unlimited data services are rolling out...
No, it wouldn't. An iPhone data plan is $30 so that would make it $50 or $60 to tether. Verizon's data plan is $45.99 + $15 to tether, or $60.99.
And AT&T charges from $15 to $30 extra for some other smartphones & PDAs to tether based on this web page:
»www.wireless.att.com/businesscen···able.jsp
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said by blips:

At added cost, correct? Or will you be able to tether for free?
This *is* after all A T & T. nothing is free with them!
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Calendar

I would like to know if they will better support calendar for exchange. Like being able to create a appt. and invite attendees. This is a good step but I still don't see added support for exchange or multiple signatures.

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RE

The device is definitely over-hyped. It has been since the first iPhone. This year though (because we all know Apple plans to release a new iPhone and the only thing they will probably change is the case style) I will not be drinking the kool aid. The ridiculous lines, and the rude AT&T store employees are not worth it. I know one person, who was there at 3AM (we live in a smaller city) for the first iPhone and I think he showed up at 5AM for the second iPhone. It just is not worth it.

I am more than content with my Blackberry Bold. And I am sure others are waiting for the Palm Pre. Apple is only interested in one thing. Improving their App store, so they can keep raking in that 30% of the profits they get from the developers, which I think is already overly greedy. Let the developers take 90% and they can take 10%. The App store plus the portion of the revenue they get from AT&T makes it some mighty fine revenue.

As I stated before though, it will be interesting to see how many people get upset (because the average person that bought an iPhone) does not know yet that another one will be coming out.
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quote:
As I stated before though, it will be interesting to see how many people get upset (because the average person that bought an iPhone) does not know yet that another one will be coming out.
I bought an iPhone last week knowing full well a new one will more than likely be out in the coming months, but what's the point of waiting for new hardware when the software will be the same. The only changes I foresee are some slight cosmetic differences, and maybe 16GB and 32GB models replacing the 8GB and 16GB ones. At least going from a 1st generation iPhone to a second generation iPhone you got something worthwhile, 3G, I doubt the differences between a second generation iPhone and a third will be that great.
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iPhone 3.0

I'm impressed. Tons of apps and finally basic things like cut copy and paste. Weird how they show a guy playing it as an instrument and they now finally have copy! Geez.

But the 3.0 looks amazing.