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| | Hilarious ATT I hate to break it to you, but your network has had iPhones tethering on it for a few years now. | |
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This new development just has the tethering "switch" made visible to AT&T users in the United States, and could simply be an anomaly resulting from the BETA status of the iPhone OS. This is not necessarily an indication that AT&T is any closer to approving tethering on the iPhone at all. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering But it isn't the same service. You're currently paying $30/mth for unlimited data consumption with your iPhone. Tethering allows additional device(s) to utilize the same connection, most likely increasing your consumption relatively significantly. Perhaps you'd like your iPhone data plan to be capped at 5GB but allow unlimited tethering for your $30/mth? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: tethering stop fooling yourself
even with the USB data cards att offers you still get capped at 5gb
so it it theft and AT&T shouldn't be able to do this | |
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering I'm not fooling myself. The iPhone's $30 data plan is currently unlimited. AT&T's $60 LaptopConnect service is capped at 5 GB. It's not theft to think that AT&T will bring the price and service disparities together. It's not rocket science. | |
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| said by openbox9:But it isn't the same service. You're currently paying $30/mth for unlimited data consumption with your iPhone. Tethering allows additional device(s) to utilize the same connection, most likely increasing your consumption relatively significantly. Perhaps you'd like your iPhone data plan to be capped at 5GB but allow unlimited tethering for your $30/mth? Is it not data coming to my iPhone? It's the same.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering Not when your propensity is to transfer more data because you're using a laptop with a larger screen, full keyboard, and more robust and data hungry applications. | |
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| Re: tethering said by openbox9:Not when your propensity is to transfer more data because you're using a laptop with a larger screen, full keyboard, and more robust and data hungry applications. There are plenty of data intensive apps currently for the iPhone. Look at Pandora.
It's all data going into the iPhone, period. You can't justify charging me more for what I MIGHT do. Tethered data doesn't cost AT&T anymore than what I use normally.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering AT&T already charges an extra $30/mth for tethering options, so why would you expect the iPhone to be any different? | |
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kudos:4 | Re: tethering Personally I think it should be included, I would not buy a $30 tethering plan. Why do I think it should be different? Why have a totally different data plan specifically for the iPhone? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering said by ptrowski:Why have a totally different data plan specifically for the iPhone? And my point was that AT&T already has a "Smartphone Personal with tethering" data plan for smartphones that's $60 instead of the normal $30. It wouldn't be a different plan specially for the iPhone...it's for all smartphones. | |
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| Re: tethering said by openbox9:said by ptrowski:Why have a totally different data plan specifically for the iPhone? And my point was that AT&T already has a "Smartphone Personal with tethering" data plan for smartphones that's $60 instead of the normal $30. It wouldn't be a different plan specially for the iPhone...it's for all smartphones. In that case they could have enabled tethering a long time ago if it was so easy. I am willing to bet there will be a different plan for the iPhone. They already had data plans prior to the iPhone, why have a specific one for it? They are cooking up something different.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering And I've stated all along that AT&T's holdup wasn't determining a marketing strategy, but rather it's been a fear of capacity problems. What's different about the iPhone data plan? | |
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| Re: tethering said by openbox9:And I've stated all along that AT&T's holdup wasn't determining a marketing strategy, but rather it's been a fear of capacity problems. What's different about the iPhone data plan? Great question, I am not sure if it's just marketing or what it is.
Seriously, if capacity was an issue why have the 3G iPad? That would consume in theory more bandwidth.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering said by ptrowski:Seriously, if capacity was an issue why have the 3G iPad? $$$ | |
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| Re: tethering said by openbox9:said by ptrowski:Seriously, if capacity was an issue why have the 3G iPad? $$$ Exactly. But if capacity was also an issue then there would be tons of reports of service being worse now, which we are not seeing.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering The iPad, especially the 3G version, is still an extremely small fish. I honestly wouldn't expect to see an impact from the iPad until the 3G numbers increase. Besides, contrary to a lot of hatred around here, AT&T has been busy upgrading its network over the last few years, so theoretically, any impact should be minimal. | |
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Tethering is free in the rest of the developed world where the iPhone exists. Charging for it here is stupid. Data is data. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering said by sonicmerlin:Tethering is free in the rest of the developed world where the iPhone exists. And yet most of us appear to continue living in the US. | |
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| said by openbox9:But it isn't the same service. You're currently paying $30/mth for unlimited data consumption with your iPhone. Yes, and if I were to divert that consumption to another device THROUGH my iPhone (using 802.11, Blue tooth, or cable), using IT INSTEAD of the iPhone directly, how is that adversely impacting AT&T? I would still be using only ONE device using the bandwidth and consumption I am paying for. What gives AT&T the right to dictate my internal network architecture? Don't forget, that iPhone belongs to ME! Not to AT&T. I can do whatever I want with MY property.
I can see a possible problem if I were to use both devices simultaneously; but if the tethering system allowed one and only one device to access the network, I see no problem at all. AT&T provides me with unlimited 3g consumption at $30.00/Mo. I don't feel they have any right to dictate which of MY device I choose to use to consume that service.
This speaks directly to the "dumb-pipe" ISP philosophy, which I support wholeheartedly. Sell me bandwidth, and let me use it as I please, it seems to be my right.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering said by TamaraB:Don't forget, that iPhone belongs to ME! Not to AT&T. I can do whatever I want with MY property. Don't forget that it's AT&T's network and term of service that you're abiding by  said by TamaraB:but if the tethering system allowed one and only one device to access the network, I see no problem at all. I would assume the fear is that with a more capable system tethered to a relatively fragile network, that the network could potentially run into more capacity issues.said by TamaraB:AT&T provides me with unlimited 3g consumption at $30.00/Mo. On a small, relatively limited, phone.said by TamaraB:I don't feel they have any right to dictate which of MY device I choose to use to consume that service. AT&T already does with other smartphones with its tethering plans, so the iPhone shouldn't be any different IMO.said by TamaraB:Sell me bandwidth, and let me use it as I please, it seems to be my right. And AT&T is willing to do so for $60/mth. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering said by sonicmerlin:If they're afraid of people using too much data, then don't advertise it as unlimited and set a cap. I agree. And I believe that's what we'll see. AT&T's iPhone tethering will fall in line with its other tethering plans...5 GB cap. | |
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Davenport, FL | You bet it is.
Original iPhone (2G) users had a plan that allowed unlimited texting, data, etc, and are eligible to receive this update (assuming all the addicts haven't already blown up the supply due to excessive battery use and drainage ).
Then AT&T decided to make texting separate for the iPhone 3G/S here.
Now they'll want to charge us AGAIN for a feature the phone would inherently have available, and was technically possible, since the original units?
*expletive* that. It's data; the hell should they care how the phone gets it, or what it does with it?
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering Your willingness to pay for an optional service most definitely does not constitute theft. If I were AT&T, I'd include the tethering option at no additional cost, but cap smartphone service at 5 GB across the board, charging for incremental use beyond 5 GB. | |
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Davenport, FL | Re: tethering This is the same company that invented mandates on putting everyone on a texting and/or data plan just for having a phone with anything more than an absolute base feature set; even if I didn't particularly care to use the phone that way, and wanted to have texting blocked, now we are being forced to pay.
You give them too much credit.
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kudos:2 | Re: tethering Too much credit for you voluntarily purchasing a product, with known service requirements and costs? | |
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ALL smartphones have seperate tethering plan costs and caps, IPhone will more then likely be exactly the same. Although tethering on a iphone seems kind of dumb given the short battery run time on them | |
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kudos:2 | I believe you're paying $30/mth for unlimited data consumption with your iPhone. Tethering ups the anti beyond data consumption with your iPhone, therefore you should expect AT&T to charge for it accordingly. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: tethering said by itguy05:said by duranr:I would mind any fee above $0 USD. I already pay 30 dollars a month for what is "assumed" to be 5GB per billing cycle. I will not pay twice to make use of data I am already paying for. It's not 5GB it is unlimited. Everywhere the iPhone data plan is documented, it's spelled out UNLIMITED. Other plans do show data usage. ya suuurrreee
its 5GB belive it or not
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| Re: tethering read the fine print.
Everywhere there is the "unlimited*"
see that asterisk? that means there is a catch. the fine print in your contract says 5GigaBytes a month total data usage allowed, and any overages will be $0.005 per Megabyte. read the contract carefully. I have experienced these painful overages, and they suck. ATT does not even tell you you have reached the limit. | |
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kudos:2 | Tethering plans do appear capped at 5 GB. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates, the parties agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month. So, the question is how will AT&T handle (and price) an unlimited smartphone plan with a 5 GB tethered option. | |
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1 edit | ROFL @ US Jailbreakers Once again, you US iPhone users continue to put up with the disaster that is AT&T. Meanwhile, I'll take my Palm Pre (and soon to add EVO 4G) and use wifi tethering (Mobile HotSpot) on my iPod Touch rocking solid 3G and 4G.
What more do you need AT&T to do for you to drop them? When does it end?
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| The Red Pill or the Blue Pill Consistently I was using about 600mb a month via my iphone and ATT has the audacity to charge me 30 dollars. I might as well lower my pants and let everyone else rape me.
Thank G_D for JailBreaking! I don't mind that I can only use my iphone on ATT, since TMo's footprint is so limited but now a least I can tether my iphone again which is what's important to me. I refuse to pay $13 a day at a freaken hotel to be able to go online if I need to.
I saw the benefit of using MyWi and My3G and I went ahead and paid for both apps. I don't mind at all paying for apps that will allow me to tether, but I do mind paying FCKING ATT more for the sh1ty service that I'm getting from them. | |
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I have not had any issues with any of the recent firmwares.
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Vallejo, CA | Thanks, but, no thanks I still have a stock 3GS with a hacked carrier update that lets me tether, but the speeds are so slow using phone as a modem versus my air card that I'd rather keep my air card (since work pays for it anyway).
That said, AT&T can go fcuk themselves if they want to charge $.01 per month over the already asinine $30 a month data plan.
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kudos:2 | Re: Can you read between the lines I think this shows that AT&T is finally catching up with network upgrades and is now ready to monetize the option to tether on the iPone. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Can you read between the lines Everyone's viewpoint is biased by something. What's your point? | |
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