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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Get them ready.... Slingbox needs to have their lawyers warmed up and ready because if AT&T releases an app that does what Sling wanted to do and it is not crippled and banished to WiFi only they should have their day in court.
If this is true, then regardless of network speed, they are impeding technology because it will compete with them. | |
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Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC | Re: Get them ready.... Isn't it Apple and not AT&T who is responsible for app store approvals? | |
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join:2008-10-23
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join:2000-09-13
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| I'm pretty sure Apple couldn't care less as to how much bandwidth an application for the iPhone is going to use.
They want to sell devices, the more and better uses for an iPhone the more people will buy them.
I personally believe Apple would be against this 100% and are restricting it (just like skype) because the carrier wants it restricted. | |
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It's A Great Time Out
join:2001-06-05
Alviso, CA | Is that even legal? AT&T needs to upgrade the network! | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Wireless - so far, has been able to successfully ban many apps through their ToS.
I don't see people running BitTorrent over 3G, VoIP applications have been banned, even if they actually work.
Unlike landlines, there is a limit of capacity, and there is competition.
There's a few options:
1. Find a better carrier
2. Deal with it
3. Have companies like AT&T remove their walled garden approach (which will only lead to caps on handhelds)
If Sling created/allowed the App for the iPhone, then they know its going to be used on WiFi only. | |
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join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN | See Verizon isnt the only one And people say Verizon is the only one to cripples it phones. | |
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clubs: | Re: See Verizon isnt the only one IMo: all new phones exceed the cell networks in one way or other. Why they cripple them so much. | |
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00000 | $30? Echostar can eat dookie Why so much when the PC and Mac app is free? We already bought the hardware. The app should be free just like their PC and Mac clients are. Having more clients pays for itself in more hardware sales. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: $30? Echostar can eat dookie It's $30 because they know thousands of iPhone junkies will bend over and pay it... | |
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00000 | Re: $30? Echostar can eat dookie Well given they are bleeding video subscribers, it seems that Echostar management doesn't quite have a grip on what people expect. $30 for an single platform application on top of hardware is excessive and I will skip it. | |
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| said by Bit  :Why so much when the PC and Mac app is free? We already bought the hardware. The app should be free just like their PC and Mac clients are. Having more clients pays for itself in more hardware sales. It's the same price that the Windows Mobile app has always been.
I'm off to go watch my Slingbox on my Touch Pro while using the cellular network and not WiFi.
Add this to the many reasons on why I think the iphone sucks.
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Windows mobile wins again 1 WM users, 0 iPhone users.
And yet again we see that iPhone users are getting the shaft because someone up high believes you should use your device differently. Wake up Apple fan boys, if I bought a piece of electronic device and was told I can only use it in a certain way I would be pissed. All Apple fan boys are just sheep, following what Steve Jobs tells them they should buy and how to use it.
I am unsure if WM has a similar app (I am sure it does, at least with orb you can stream videos from your computer), the WM OS will NEVER have this restriction because Microsoft doesn't answer to the greedy cell phone providers. Microsoft makes the OS, which in turn hands it over to the manufacturers, which then turn to the provider and ask how it should be configured. There is NO way to prevent me from using certain applications on my WM phone to only use wifi (or similar restrictions). This restriction would have to be done on AT&T's network (or asked by AT&T to the software maker, which the software maker can just say "screw you, pay me $$$" and AT&T can't do anything about it), not on my device....which means if they start to do that then I can easily say "f(&# you AT&T" and goto another provider. The same principle also applies to the G1. You would think a higher priced phone like the iPhone would give users more freedom on how they would use their device. | |
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV | Re: Windows mobile wins again I use ORB www.orb.com to stream ALL my music/video and even cable TV to my phone (any device with a web browser). The software is free, runs on my HTPC with TV card, and my 20/month unlimited data on my Sprint phone covers it. | |
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join:2004-10-11 | A hack will appear for jailbroken iPhones any second now just like it did for Skype hehe AT&T and Robbers can suck it.
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  Re: Windows mobile wins again
said by adisor19 :A hack will appear for jailbroken iPhones any second now just like it did for Skype hehe AT&T and Robbers can suck it. I think there already is a hack, has been around the time when Skype came out for iPhone. Don't remember what the name of that app is, but I believe that what it does is fool the apps into thinking that phone is connected to WiFi when it really is not. So with that hack active anything that is not meant to work via cell network will, be it Skype, Sling Player or something else.
Those who choose to use the hack have to watch their data usage though, since once you go over that 5 GB cap, you are paying extra. Go over it a lot, and you will be the next individual to receive a ridiculously high cell phone bill.
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1 edit | Re: Windows mobile wins again said by patcat88 :With WM, you can compile and write your own apps for the OS, legally. Try that with the iPhone. Easy. »developer.apple.com/TOOLS/xcode/ And you can run your code on your phone without sending anything to Apple; you can "authorize" up to 100 iPhones in your app.
Next false statement?
EDIT: It cost you $299 to write a Windows Mobile app. It cost you $99 to write an iPhone app. iPhone development is one third the price of Windows Mobile. (See my post further down for details).
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2 edits | Re: Windows mobile wins again said by Ctrl Alt Del :said by patcat88 :With WM, you can compile and write your own apps for the OS, legally. Try that with the iPhone. Easy. » developer.apple.com/TOOLS/xcode/ And you can run your code on your phone without sending anything to Apple; you can "authorize" up to 100 iPhones in your app. Next false statement? "Up to 100"? Please clarify.
Windows Mobile's SDK is unlimited and royalty free (and obviously free). I don't think Apple's is, now is it!?
You even have to pay for the iPhone SDK
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Standard Program $99
For developers who are creating free and commercial applications for iPhone and iPod touch and want to distribute applications on the App Store.
Enterprise Program $299
For companies with 500 or more employees who are creating proprietary in-house applications for iPhone and iPod touch.
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1 edit | Re: Windows mobile wins again said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :"Up to 100"? Please clarify. Apple calls it Ad Hoc Distribution. Here's a post from last year describing it with an older version of the iPhone OS: »furbo.org/2008/08/06/beta-testin···hone-20/ I'm sure it's also somewhere in Apple's dev site, but I'm too lazy to look. But the basic idea is, you can write your code in Xcode, get the UUIDs of your target iPhones, add those to your project, and then distribute your app. You can do this for up to 100 iPhones. If you pay for the Enterprise program ($299) you can do In-house Distribution to an unlimited number of iPhones, and be able to centrally manage it.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :Windows Mobile's SDK is unlimited and royalty free (and obviously free). I don't think Apple's is, now is it!? You even have to pay for the iPhone SDK Xcode, Apple's IDE for writing Mac and iPhone apps, is completely free. The iPhone SDK requires the $99 developer account.
Visual Studio, Microsoft's IDE for writing Windows and WM apps, is not free. The Windows Mobile SDK is free. However, you cannot write a Windows Mobile app without paying for Visual Studio Standard or higher. Visual Studio Express, which is free, doesn't support writing WM apps. Look in the comments: »blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/···109.aspx
In fact, Visual Studio Standard is $299! That makes developing for the iPhone three times cheaper than Windows Mobile. Imagine that. »store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Vi···283DE6A2
So no, WM's SDK is not royalty free, nor is it free. You have to pay one way or the other regardless of iPhone or WM.
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again Assuming you have to pay for Visual Studio. I own several legally licensed copies.
MY COST to develop for WM is $0. With apple - you actually have to PAY to develop for the iPhone.
WM HAS NO SUCH RESTRICTIONS. WM'S SDK is absolutely free! The rest of the tools are not....There's a big difference there....
I also don't have to go through an apple approval process to distribute it to anyone. They can install it as they wish. Is it as easy as the app store? No....but certainly free. | |
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again That's nice that your cost to write for WM is $0. But you still had to pay $299 at some point for Visual Studio Standard (or more for Pro). If I were to have an iPhone Developer account, the cost for me to write for the iPhone would be $0 by your logic.
WM has lots of restrictions (similar to the iPhone).
Here's the requirements to write for WM:
1) You need a Windows computer running Windows XP SP2 or higher.
2) You need Visual Studio Standard or higher. $299
Guess what the iPhone requirements are:
1) You need a Mac running OS X 10.5 or higher.
2) You need an iPhone Developer account. $99
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again Again...your comparing apples and oranges.
By your logic then I would also need a Mac so now my cost goes to $699 (assuming base mini at $599). Or should I tack on another $200 for KB and mouse?
As previously stated and explained:
The cost to develop for a windows mobile phone is $0.
Apples costs are a minimum of $99. Again - the cost to actually DEVELOP for WM is $0. The cost to develop for the iPhone is $99.
Are you clear on the point I'm making? You could come back and tell me that windows is $150 or whatever and then you need to add that to a mac to develop for WM. That is NOT what I am talking about.
When I needed to make a simple countdown timer for my phone it cost me $0 because I had the tools. Assuming I had an iPhone, xCode and a mac then the cost would still be $100.
I am explaining that with all prerequisites met here - again - the cost to develop for the iPhone is $100. The cost to develop for WM is $0.
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again said by fcisler :Or should I tack on another $200 for KB and mouse? The Mac mini accepts standard USB keyboards and mice (even those with 5 buttons and two scroll wheels!) so putting aside $200 for a keyboard and mouse is stupid.
said by fcisler :As previously stated and explained: The cost to develop for a windows mobile phone is $0. Again - the cost to actually DEVELOP for WM is $0. The cost to develop for the iPhone is $99. Again, that is wrong. The cost for you to write for WM is $0 because you already paid $299 for Visual Studio. End of discussion. That is significantly different than saying the cost for anyone to write for WM is $0.
said by fcisler :When I needed to make a simple countdown timer for my phone it cost me $0 because I had the tools. Assuming I had an iPhone, xCode and a mac then the cost would still be $100. You continue to write off a requirement of writing for WM.
If I wanted to write for WM, I would need to buy Visual Studio at $299. If I wanted to write for iPhone, I would need to buy an iPhone Dev account at $99. In my case, the iPhone is three times cheaper. But I don't think either of us care how many requirements we've met to write for either platform.
Or, I could get an Android phone, pay $0, and write my code on just about any platform.
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join:2005-03-19
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| said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :All Apple fan boys are just sheep, following what Steve Jobs tells them they should buy and how to use it. Um, isn't AT&T the one dictating the use of 3G on their network, and not Apple?
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join:2005-03-19
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again said by Ctrl Alt Del :said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :All Apple fan boys are just sheep, following what Steve Jobs tells them they should buy and how to use it. Um, isn't AT&T the one dictating the use of 3G on their network, and not Apple? This is Apple's device. Apple is just bending over and doing AT&T's will. You don't see Windows Mobile users seeing restrictions like this do you? | |
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| Re: Windows mobile wins again said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :This is Apple's device. Apple is just bending over and doing AT&T's will. And Apple's device runs on AT&T's network. I'm sure AT&T gets to have their say of what flies, just like how most other cell phone makers are told what to do with their phones. Like Verizon crippling Bluetooth on their phones.
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :You don't see Windows Mobile users seeing restrictions like this do you? Nope, nor any of the other platforms that Sling supports. But the iPhone is the only platform that is tied to a single carrier, kinda makes it easy to restrict things.
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join:2000-10-11
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| Expensive! I'd heard the rumors that ATT & Apple were going to shelve this until the next iPhone hardware rev so this is a nice surprise, but $30 is a little steep.
I figured it would be locked to WiFi only in any case as ATT's network seems to have enough trouble with streaming audio (in my locale).
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Cheers
join:2008-02-10
Peterborough, ON | what about other carriers? I am just upset about this beacuse what about Canadian Users.. what if Rogers doesn't mind this app being on their network why does ATT get to pull all the god damn strings?
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Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL | Re: what about other carriers? Because Canada doesn't exist to AT&T. Duh...  | |
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visuelz
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Brooklyn, NY | Anti mobile sling Who would want to pay 30 dollars to use a program that drains their battery life? Slingplayer is free for desktops. | |
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Here come the drums
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join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
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| RE Actually I agree with it being WI-FI only. I can see some asshole trying to do something with the SlingBox over the regular app, over the 3G network or roaming, and then when the bill arrives for how many thousands of dollars, them calling outraged. Probably better this way, besides, we don't need everyone with an iPhone doing Bittorent, VOIP, or Slingbox on the network anyway. The iPhone is the reason the network does not perform already. You will see the same issue when the Verizon version gets on Verizon's network. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: RE true but it's a bad excuse since a company should be able to handle all that load. | |
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join:2002-08-03
Saint Paul, MN | re Would you really want to use this over 3g anyways considering caps wouldn't you reach the cap pretty quick. | |
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I used the app when I had my blackjack. Never had any real bandwidth issues and it work pretty good.
I definitely had been waiting for this app since day one. I will definitely not be paying for it now. Especially since other phones are able to use it.
Oh well, sling you will lose on this. What sling should do is open up there website player so the iPhone can use it. But I guess that will never happen when they can charge $30 for a dis functional piece of software
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Pirate515
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| Re: resaid by kfsutops :What Sling should do is open up their website player so the iPhone can use it. I think that the only way this would work is if iPhone was to support Flash, which right now it does not. I believe that Flash is what most of these video sites use. Unfortunately, the only Flash video site that works with iPhone as of today is YouTube; however, it works via a proprietary player on iPhone that converts videos to H264 format that iPhone does support. As far as other sites, good luck getting them to work on iPhone as is. Oh, and by the way, the upcoming iPhone Software 3.0 still will not support Flash.
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Davenport, FL | Re: re if Flash doesn't work on the iPhone, then how the *expletive* do they get Youtube to work? You need flash in order to be able to load anything on their site. | |
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| It won't matter.... Despite all the whining, people will gobble this app up. It sucks, but the cell networks can do whatever they want with their networks and the hardware that runs on them because consumers will continue to do business with them. That's all there is to it.
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I'Ll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
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| Re: It won't matter.... said by gopnick :90% of consumers aren't educated enough to know (or care) about things like hard caps, overage charges over 5GB and prohibited streaming services. That's how AT&T and Verizon get away with the crap they pull. Amen Brother. Most people have problems remembering if they payed the cable bill. Let alone if they've gone over that puny minuscule soft cap that VZ and ATT have. As has been shown on here when people think they can use the service for something useful. They get B1(th slapped by the carriers and wonder why. | |
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| said by gopnick :Despite all the whining, people will gobble this app up. It sucks, but the cell networks can do whatever they want with their networks and the hardware that runs on them because consumers will continue to do business with them. That's all there is to it. 90% of consumers aren't educated enough to know (or care) about things like hard caps, overage charges over 5GB and prohibited streaming services. That's how AT&T and Verizon get away with the crap they pull. I don't know about them gobbling it up. I find it interesting that there is not ONE review so far for the app on the the app store.
Apple is probably censuring the reviews though. No matter how Apple, AT&T, or Sling play it, the sling people ultimately will not keep quiet. They have to remember that it's the tech crowd that owns slingboxes in the first place. They are the one that will keep this going on the internet.
This won't go away.
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| Re: Disappointed in Apple.. said by ptrowski :said by Rob :I'm disappointed in Apple's decision to go with AT&T as the iPhone provider. Each day it just seems clear that AT&T is not capable of providing true service that the iPhone and iPhone users deserve. Obvioulsy you missed the recent article that almost ALL 3g networks are hindering phones, not just AT&T. Which has nothing to do with my post. I made no mention of the 3G network. | |
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1 edit | America's Fastest 3G Network is America's Shitiest Network Once again, AT&T fails to deliver. So America's Fastest 3G Network is America's Shitiest Network?
I know everyone loves to break Sprint's balls but when it comes to data usage, I've never had an issue with Sprint. I started tethering back in 03. Used to connect my laptop to my phone and get connected at x1 or whatever it's called. Now a day, I use Sling Player on my PocketPC, run WMWifiRouter every time I'm away from home which saves me the $12.95 that most hotels charge for Internet usage. To make a long story short; Apple better get their shit together and figure out if ATT is the best option for consumers.
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