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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Finally No kidding. And way late. Amazon, eMusic and 7digital (among others) had been doing this for quite awhile now.
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: Finally said by RadioDoc:No kidding. And way late. Amazon, eMusic and 7digital (among others) had been doing this for quite awhile now. And the DRM-free part wasn't Apple's fault. Besides Apple's iTunes Store is still the single largest music sales force in the market PERIOD. | |
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Hilliard, OH | the 256kbs bitrate is exciting too. I could never imagine paying $1 for a DRM'd 128kbps song. I would think if you want people to pay for something when the competition is "free" then you better at least make sure the product is just as good. This is good. | |
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2 edits | Re: Finally What they charge for a song is what I pay for an album... One song? 18¢... DRM free and high variable bitrate.
»www.mp3count.com
One song? 18¢... DRM free and high variable bitrate.
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kudos:2 | It was already legal, but I'm sure you knew that. | |
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| | | | Re: Finally I think the point is, before the options were reasonable OR legal, now we have something that is both reasonable AND legal.
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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1 edit | Considering most of the music I like is old and unpopular, I expect to be paying less for more.
All I've got to say is if teenage girls start listening to Steely Dan and Oingo Boingo, I may have to get Medieval on someone quick....
Edit to add "I like"
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1 edit | Re: Finally quote:
Considering most of the music is old and unpopular, I expect to be paying less for more.
What you consider unpopular more then likely is someone else's favorite music.
I listen to Classical & Symphonic music and have always paid dirt cheap prices only because others deem it unpopular.
IMO the price across the board should be a fixed rate of say .50¢ per song.
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| | |  OlegBellsouth FastaccessPremium
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| | |  BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by Grail Knight: quote:
Considering most of the music is old and unpopular, I expect to be paying less for more.
What you consider unpopular more then likely is someone else's favorite music. I listen to Classical & Symphonic music and have always paid dirt cheap prices only because others deem it unpopular. IMO the price across the board should be a fixed rate of say .50¢ per song. Edit* Really 69 cents is not that much. Hell 30 years ago I was paying $1 for a 45 single. That's about $2.50 in today money. | |
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1 edit | Re: Finally As I said across the board as in one set price.
Not .39 here and a buck and change there.
I really do not care if it is a dime or a buck something per song just level the playing field IMO.
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| | | | | | | Re: Finally I agree, 50 cents across the board for 256k mp3 is a fair price, considering it doesn't cost them anything since it is a "copy" and not a resource. Also this will attract more customers and spur demand. | |
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| | | said by jjoshua:Something reasonable. And legal. Agreed | |
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kudos:2 | Hahahaha....like that will make a difference. | |
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| OlegBellsouth FastaccessPremium
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Question is now will they begin inching up the pricing. To me even $1.29 seems pretty high for an .mp3 | |
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Warner Robins, GA | Re: Finally Now that Apple has agreed to this pricing scheme expect it to become the norm in all of the online music stores in the near future. | |
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| | | said by jjoshua:Something reasonable. And legal. $1.29 for a lossy format audio file is unreasonable. | |
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| | | | Re: Finally Interesting theory. I wonder how people justified buying records and cassette tapes. | |
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| | | | | Re: Finally said by insomniac84:Interesting theory. I wonder how people justified buying records and cassette tapes. Are you proprosing that we actually regress when it comes to audio technology? That's absurd.
The technology for lossless audio is readily available and has been for many years. It is unacceptable for it to not be used. | |
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Dracut, MA | Re: Finally Think the point was that at the time when cassettes were king that people said "hmmm $x.xx is reasonable for this format" when they could also borrow tape and dub from a friend. I don't think his point was lets go back to a format that doesn't make sense due to technology advances. | |
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kudos:1 | said by 45612019:said by jjoshua:Something reasonable. And legal. $1.29 for a lossy format audio file is unreasonable. I have 256k MP3 files and can't hear the difference between them and an uncompressed WAV. 128k is another story altogether though. | |
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kudos:1 | How much.... Does it cost to buy Itunes? Since the whole store is for sale, i'll buy it and jack up the prices! MUAHAHAHAHAH | |
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| | | Re: How much.... That'll be second most expensive AT&T iPhone bill we've ever seen. | |
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| | For those that have iTunes DRM songs already... Anyone know if iTunes will allow for a download of the drm free songs for free or for a small fee for those that have already purchased drm songs? | |
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| Re: For those that have iTunes DRM songs already... The fee used to be 29 cents per song, but may have gone away or changed to a lower amount by now.
By the way, I'm predicting that AmazonMP3 &c will drop their prices for some songs to match iTunes' 69-cent collection.
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kudos:2 | said by apollo80:Anyone know if iTunes will allow for a download of the drm free songs for free or for a small fee for those that have already purchased drm songs? They are charging like 30 cents per song to "upgrade" to the DRM free version. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: For those that have iTunes DRM songs already... said by Jehu:said by apollo80:Anyone know if iTunes will allow for a download of the drm free songs for free or for a small fee for those that have already purchased drm songs? They are charging like 30 cents per song to "upgrade" to the DRM free version. Thats how it should have been IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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New York, NY | said by apollo80:Anyone know if iTunes will allow for a download of the drm free songs for free or for a small fee for those that have already purchased drm songs? quote:
iTunes offers customers a simple, one-click option to easily upgrade their entire library of previously purchased songs to the higher quality DRM-free iTunes Plus format for just 30 cents per song or 30 percent of the album price.
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|  NPGMBR
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Jamestown, NC
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1 edit |  $1.29 iTunes Plus?
They've been offering iTunes Plus songs with no DRM at $1.29 for a year or so ... was that limited to certain songs and now this new pricing scheme has been pushed to all songs?
It would have helped if I had read the article first. | |
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1 edit |  They will adopt the RIAA's backwards economics pricing plan.
Since there is in essence an unlimited supply. Basic economics would dictate that popular music costs less because they will make up the differece in volume.
Less popular, obscure, and old tracks should cost more because people are willing to pay more for hard to find and rare tracks. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Is this viable? Apple also announced that iPhone users can now preview and purchase the entire iTunes Store via the 3G network, something previously restricted to Wi-Fi How many users purchased the entire iTunes Store via Wi-Fi? Did they have it on sale, say for $5 million? | |
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kudos:2 | Nice This makes the service worth paying for finally. | |
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Haverstraw, NY | It's all about the Beatles At least the Beatles had some balls and held off until those no-good money grubbing shysters over at Apple dropped the DRM and one price nonesense.
The Fab Four do it again!
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Laguna Hills, CA | Which means anything good is a 30% increase No thanks. | |
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| | $1.29 Bahaha! 0.99 per song was somewhat reasonable, but to simply not have DRM and pay 1.29 is a bit steep. | |
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So the question is: isn't the .m4a format that they will be subsequently selling, lossless? | |
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| | | | Re: $1.29 No. m4a is the extension for files in the MP4 container format, regardless of the type of compression used. m4p is an MP4 container which is managed by the FairPlay DRM. An m4a *can* contain Apple Lossless format audio, but the files sold by iTunes are AAC, not Apple Lossless. | |
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| | Count ZeroMD2BePremium
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Warner Robins, GA | That's just a container file - it can contain MP4 or Apple Lossless audio streams. | |
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Bahaha! $0.99 per song was somewhat reasonable, but to simply not have DRM and pay $1.29 is a bit steep. I agree. But this time around, the record labels are the ones setting the price, so if they do not get much sales from these $1.29 tracks, hopefully they'll take a hint and lower the price to 99 or 69 cents.
The shame is that Apple will be losing out if the same track that will be selling on iTunes for $1.29 will be selling for $0.99 or less on AmazonMP3, Napster and the likes.
I also wish that now that Apple has dumped DRM, they just go MP3 as the rest of the DRM-free sites do. That way they can sell music to much wider audience and not just iPod/iPhone users.
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join:2005-01-03 | Re: $1.29 said by Pirate515:The shame is that Apple will be losing out if the same track that will be selling on iTunes for $1.29 will be selling for $0.99 or less on AmazonMP3, Napster and the likes. Apple is famous for selling similar products for twice the price, i.e. phones, digital media players, and computers. Apparently they don't think they're losing out, as it's kept them in business (prosperously) for quite some time.
Right now, I can build a $500 pc that will run Leopard, but a similar system from Apple would cost $1,000. I can get a Creative Zen for $100, but a similar iPod would cost $200. This is the way Apple has always done business, because they put so much hype into their products that people think the price is worth it (I'm NOT saying it is or it isn't, I'm just saying that's what they do). Why should they model their music business any different? They won't be losing out, because people will still buy from them just the same as they always have. If anything, they'll make more money than other, cheaper stores. | |
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I'm still waiting for my dream internet record shop that I've wanted for a decade or longer. I want to buy a record online, have it drop shipped to my house and have the tracks be immediately available for download and/or streaming. I guess I'm not part the "new" generation of single-loving hipsters, but surely there a lot of people that want to consume and collect music as art or as fans of their favorite artists. When I buy a record, part of the joy is listening through it and reading the liner notes, etc. That hasn't changed since I started buying tapes then CDs, then digital. Only thing with digital is I'm stuck reading the laptop or desktop instead of a 2oz paper booklet that's more easy to relax with. | |
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join:2007-08-09
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Cleveland, OH | Re: A rip off if you already have "Fairplay" DRM protected songs said by dougau:Upgrade for 30 cents per song or 30% of the album purchase price, what a crock of shit! Yes it is its like buying a Car(Somewhat)And then them telling you the keys are 30% more.IMHO you already payed for it why do you need to pay them to take the DRM off.Even if they make em 256bit its still a rip-off...IMHO
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Sorry, to ask, but I haven't bought/DL'd any itunes for a couple of years. (Just ripping my CD-collection into the itunes app. | |
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Hollywood, FL | Really what it does is open up the options for those folks who want to have a good digital music system in the home.
Now iTunes DRM won't be as much a limiting factor to whether you pick say a Sonos unit vs AppleTV or whatever. I don't have to think about burning iTunes tracks to CD and then ripping again to get DRM-free or trying to strip the DRM.
Sure you could have bought the tunes in other ways but that's not really the point of the discussion.
Frankly I am shocked the industry might actually be getting some bit of a clue. Will it stop piracy? Doubt it. Will it make customers happier? I think so.
I'm not overly thrilled with dropping the $40 to upgrade what I've bought, but I suspect I'll end up doing it at some point.
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1 edit | Now I should be able to find most of the songs I need. It always seems that if Amazon doesn't have what I am looking for, iTunes does, and vice-versa.
I am interested to know what I do with these songs that I have that are already DRMed, though.
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| GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
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Hollywood, FL | Re: Good. said by ohdan:I am interested to know what I do with these songs that I have that are already DRMed, though. Launch iTunes and go into the store it's supposed to seek & find what you have that can have the DRM removed. They give you a price to make that happen.
Supposedly come Q2 the whole catalog will be DRM-free so you're likely to go through the payment process again if what you have isn't all covered in the first run.
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| Re: Good. It looks like I had to "upgrade" to iTunes Plus? Well, it searched my library, but I didn't have to pay anything additional - though most of my library is from my CD collection anyway.
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| | | GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium
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Hollywood, FL | Re: Good. Yep I guess it depends on what all you have.
We've got around 330 purchased tracks of the 3500 in the library. All the others are CD rips so no biggie there. They want $39 to upgrade what will upgrade today...not sure if I'll bother yet. | |
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Oh and $1.29 for new, popular music will in no way compete with piracy, when if it is that popular and can easily be found in all the usual places.
Still, I suppose they will get some who will buy from there.
I do download from Usenet and torrents a lot, but I've also gotten music from Amazon MP3 that I could not find for free.
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1 edit | From movie and TV clips, hard to find and seldom heard music, songs put to home made videos, and groovy platters and stacks of wax spinning endlessly, it's on You Tube. If there was a way to easily download those tunes, they could be burned to CD and DVD.
But, what about just downloading music from You Tube, Brian's Doowop Fix, Michelle's Rockin' Oldies, Night Hawk Music, Patchy's, Mike's Oldies, Rose-Mar International, The Hound, and many other similar sites- simply to listen to songs offline that you couldn't listen to otherwise? Such as- »www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTuNO9DjjqM
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