 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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n2jtx
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2010-Jul-22 9:22 am
NicknameMy sister lives in Mississauga and they have Rogers. They don't call it "Robbers" for nothing. It is a nickname well earned. I am very glad I do not have to deal with a Canadian ISP. I would lose it. |
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 SlickEnW
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join:2003-01-21
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SlickEnW
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2010-Jul-22 9:30 am
Caps like thiswill fuel development of incredibly efficient codecs that will make the size of deliverables relatively trivial. In the meantime, Netflix's Chief Product Officer Neil Hunt , poor guy, thinks that bandwidth will increase in the future which will allow his firm to deliver pristine quality goods over residential pipes. quote:
Today we have rights to deliver about 400 streams in HD (720p). More titles will be added over time. We experimented with first-generation WMV3 encodes at 4000kbps and 5500kbps, but settled on second-generation HD encodes with VC1AP at 2600kbps and 3800kbps, which extends their accessibility down to lower home broadband connections. As with SD, encodes of film material are at 24fps, and encodes of shot-to-video material are at 30fps (or 25fps for PAL), rather than the 60fps that would come from a Blu-ray disc - we judged the 60fps content as too expensive of bandwidth for now. In general, these encodes are definitively better than SD, but won't challenge well-executed Blu-ray encodes - that would require a bitrate out of reach for most domestic broadband today. We believe Moore's law will drive home broadband higher and higher enabling full 1080p60 encodes in a few years.
» blog.netflix.com/2008/11 ··· ing.htmlYeah, maybe one or two movies a year, if you do it in little monthly chunks. |
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Excellent !Following the quest of companies to "enhance customers experience" this is an excellent step. Being raped by such practices is certainly an "experience".
Things have to get worse in order for people to blow up and kick the asses of these greedy companies.
Now, let's wait for the shills coming to the defense of these practices and the moderators coming in the defense of the shills with the lame ass "blatant flaming" or "off-topic" or, my favourite, "complaints about moderation not allowed". |
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 winsyrstrifeRiver City Bounce
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join:2002-04-30
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Unbelievable...Rogers, seeing that regulators are completely flaccid and lax, have taken the ball and are running with it.
What's to stop them from dropping Lite users to 10GB? |
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Like I said in the forum..Hell will freeze over and Ted Rogers (deceased company founder) will come back to life as a robot before we see high caps and 75 Mbps. |
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Re: Unbelievable...Nothing. |
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 TechyDad
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join:2001-07-13
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to SlickEnW
Re: Caps like thisCodecs can get more efficient, but there's a limit to what they can achieve. Meanwhile, bandwidth is cheap. These ISPs who are capping low and overcharging are 1) abusing monopoly positions and 2) trying to create artificial scarcity.
At the best case of 2600kbps, you'd be able to watch almost 13.5 hours of Netflix streaming content per month if you were a Rogers Lite user and nearly 71.7 hours of Netflix streaming content if you were an Extreme user.
This might sound like a lot, but that's without any other network activity. Plus, even absent any other network activity, that's only 2 hours per day on the Extreme plan or 27 minutes per day on the Lite plan. |
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Re: Unbelievable...And ultra-lite users ($27.99 tier) get 2GB a month!
Strange, I didn't see on their site that that would only net you 3 SD quality movies per month. |
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 R4M0NBrazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA |
R4M0N
Member
2010-Jul-22 9:58 am
Wow...Man.... Those caps are downright hilarious... Well, for those of us who don't have Rogers.  Why do people put up with that? It seems that market is prime ground for a crafty entrepreneur to come in and offer a better product. It's not like the bar has been set high at all, so pretty much a fart would put you ahead of Rogers. |
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 RexterLibertas, Aequitas, Veritas
join:2002-11-17
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2010-Jul-22 10:01 am
Squashing competition.I don't claim to know, because its Canada, and I simply don't care, but I suspect that governmental interference is keeping the competition out.
That's just how it usually works. |
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Rogers also wants way more then bell for the TV setup boxesRogers also wants way more then bell and others for the TV setup boxes.
$500 for HD DVR 20/h boxes? $250 for HD only boxes? |
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Mr Matt
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2010-Jul-22 10:07 am
Canadian laws protecting companies worse than US.  Canadian laws written for big business. Unless the law in Canada has changed an employee of a company cannot leave an employer and open a competitive business for one year after they leave. The founders of Mitel a Canadian Company that manufactures telephone systems, manufactured lawn mowers for at least a year after the company opened. They then began offering PABX Systems. |
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 TSI GabeRouter of Packets
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join:2007-01-03
Gatineau, QC |
TSI Gabe
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2010-Jul-22 10:15 am
640kIs more than anybody will ever need. |
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Gami00
join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON |
Gami00
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2010-Jul-22 10:22 am
is that Dollars? a year?
I'll agree with the above. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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to R4M0N
Re: Wow...said by R4M0N:It seems that market is prime ground for a crafty entrepreneur to come in and offer a better product. It's not like the bar has been set high at all, so pretty much a fart would put you ahead of Rogers. Canada has foreign ownership restrictions. As such, all investment would most likely have to come from inside Canada unless said investors were willing to take a minority stake and have no control. I have no desire to put money into an operation where I have no say. |
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 jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL |
jester121
Premium Member
2010-Jul-22 10:26 am
Not surprising...While I agree that those caps are pretty ridiculous, it's not a mystery why they're making their economy and super-economy tiers seem less attractive. Households who use their internet very heavily can't cheap out and get the $30 (or whatever the cheap tier is) for "just a little slower, yet unlimited" access.
If ISPs are determined to go down this cap road, at the very least they should be scaling the caps to reward people who are willing to pay a premium for more Mbps to support their heavy use. |
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mr weather
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join:2002-02-27
Mississauga, ON |
Regulators are limpCanada has two bureaucracies to deal with when it come to telecommunications: Industry Canada (IC) who handles the technical aspects and the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) who handles things like broadcast licences, telephone issues, Canadian Content enforcement and so on. Problem is, IC doesn't give a shit about what's going on with the incumbant ISP's and CRTC is packed with ex-industry types who are still beholden to their former employers.
The end result is a spineless, impotent regulator who cares more about appeasing the big telcos than looking out for the interests of Canadians. Robbers/Bellus gets to do pretty much what it wants and we subscribers take it up the pooper. |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT |
Simba7
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2010-Jul-22 10:57 am
Rogers getting their cap ideas from.. at&t?2GB a month is all we'll ever need.. If people go over, we'll (over)charge them to the point of bankruptcy.
Sound familiar? |
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Re: Nicknamesaid by n2jtx:My sister lives in Mississauga and they have Rogers. They don't call it "Robbers" for nothing. It is a nickname well earned. I am very glad I do not have to deal with a Canadian ISP. I would lose it. If I were to move up there, TekSavvy or a similar ISP will be reciving a phone call from me. |
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2010-Jul-22 10:58 am
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Re: Wow...Nobody has the kind of money and political pull it would take for any kind of new wide scale last-mile run in most Canadian markets. |
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Re: Rogers also wants way more then bell for the TV setup boxessaid by Joe12345678:Rogers also wants way more then bell and others for the TV setup boxes. $500 for HD DVR 20/h boxes? $250 for HD only boxes? Other than for IPTV service, Bell's prices for their boxes are in line with that. Rogers ones also routinely go on sale, Bell's rarely do (other than new customer service credit being advertised as a discount on the box). Shaw Direct is also in the same price area. Can't speak for non-Rogers cable companies though. |
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 Al3sinthTrippin'
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to R4M0N
Re: Wow...wow 15gb cap.. I hit that in about an hour. |
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Re: Regulators are limpIt's the CRTC's fault that we're now having to pay premiums for overages on the CAP system. If we didn't bitch about the bandwidth throttling and allowed Rogers/Bell to manage the network for us then we wouldn't have a problem.
The bottom line is that the network can only handle so much traffic ...if the CRTC is telling IPS's that they have to prove that they need to throttle & publish how they are doing it if at all then we're going to get an open network that is best efforts with heavy premiums for abusing it. |
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Gami00
join:2010-03-11
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Re: Rogers getting their cap ideas from.. at&t?they are partnered with AT&T to provide wireless when rogers' users are in the states. |
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stolen
join:2004-04-12
Calgary, AB |
stolen
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2010-Jul-22 11:19 am
Rogers != CanadaJust because Rogers is lowering their caps, doesn't mean it's Canadian ISP's. It's a single ISP of many up here. Shaw just *increased* their cap: » Re: Wish Shaw would increase their High-Speed Lite monthly limitAnd hasn't charged overages (yet) that I've heard (and is supported in this recent thread: » Cost per Gigabyte? ) There are quite a few smaller ISP's that also either have an "unlimited" tier or don't have tiers. (Teksavvy for example) |
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Re: Wow...said by Al3sinth:wow 15gb cap.. I hit that in about an hour. How much porn can you view |
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zod5000
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2010-Jul-22 11:30 am
Maybe the CRTC should regulate caps.I think it would be fair to set caps at a min of running the connection flat out 25% of the time.
Most caps now, with the higher speeds, can be hit within a day or two if you try hard enough.
With the cost of laying down ones own cable impeding real competition, the CRTC is needed to artificially foster competition in Canada. Unfortunately the government appointed people that used to work for these companies and protect them instead of doing whats best for Canadians |
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Re: Unbelievable...Funny how the same exact thing can stop ISPs in the states from setting low caps. |
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 PashuneCaps stifle innovation
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Pashune
Premium Member
2010-Jul-22 11:32 am
Disgusting.That's what these new caps are. The previous ones were just bland... but these just make me sick to my stomach. Excuse me while I hug my CableOne bill.  Dear God, I feel sorry for you guys on Robber's. Here's hoping Teksavvy becomes more and more available to Robber's customers. |
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Re: Wow...said by dforan:said by Al3sinth:wow 15gb cap.. I hit that in about an hour. How much porn can you view The real question is how much porn CAN'T you view in an hour!  . |
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Canadian laws written for big business. Unless the law in Canada has changed an employee of a company cannot leave an employer and open a competitive business for one year after they leave. The founders of Mitel a Canadian Company that manufactures telephone systems, manufactured lawn mowers for at least a year after the company opened. They then began offering PABX Systems.
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