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still have to hack it to get out of $10K per gig roaming feestill have to hack it to get out of $10K+ per gig roaming fees.
For useing it of side of the US. |
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Support AWSNow that would be a very nice addition. |
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iPhone 5 won't be LTEI can say with certainty the iPhone 5 won't use LTE.
The Thunderbolt, Droid Charge, and every other LTE phone coming uses a secondary chipset for that 4G. That's why you're only seeing these gigantic phones with big battery packs -- they need the space and the battery life. Wouldn't fit in an iPhone, especially not when you need a dual-mode chipset.
Besides, LTE coverage is just over a third of the population in the US right now and doesn't really exist elsewhere. What's the point of having a chipset the vast majority of your users wouldn't appreciate until a couple of years later? |
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Why the iPhone 5 won't have Verizon 4G (Q&A) » news.cnet.com/8301-13924 ··· 1_3-0-20 |
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said by Commodus:Besides, LTE coverage is just over a third of the population in the US right now and doesn't really exist elsewhere. What's the point of having a chipset the vast majority of your users wouldn't appreciate until a couple of years later?
More accurately, since this is Apple: why sell a device with a forward-looking feature set when we can sell them a whole new device every 12 months? |
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Re: Support AWSProbably won't happen until the T-Mobile acquisition by AT&T is complete. |
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEApple's standard, time-tested, marketing strategy is part of it, but I truly believe that Apple won't be forcing LTE into the 2011 iPhone because the technology isn't ready. Whether is be the availability of the network, or the radio technology for the handset itself. I honestly don't understand why the "LTE iPhone 5" rumor continues to be perpetuated. |
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Our Verizon rep tells us the same thing, 3G only. Who knows the motivation -- it's Apple, and it's not really your phone anyhow.  |
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said by openbox9:I honestly don't understand why the "LTE iPhone 5" rumor continues to be perpetuated. BBR is one of the culprits, none of their linked stories even mention LTE the stores just talk about combined CDMA and GSM » osxdaily.com/2011/04/21/ ··· d-phone/ |
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I have a DX, and it is my phone. I have an iPod Touch that's mine too  , although I rarely use it anymore. Rumors make money, so I imagine that to be the motivation. I don't understand the lack of refutation from some of the media pundits though  |
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Only Makes SinceIt does not make any business since for Apple to make two different iPhones for GSM, and CDMA when dual chipsets have been out for years. This is the one thing that will tip the edge for me with the iPhone. It is only a matter of time before the iPhones will be available from all wireless providers. I look at outfits like China Vision that sell smart phones for the world market that work not only with GSM but CDMA, that can be switched between Android, Windows Mobile 7, carry dual SIM slots, and work on 4 bands. A dual SIM iPhone would be sweet. able to work with any carrier. If that ever happens it will be fun to watch the scramble for iPhone customers. |
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEMaybe if/when BBR gains some additional content providers then it'll have a different flavor for rumor promulgation. Until then, those that only read the headlines here often miss out on several aspects of stories. |
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I am so surprised that carl keeps posting that the next iphone will be LTE. If you know ANYTHING about apple it is that the look of their product is far far far far far, more important than features.
Guess why you have to deal with a microsim? cause it would have possibly made the phone a half millimeter thicker. Guess why you don't have a removable battery? Cause battery doors also increase thickness and tend to look less streamlined.
The current LTE radio's will not fit into apples form requirements for their devices. They are too bulky and require too much battery power (larger battery space). 6 months, maybe a year, with a new iteration or two of LTE and Apple will probably jump. Also, keep in mind that the only large scale LTE deployment in the whole world is Verizon's.
Here's what is almost certainly the reality. The next iphone will be one device (not separate like current att/vzw). It will be hspa+ (4G) and cdma/evdo. It will have a dual core processor, faster gpu, more storage capacity and a handful of software features. |
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said by openbox9:Apple's standard, time-tested, marketing strategy is part of it, but I truly believe that Apple won't be forcing LTE into the 2011 iPhone because the technology isn't ready. Whether is be the availability of the network, or the radio technology for the handset itself. I honestly don't understand why the "LTE iPhone 5" rumor continues to be perpetuated.
Their loss. Verizon is going to have an amazing line up of LTE phones running android. Verizon already said they're going to cover 185m people by the end of 2011. That isn't enough coverage? Technology isn't ready? What makes you say that? It's working fine on the HTC thunderbolt and Samsung Charge and LTE modems. The battery life is a problem, but you can easily toggle 4g on/off with a widget. |
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said by Alcohol:Their loss. Verizon is going to have an amazing line up of LTE phones running android. And when an LTE capable iPhone arrives, it will sell hand-over-fist...regardless of any success of Android devices. There is enough space for multiple players said by Alcohol:Technology isn't ready? What makes you say that? It's working fine on the HTC thunderbolt and Samsung Charge and LTE modems. I love my non-LTE Droid X, but compare the battery life of any Android mobile device (3G or 4G) to that of an iPhone. You mention battery life, but that's the kind of stuff I'm discussing, and the kind of stuff that I'm betting Apple isn't willing to comprise on...at least to the level that Android device manufacturers are. |
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We need to talk...Fran,
We need to talk.
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEI wouldn't consider size and battery life of the phone as part of the look of the phone, but more as very important features themselves. |
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2011-Apr-22 1:20 pm
Legal issues, no big switchHave the legal issues with the C block been figured out with the iPhone yet? From what I understand, there is still a distinct possibility that an LTE iPhone is impossible because of the open access clause for C block.
Also, there is no big switchover, or war. They are scrambling at the margins. Most people are on family plans, are on their carrier, and are locked in. The big deal with the Verizon iPhone is that people who were locked in and couldn't switch to AT&T because of it could get the Jesus phone, and the iPhone still isn't a big deal on Verizon because Verizon still heavily favors DROID, while AT&T heavily favors the iPhone. |
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEsaid by openbox9:said by Alcohol:Their loss. Verizon is going to have an amazing line up of LTE phones running android. And when an LTE capable iPhone arrives, it will sell hand-over-fist...regardless of any success of Android devices. There is enough space for multiple players said by Alcohol:Technology isn't ready? What makes you say that? It's working fine on the HTC thunderbolt and Samsung Charge and LTE modems. I love my non-LTE Droid X, but compare the battery life of any Android mobile device (3G or 4G) to that of an iPhone. You mention battery life, but that's the kind of stuff I'm discussing, and the kind of stuff that I'm betting Apple isn't willing to comprise on...at least to the level that Android device manufacturers are. I disagree. The battery life on some android devices are on par if not greater than iphone. The samsung galaxy s 4g for tmobile gets about 2 full days of moderate use. To be fair the battery is 1650 mAh instead of the 1450 mAh on i4. The battery life isn't a problem if apple stops its obsession with thin and lightweight devices. I'm sure a lot of people will compromise on those if they were given the choice of a bigger battery with LTE. There is a 2750 mAh extended battery for thunderbolt. I've seen reports of people getting 3 full days of heavy usage out of it (with LTE on). |
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2011-Apr-22 2:09 pm
Two days? Are they only making phone calls? |
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As opposed to Motorola, HTC and Samsung selling one every 6 months and YOU have a 24 month CONtract??? Please, I like to hate Apple (and others) equally. But Apple is being smart- LTE isn't everywhere nor even in EU markets...so until then why sell an unused feature that isn't full scale till 2015 ? And LTE will suck battery like...Adobe security-lax Flash!  |
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Re: Legal issues, no big switchApple has already stated that they are working on an LTE iPhone. However, I do believe that the iPhone 5 won't be LTE. |
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEI haven't seen, read, or experienced Android battery life much beyond 24 hours with any usage more than "moderate". I guess mileage varies. Personally, if I could get two days of battery life out of my DX, I'd be ecstatic and would keep the device until the wheels fall off. |
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Exactly... People don't seem to realize, LTE is not available in enough markets yet to benefit iphone users. Why should apple create a new iphone just for the few people who can use it while the remaining millions will complain about LTE availability? Take a look at verizon's LTE subscribers, a mere 500,000 in the last quarter: » www.informationweek.com/ ··· 29402105Apple sells millions of iphones per quarter. When LTE is ready for the mass (not just the few) then an LTE iphone will be made, it's inevitable. Until then, kudos to those who have LTE. For the rest of us who don't have it, who cares? When 50,000 users are on a limited LTE network it's great where it's available. When millions of users are on that limited network, we'll see speeds slow to a crawl. LTE is not ready for the iphone, period. |
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said by aaronwt:Two days? Are they only making phone calls?
Nope. Moderate use means calls, apps, browsing. Just running a program that turns off wifi/3g radio when screen is off. |
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said by openbox9:I haven't seen, read, or experienced Android battery life much beyond 24 hours with any usage more than "moderate". I guess mileage varies. Personally, if I could get two days of battery life out of my DX, I'd be ecstatic and would keep the device until the wheels fall off.
Extended battery. Although i don't see why 24 hours is a problem. I have no problems with charging my phone every day. I would do it regardless of what % battery is remaining. |
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.... said the guy who lives outside LTE territory. |
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2011-Apr-22 4:47 pm
LTE without voice is not very practicalLets remember that LTE does not yet have voice standard. So it is useless without another protocold such as GSM or that CDMA thing.
The USA represents only 29% of total iphone sales. So Apple needs to look at worldwide LTE deployment to see if it is worth it.
HTC is setup to build a gazillion variations of a baseline model, with each variation sold exclusively to one network. So they can afford to have one model with LTE/CDMA, one model GSM/HSPA, one model that has GSM/HSPA/LTE etc.
Apple has so far wanted to keep its models to just 1. (Verizon's CDMA being the exception and it looks to be a short lived exception).
Since Apple want the LTE version to be called the ipHone 4G, it is likely that this year's model wll be the iphone 4 S to allow it to use the 4G monickler for the 2012 model with LTE.
Shaw has just announced that it is putting its mobile network deployment on hold because it wants to see whether it should go to LTE right away or still deploy HPSA and then go to LTE.
Looks to me like 2012 will the the year for LTE. |
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Re: iPhone 5 won't be LTEGreat, extended battery buys about another three hours from what I've read. Point is, iPhone, because of its hardware/software tightness, is more efficient than Android devices to date. Doesn't matter to me really as I won't be buying an iPhone regardless of what network it runs on. And I still stand by my claim of no LTE iPhone until 2012. |
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said by jester121:said by Commodus:Besides, LTE coverage is just over a third of the population in the US right now and doesn't really exist elsewhere. What's the point of having a chipset the vast majority of your users wouldn't appreciate until a couple of years later?
More accurately, since this is Apple: why sell a device with a forward-looking feature set when we can sell them a whole new device every 12 months? BINGO! its all about the benjamins! |
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