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Hope it does wellI wish this project the best even though im not even close to it! Im sure a lot of people will be watching it closely. |
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Agreed. Hopefully will lead others to pursue similar interests in adequate markets. |
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25139889 (banned)
join:2011-10-25
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to cooldude9919
True but you can bet that ATT will slow down the build if they own the poles or can talk the local power company into slowing them down. |
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join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX |
WHT
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2011-Dec-14 10:14 am
Only up to the mandated time limit allowed by FCC easement law. |
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tmc8080
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2011-Dec-14 10:17 am
$$Yet another FTTP deployment offering stand-alone lower prices than Verizon.... tsk, tsk, tsk. |
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25139889 (banned)
join:2011-10-25
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to WHT
Re: Hope it does wellyou mean rule? FCC doesn't pass laws. they pass rules. they're not given legal power to pass law. but T could very well make it very difficult for them to wire. |
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 Metatron2008You're it
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join:2008-09-02
united state |
to 25139889
They'll just try to make sonic take an arrow in the knee. |
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 Jim Kirk
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Jim Kirk
Premium Member
2011-Dec-14 10:47 am
Fail |
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JasonOD
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2011-Dec-14 10:59 am
Huge riskDon't know how this is going to work given VZ couldn't make it work even with their larger scale economics. Unless Dane & his financer's are willing to take a long & low ROI, it's going to be a very rough road. |
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aerith
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aerith
Premium Member
2011-Dec-14 11:01 am
Sunset DistrictReally, start at Sunset District???
When I did a redfin search for available housing in the Sunset District, most of the available housing is one bathroom, and over $500,000 !!!
It would be smarter for Sonic.net to start at the Bayview District, where the average price for a house, according to redfin, is $450,000 vs. $720,000 for the Sunset District.
Although the Sunset District is a start, I would start in neighborhoods, where housing is cheaper.
Any fiber deployment will make the housing price go up, so it may not be an average of $700,000 for a house in the Sunset District, two years from now.
To dane, I know it will take "five" years to develop this for most of the San Francisco City, but please put the Bayview District next, as I am looking for new housing (currently, I am looking at Long Beach, CA for two reasons, 1. Long Beach has fiber optics, and 2. some bus routes have 15 minute frequency) anywhere where there is 24mbps internet that is not using DOCSIS, or from AT&T and Cenurylink, that from the house, there is a bus stop 0.125 miles from the house, and is also 15 minute frequency, and there are Frys Electronics and Micro Center within 3 hours by public transit.
I have a found a house in the Bayview District, but it's a short sale, and it's about $400,000. |
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Re: Huge riskI agree, unless they have the capital somewhere else, or they use this as a loss leader at first, while propping it up with their DSL subscribers as well as their Enterprise Business services.
I am assuming that they will do Aerial in SF (I have never been there so I do not know if they will be required to direct bury the conduit), which will be cheaper, but still the cost of the equipment at the house could be around $250-$700 depending on what they use (whether it is setup outside the house thus hardened or an internal device). Not to mention the cost per port each user will be on the switch side. |
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Re: Hope it does wellI would definitely switch from Bright House (Road Runner) internet to them ( keep the TV). I love Brighthouse service but their speeds and tiers are mediocre at best; and FiOS is a rip-off( and crap customer service) in my eyes after all of the Verizon "fees and taxes" get added on and in contrast to Sonic. |
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cmaengdewd to aerith
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2011-Dec-14 11:41 am
to aerith
Re: Sunset Districtsaid by aerith:Really, start at Sunset District???
When I did a redfin search for available housing in the Sunset District, most of the available housing is one bathroom, and over $500,000 !!!
It would be smarter for Sonic.net to start at the Bayview District, where the average price for a house, according to redfin, is $450,000 vs. $720,000 for the Sunset District.
Although the Sunset District is a start, I would start in neighborhoods, where housing is cheaper.
Any fiber deployment will make the housing price go up, so it may not be an average of $700,000 for a house in the Sunset District, two years from now.
To dane, I know it will take "five" years to develop this for most of the San Francisco City, but please put the Bayview District next, as I am looking for new housing (currently, I am looking at Long Beach, CA for two reasons, 1. Long Beach has fiber optics, and 2. some bus routes have 15 minute frequency) anywhere where there is 24mbps internet that is not using DOCSIS, or from AT&T and Cenurylink, that from the house, there is a bus stop 0.125 miles from the house, and is also 15 minute frequency, and there are Frys Electronics and Micro Center within 3 hours by public transit.
I have a found a house in the Bayview District, but it's a short sale, and it's about $400,000.
Installing service in Bayview makes as much sense as installing in Watts or Compton in LA. You're going to attract a lot more customers in Santa Monica then those areas, just like you will in Sunset vs Bayview. |
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io chico
Premium Member
2011-Dec-14 11:49 am
Increased property valuesI will never buy another house without first verifying myself that there is a fast connection. I won't even take someone's word for it.
Many of my neighbors can only get satellite. |
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CompNrdCR
Anon
2011-Dec-14 11:56 am
SweeeeetI am in RC but man I love sonic... They think about the customer and believe in providing honest internet services. |
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 FFH5
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to 25139889
Re: Hope it does wellsaid by 25139889:True but you can bet that ATT will slow down the build if they own the poles or can talk the local power company into slowing them down.
Sonic's biggest obstacle would more likely be the Board of Supervisors and their aesthetics nazis than would AT&T or a power company. NIMBY is the rallying cry of neighborhood activists in SF. |
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to aerith
Re: Sunset DistrictDoesn't matter because when tech-savvy people finds out they'll drive the prices up anyway. |
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Re: Huge riskOnly a huge risk to the Riches Beyond Imagination that Verizon executives and shareholders expect. |
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to io chico
Re: Increased property valuesI hear Lithuania is nice. |
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
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No mention of a cap...No mention of a cap? » corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/ ··· eb-hogs/How come Sonic can offer service without caps but others (ahem Comcast/AT&T) can't? |
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Re: Sunset DistrictIf i where to take a guess on their choice of starting points i would say its the following or combo of the following.
Current user density:
They did research and found they have a high density of current customers in this area that they can move to fiber, so they already have some guaranteed customers.
Construction cost/permits:
Easier at this area for construction (all ariel?) and/or easier to obtain permits, and/or easier to tie into their backbone network. |
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Re: No mention of a cap...Because they care more about being competitive and not being a douche company than appeasing shareholders (which they dont have because they arent a public company anyway) |
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io chico
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join:2003-12-30
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to Wilsdom
Re: Increased property valuesDo they have a better offering than we get in rural communities? |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC |
to FFH5
Re: Hope it does wellReal high speed internet would increase property value though. AT&T U-verse isn't anything that would draw an upper income earner, I can understand why the cabinets aren't worth it. |
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join:2011-12-14
San Francisco, CA |
to aerith
Re: Sunset DistrictI take it you've never actually walked around Bayview?
SF is an insanely expensive city, and Sunset isn't even one of the more expensive neighborhoods -- the issue is, if you're looking for prices like you'd find in Long Beach or LA, you'll be living in really really scary parts of town.
Don't get me wrong, I love fast internet... I work for a tech startup. But, even 1gbps internet would not get me down to Bayview. |
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Nice! Good ISPs are starting to arrive in SF.This is great news!
Currently, I'm a webpass subscriber -- which is an AMAZING ISP -- they provide uncapped 100/100 for $45/mo or $400/yr, but they're limited to pretty much SOMA.
Having more options for fast internet in more neighborhoods in the city can only be a good thing! |
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join:2001-04-03
N. Absentia |
to Wilsdom
Re: Increased property valuessaid by Wilsdom:I hear Lithuania is nice.
The winters are hellish, but throughput is heavenly! » arstechnica.com/tech-pol ··· ania.ars |
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ChucksTruck
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2011-Dec-14 2:01 pm
I wonder what this would cost in Canada?This would cost at least $5,000.00 a month in Canada not to mention the cap here would be around 100 (one hundred) gigabytes a month and would also be severely throttled. With no caps it would cost around $25,000.00 a month up here. |
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25139889 (banned)
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH |
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Re: $$and yet if anything happens to Sonic and they can't pay their shareholders and loans you can bet VZ and ATT will be there buying those assets up or another telco. |
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Re: Hope it does wellpeople barely have money to pay for food let alone worrying about property values going up due to HSI.  |
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