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ScaryAnd don't say ohh if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about BS. | |
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Re: ScaryWith that much data, something is sure to come up not matter what.
Plus think of anything you've ever said or done being taken out of context, than multiply that by 1000.
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2013-Jul-31 3:06 pm
Re: ScaryAgreed.
And what is even more scary is when it gets in to the wrong hands - just wait until the NSA gets hacked. | |
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Re: Scaryor when that data starts getting sold to companies. I'm thinking The MPAA and RIAA would love to get their hands on some of that data.
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2013-Jul-31 3:31 pm
Re: ScaryNo real consumer privacy protections.
Any attempt to enact real consumer privacy protections is slapped down as "excessive regulation."
A government that thinks surveillance and privacy laws are funny.
A massive uptick in the collection and storage of absolutely every possible type of data a user leaves each day.
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said by buzz_4_20:or when that data starts getting sold to companies. That's not what the NSA does. | |
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2013-Aug-1 3:27 am
Re: Scary1. We're discussing the NSA, not the TSA. 2. The NSA is about gaining information that nobody knows it has. 3. The NSA isn't going to sell anything or advertise itself willingly. If it had it's way, nobody would know the agency even existed. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by openbox9:1. We're discussing the NSA, not the TSA. 2. The NSA is about gaining information that nobody knows it has. 3. The NSA isn't going to sell anything or advertise itself willingly. If it had it's way, nobody would know the agency even existed. 1. And THAT makes a difference why? The TSA says exactly the same nonsense... "We're here to protect you... We're here to serve you...". The NSA leadership Lies to Congress and consider themselves above the law, so what makes it that the employees won't feel the same? Are they somehow "special"? 2. They don't do their job very well then, do they?. We ALL know. 3) Because they say so? (See 1). Google (or you might want to use DuckDuckGo lest you be listed as a terrorist) ICE corruption, FBI corruption, CIA corruption and you will see the tip of the iceberg, the acts of individuals that the government WANTS you to hear about so you will think "Well, they were caught, so everything is OK". If you dig even a little deeper you will find even more. You can find how ICE Agents, payed by YOUR TAX DOLLARS acted as enforcers, imprisoning foreign workers who were promised a decent wage to come here and clean up in Louisiana after hurricane Katrina only to find themselves payed little to nothing for countless hours under horrible conditions, forced to live in inhuman conditions, beaten and dragged off in the night, never to be seen again by ICE Agents if they complained or tried to organize or tried to get help. I had the pleasure (??) of speaking to one of these workers at a conference sponsored by the U.N. He spoke about the brutality they suffered at the hands of ICE Agents who acted with TOTAL IMPUNITY because they KNEW, that even if they were exposed, none would ever be punished. His stories reminded me of the stories I heard growing up, from my mother, about the years she spent in a Nazi POW Camp. The ABSOLUTE arrogance that these people operated under, because they KNEW, nothing bad would EVER happen to them. This systemic corruption is a little harder to find, but can be if you look hard enough. Corruption in the Government of the United States is rampant. Why not? "The fish rots from the head" does it not? But the NSA is different because they tell us so... | |
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2013-Aug-2 1:43 am
Re: Scary1. It matters because we're discussing the NSA, not the TSA. I thought that was fairly obvious.
2. Not when it has employees that violate their oaths and legal agreements.
3. Because that's its charter and mantra.
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Re: ScaryAh yes, the blessed NSA. The only agency in the entire United States Government that is impervious to corruption of any kind. Perhaps they are anointed by God? Perhaps they and they alone sit at His right hand?
You know, since you mentioned it, I did a little research and you are perfectly right. All the OTHER agencies have in tiny, little type; so small that it cannot be detected by the human eye; written in invisible ink; encrypted; at the bottom of their Charters and "mantras" a little clause that says "We will abuse our authority at any time for our own benefit or the benefit of anyone we see fit". Low and behold, the NSA, is the ONLY Agency that does NOT have such a clause. WOW, Thanks for setting me straight, the NSA IS Truly special.
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2013-Aug-2 7:25 pm
Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:The only agency in the entire United States Government that is impervious to corruption of any kind. Obviously not. That's a ridiculous and extreme comment. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by openbox9:said by meeeeeeeeee:The only agency in the entire United States Government that is impervious to corruption of any kind. Obviously not. That's a ridiculous and extreme comment. Then WHY?? Do you keep making it???? The Leadership of the NSA has repeatedly sat before Congress and under oath, told bold faced lies. They did not say that they couldn't answer that question publicly due to security considerations. They sat there and absolutely and completely lied. This is criminal behavior, abuse of authority and corruption at its finest. This is the kind of behavior we expect from Mafiosi, not from the top personnel of our national security agencies. We, as a society cannot afford people who feel that they are above the law involved in any way enforcing those laws. The people pursuing criminals cannot be worse than the criminals. | |
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2013-Aug-2 9:12 pm
Re: ScaryNice try  Edit: Since you edited your post. Fine, find an AG willing to prosecute these alleged "criminals" and take them to court. That's not what this thread is about. Back on topic, the NSA isn't going to sell your info to the MPAA/RIAA. | |
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said by openbox9:Nice try 
Edit: Since you edited your post. Fine, find an AG willing to prosecute these alleged "criminals" and take them to court. That's not what this thread is about. Back on topic, the NSA isn't going to sell your info to the MPAA/RIAA. The thread is about how scary the illegal, wholesale data collection being done by this out of control agency is and the whole range of possibilities for the abuse of that data. I really wouldn't care if they sold my info to the MPAA/RIAA. It's making ME (or any other law abiding citizen) the next victim in a very long line of victims of their abuse, because they don't like me speaking out about how corrupt they are, that worries me and every American. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:said by openbox9:Nice try 
Edit: Since you edited your post. Fine, find an AG willing to prosecute these alleged "criminals" and take them to court. That's not what this thread is about. Back on topic, the NSA isn't going to sell your info to the MPAA/RIAA. The thread is about how scary the illegal, wholesale data collection being done by this out of control agency is and the whole range of possibilities for the abuse of that data. I really wouldn't care if they sold my info to the MPAA/RIAA. It's making ME the next victim in a very long line of victims of their abuse, because they don't like me speaking out about how corrupt they are that worries me and every American. You mean as opposed to the Russians who signed into law the capability to change the content of emails in transit via deep packet inspection. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by sk1939:You mean as opposed to the Russians who signed into law the capability to change the content of emails in transit via deep packet inspection. By that do you mean because other governments are also corrupt and unprincipled I should be happy that mine is a little less, at least for the time being? If some other government where to decide to commit mass suicide, I would wholeheartedly endorse our entire government following suit, but otherwise, no... I do not want them in the race to see who can be the most morally corrupt and abusive to their citizens. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:said by sk1939:You mean as opposed to the Russians who signed into law the capability to change the content of emails in transit via deep packet inspection. By that do you mean because other governments are also corrupt and unprincipled I should be happy that mine is a little less, at least for the time being? If some other government where to decide to commit mass suicide, I would wholeheartedly endorse our entire government following suit, but otherwise, no... I do not want them in the race to see who can be the most morally corrupt and abusive to their citizens. It's a race like any other and likely to change. The fact of the matter is that every government does it. Name a country and they either have the capability or seek it (to monitor communications). That being said, this article might interest readers: » www.cnn.com/2013/07/24/o ··· _sidebar | |
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Re: ScaryRead the Constitution of the United States of America. We're supposed to be better than that. Until not long ago (in the grand scheme of things), we were. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:Read the Constitution of the United States of America. We're supposed to be better than that. Until not long ago (in the grand scheme of things), we were. I have, and there are still limits. The constitution was written several hundred years ago, and they had no way of predicting all possibilities/outcomes. Beyond that, remember section 8; "Provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." Which is what all of these things generally fall under. | |
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Re: ScarySection 8 does not provide for the government to burn all the other sections of the constitution in order to fulfill it.
The article you refer to is hardly impressive. I would hardly expect one Mafiosi to testify honestly and truthfully about another Mafiosi unless there was a direct benefit to him.
The fact that this agency considers itself above the law, above all oversite is reprehensible. They lie to the very body responsible for their oversite. To me, it is more than enough grounds for Congress to place so much oversite requirement on this agency that their employees should not be allowed to use the restroom without a full roll call vote in both houses. They have betrayed the public trust. | |
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2013-Aug-2 11:29 pm
Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:The fact that this agency considers itself above the law, above all oversite is reprehensible. They lie to the very body responsible for their oversite. To me, it is more than enough grounds for Congress to place so much oversite requirement on this agency that their employees should not be allowed to use the restroom without a full roll call vote in both houses. They have betrayed the public trust. Their actions hardly violate the Constitution, other than the right to privacy perhaps. Perhaps, but it's a holdover from the Cold War days where the biggest leaks came from those who oversaw such agencies: Congress. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by sk1939:Their actions hardly violate the Constitution, other than the right to privacy perhaps. and the prohibition against illegal search and seizure and a host of others perhaps. said by sk1939:Perhaps, but it's a holdover from the Cold War days where the biggest leaks came from those who oversaw such agencies: Congress. So, Because they feel like it, this agency has decided that they are above the law and not subject to oversite. CLOSE THEM! The Gestapo is not welcome here. They do far more damage to this nation than the ONE terrorist they allege to have foiled ever could do. | |
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2013-Aug-2 11:52 pm
Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:said by sk1939:Their actions hardly violate the Constitution, other than the right to privacy perhaps. and the prohibition against illegal search and seizure and a host of others perhaps. Search and seizure of what? Your metadata that is practically public domain? said by meeeeeeeeee:said by sk1939:Perhaps, but it's a holdover from the Cold War days where the biggest leaks came from those who oversaw such agencies: Congress. So, Because they feel like it, this agency has decided that they are above the law and not subject to oversite. CLOSE THEM! The Gestapo is not welcome here. They do far more damage to this nation than the ONE terrorist they allege to have foiled ever could do. Hardly the Gestapo, they don't detain people, etc. At least your rational enough to not claim that they're trying to assassinate you. What damage are they causing exactly? How are you affected by this other than them having all of this information? | |
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Re: ScaryThey are violating the constitution which they all swore to defend and uphold. They are spying on American Citizens who have been accused of no crime (prohibited in many laws). They have participated in the extra judicial killings of American Citizens (including a 16 year old child accused of no crime). The list goes on and on. If you want to run a fascist state, find somewhere else, move there and do it. I, and more and more like me will NOT stand idly by.
As to the metadata, from the amount of lies coming from this regime, I highly doubt that is all they are gathering. | |
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2013-Aug-3 12:14 am
Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:They are violating the constitution which they all swore to defend and uphold. They are spying on American Citizens who have been accused of no crime (prohibited in many laws). They have participated in the extra judicial killings of American Citizens (including a 16 year old child accused of no crime). The list goes on and on. If you want to run a fascist state, find somewhere else, move there and do it. I, and more and more like me will NOT stand idly by.
As to the metadata, from the amount of lies coming from this regime, I highly doubt that is all they are gathering. Actually, it was made legal by the ratified and extended Patriot Act. What extra-judicial killings? So this is beyond the scope of the NSA, and applies to the Obama Administration and other agencies as well. Talking louder won't really solve anything imo. There's nothing you can really do to change it. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by sk1939:Actually, it was made legal by the ratified and extended Patriot Act. Congress does not have the authority to pass laws that violate the constitution even if the current rubber stamp Supremes allow it for the time being, this too shall pass. said by sk1939:What extra-judicial killings? You really need to educate yourself more about what your government is doing. Google is your friend. said by sk1939:So this is beyond the scope of the NSA, and applies to the Obama Administration and other agencies as well. It goes well beyond the Obama Administration. said by sk1939:Talking louder won't really solve anything imo. There's nothing you can really do to change it. Funny, that's what King George said... | |
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2013-Aug-3 2:15 am
Re: ScaryThey have the ability if it's approved by the Supreme Court. Like it or not, that's how it works and had worked. It worked for Roe V. Wade, for the Civil Rights Act, and for the Patriot Act.
The only 17 year old in the news recently was the Zimmerman case and there was nothing extra-judicial about it.
Armed revolt, cause that never causes any problems. Should that happen I can guarantee total financial collapse, and the breakup of the Union. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by sk1939:They have the ability if it's approved by the Supreme Court. Like it or not, that's how it works and had worked. It worked for Roe V. Wade, for the Civil Rights Act, and for the Patriot Act. When this court is replaced by one that is not thoroughly corrupt it shouldn't be hard to have ALL their decisions invalidated en-mass. Don't forget that this is the court that ruled that it is OK for a State Governor to invade a sovereign nation among the many bizarre and unbelievable rulings they have made. said by sk1939:The only 17 year old in the news recently was the Zimmerman case and there was nothing extra-judicial about it. Hmmm a little lazy and inattentive to detail. It was a 16 year old and all you have to do is Google Extra Judicial Killing Obama and you will find numerous references to them. said by sk1939:Armed revolt, cause that never causes any problems. Should that happen I can guarantee total financial collapse, and the breakup of the Union. Who said anything about armed revolt? Total financial collapse is imminent anyway especially in another year or so when the Chinese surpass us as the World Economic Leader. Our ability to appease them with our dollars is diminishing daily as more and more skilled, trained and educated people are finding themselves working at Walmart and McDonalds and the Chinese have been working hard for over a decade to replace us as their customer in chief. Add to that the brilliant sabre rattling our fearless (but not overly bright) leader is engaging in with them and they should be about at the point where they will squash us like a bug anyway. With the current state of the union, a breakup might not be such a bad thing anyway. There are a few states that still value the rights and freedoms of their citizens and I'm sure most intelligent people will gravitate to them. | |
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2013-Aug-3 2:47 am
Re: Scarysaid by meeeeeeeeee:said by sk1939:They have the ability if it's approved by the Supreme Court. Like it or not, that's how it works and had worked. It worked for Roe V. Wade, for the Civil Rights Act, and for the Patriot Act. When this court is replaced by one that is not thoroughly corrupt it shouldn't be hard to have ALL their decisions invalidated en-mass. Don't forget that this is the court that ruled that it is OK for a State Governor to invade a sovereign nation among the many bizarre and unbelievable rulings they have made. Except then you run the risk of having all rulings invalidated, not just recent ones. As far as the extra-judicial killings goes, it's far reaching I admit, and the implementation is poor, but the logic is sound if they are "an imminent threat of a violent attack against the United States". Sometimes it's just not possible to bring them back to face trial. It's not imminent according to anyone who knows anything about economics. The government is a different story, as the deficit is every growing that's to rampant spending. We have no need to "appease" them with our dollars since in reality we help keep them afloat. Remember that their economy isn't anywhere near the same as ours in the way it is run and decisions are made. I highly disagree with that statement, and firmly believe nothing good could come of it. At the first sign of hostilities there will be a massive brain drain as anyone smart or rich enough to leave the country, would. Freedoms are somewhat secondary to personal safety in this particular case. That and the fact that I"m sure most people like where they live, hence a popular uprising to breakaway is likely to be small in likelihood, and fractious. | |
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Re: Scarysaid by sk1939:Except then you run the risk of having all rulings invalidated, not just recent ones. A re-hearing of many cases would not be such a bad thing. Times have changed, things have changed. said by sk1939:As far as the extra-judicial killings goes, it's far reaching I admit, and the implementation is poor, but the logic is sound if they are "an imminent threat of a violent attack against the United States". Sometimes it's just not possible to bring them back to face trial. Especially if you don't even try to. Shooting them where they stand is much easier. The 16 year old in the fast food restaurant was a grave danger to the United States I'm sure. It must have taken a real man to pull the drone's trigger on him. I believe the White House's official response stated something to the effect that he should have picked a better father. We'll never know if there was any imminent danger from the father because murdering him without benefit of any trial negated the necessity of producing things like facts. That's the new Amerikan way... Summary executions. said by sk1939:It's not imminent according to anyone who knows anything about economics. The government is a different story, as the deficit is every growing that's to rampant spending. We have no need to "appease" them with our dollars since in reality we help keep them afloat. Remember that their economy isn't anywhere near the same as ours in the way it is run and decisions are made.
I highly disagree with that statement, and firmly believe nothing good could come of it. At the first sign of hostilities there will be a massive brain drain as anyone smart or rich enough to leave the country, would. Freedoms are somewhat secondary to personal safety in this particular case. That and the fact that I"m sure most people like where they live, hence a popular uprising to breakaway is likely to be small in likelihood, and fractious. Our ability to continue to help keep them afloat is rapidly diminishing. We as consumers are not going to have anywhere near the buying power we had even 10 years ago making minimum wage or nothing at all. The Chinese have had aggressive trade missions in every nation in the world for over a decade tasked with the express mission to replace the revenue currently coming from the United States and they have been very successful. In a few more years, they are not going to need what little we can give them. "Brain drain"?? Have you spoken to any recent college graduates lately? Most have less of an education than I had when I graduated from High School several years ago (hurmpphh). They have zero work ethic having had everything handed to them for their entire lives by Mommy and Daddy. Us old people are dieing off and frankly there isn't much in the way of brains coming up the ranks to replace us. An intelligent discussion like you and I are engaged in would be impossible with one of them. I recently, for grins and giggles did a revue of patents issued to companies in my region over the last year. When I looked at the names of the developers on the patents I saw names from all over Asia... From India, from China, from Korea. Hired guns, brought in by multinational corporations to do our thinking. There were very few (less than 1%) John Smiths. Our population is too busy drooling on FaceDrool and watching Amerikans Idle. The vast majority are just too dumb to invent much of anything. Perhaps a "reset" is in order and would do us good. We've become fat and lazy and had it too good for too many years. People are more interested in "getting over" than in working. Well, you are much less apt to try to "get over" on someone when their response might just be a bullet in your head. Darwin will kick back in and the strong and smart will survive, and the lazy and stupid will perish. I don't particularly care about the ground under my feet. I care more about being among those of like mind, people with morals and ethics wherever I might find them. I can even think of a few "third world countries" I wouldn't mind becoming a part of. The people there were amazing. | |
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said by sk1939:Actually, it was made legal by the ratified and extended Patriot Act.
No, not really. The government has their own interpretation of the Patriot Act which 'allows' them to do whatever they want as long as their secret court rubber-stamps it. Many in Congress, including the author of the Patriot Act, have stated it doesn't (and/or shouldn't) grant the government the power they are claiming. The current talk is that the surveillance provisions will not be renewed since the NSA/FISC is misinterpreting the language. Also, telephone metadata is specifically protected from government snooping and is not even close to 'public domain'. That is exactly why they needed FISC orders to obtain the data. No legitimate court would have granted an 'all records' request for telephone data as it clearly violates the fourth amendment; the FISC overstepped their bounds. The 'pro-surveillance' crowd doesn't even try to argue that it is constitutional, they argue that it is necessary. | |
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said by openbox9:Back on topic, the NSA isn't going to sell your info to the MPAA/RIAA. Perhaps not, but some money-hungry employee or "contractor" might very well! Snowden has demonstrated that their "security" is swiss cheese! Security on OUR private communications is obviously very weak. Wouldn't an advertising agency, or some spam gang LOVE to get their hands on that stuff, and pay handsomely for it! The massive collection of all this private information is a menace in itself. Once collected, there is no way it will be kept secure. If history is prolog, it WILL be used for purposes it was never intended to be used for. | |
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said by openbox9:said by buzz_4_20:or when that data starts getting sold to companies. That's not what the NSA does. No? Not even unscrupulous members? Every place has them... | |
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Re: ScaryI guess you could have an unscrupulous employee sell your illegal activities to the RIAA/MPAA. But to what end? | |
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said by buzz_4_20:The MPAA and RIAA would love to get their hands on some of that data. I believe that the government has already tied music and movie file sharing to 'funding terrorism' and 'protecting children' to justify tracking internet users. | |
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said by buzz_4_20:With that much data, something is sure to come up not matter what.
Plus think of anything you've ever said or done being taken out of context, than multiply that by 1000.
This is scary stuff if you ask me. Over the years everyone and I mean EVERYONE has had a private telephone or email conversation that you do not want to go public. Doing so whether now or years down the road could hurt family members, friends, co-workers, grand kids, customers, patients, you name it. There is no way to keep this data completely secure. It will always be prone to hackers, unscrupulous employees and government officials. With so many people having access to this data, it WILL and quite possibly YOUR data will end up on a public internet server some day. If for some reason not from the methods I described, years down the road through the "Freedom of Information Act" after you are dead. This is the message that needs to get out to people. Especially to the "if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" crowd. People need to contact their representatives in Congress to support stopping the data capture and require that the data be immediately destroyed to prevent this from happening. It maybe too late already. | |
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very scary -- as someone said, just think of how something you said one day(when your 15 for christ sake) can be twisted into something malicious by the "machine" - I guess I will keep my ideas about this to myself though. | |
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said by sk1939:The woman who screened Snowden actually lied on her resume, and passed a lot of people without actually doing any kind of check. Gee. THAT little bit of news makes me feel warm and fuzzy. Swiss Cheese may not be a good enough description. A colander perhaps? | |
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sk1939
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2013-Aug-4 11:27 pm
Re: ScaryHire fewer contractors and problem solved. | |
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said by sk1939:Hire fewer contractors and problem solved. Except the hundreds or thousands that have had their fingers in God only knows what for how long? Oh yeah... This gives me a REAL GOOD feeling about the government's ability to secure things. Does Congress know about this? This is getting scarier and scarier by the minute! | |
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said by sk1939:Hire fewer contractors and problem solved. This would also be a very bad idea because then the Agency brass and Congress Persons would stop getting their kickbacks from the contractors. | |
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Yup...I am surprised at how little we know and how to remove (although some features, I do need like GPS data for photos so I know where I took that shot...etc...). But if you want it gone, I've used this and EXIF removal tools... » digitalconfidence.com/do ··· ads.html | |
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Re: Yup...You don't have access to this data they are collecting. You can not remove it. The only limiting factor is how much storage they have.
They pull it directly off of fiber lines going into and out of internet backbone providers. They have everything. | |
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America!Fuck Yeah!!!
I can't help but laugh! More and more people are undoubtedly learning of this for the first time everyday, but will they continue on supporting the status quo? | |
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Re: America!When it's gone on this long, there is nothing else. | |
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2013-Jul-31 3:03 pm
Lost our way  If we the citizenry can't make this kind of activity stop, we have truly lost our identity as a nation. These programs prove to the rest of the world that the U. S. has become a second-rate country. If this is the only response we can conceive of to "protect" ourselves, our enemies have indeed won. | |
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bngdup
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2013-Jul-31 3:13 pm
AmazedOn one hand, I'm amazed at the scale of the operation and what you could do with it. On the other its disturbing that this information is so easily available to numerous gov't employees and agencies that are likely in the pocket of corporations. Corruption at its finest. | |
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Re: AmazedI'm so amazed that I don't believe a word of it. | |
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Nothing to worry about.Just ignore this nothing big. | |
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watching Mericahaha and you think they care... nSa and cia have been watching forever but remember once you see the pattern their is no point to watch it anymore. | |
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StuartMW
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2013-Jul-31 3:37 pm
But...But but they're the gummint and they're here to "help".
Of course the question is "help" whom with what? If you believe them it's all to
• Protect you from terrorists.
• Protect the children.
Now if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Also some beachfront property in Arizona. | |
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wkm001
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2013-Jul-31 3:56 pm
Let's get to...the part where all these NSA whistle blowers talked about the government being able to listen to the microphones on our wireless phones anytime they want. For the love of God will someone ask the NSA or a congressman about that? This could be the straw that breaks the general public's back. | |
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2013-Jul-31 4:24 pm
When are they...going to lock that Snowden rat up? He signed nondisclosure agreements and then disclosed classified info. If he can't do the time he should not do the crime. If he can't take his punishment like a man, then he should have never released any info. What an ass. | |
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kathyblondie
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2013-Jul-31 4:40 pm
its the links stupidall across the web companies are complicit
and here is how its done
"http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/New-Snowden-Docs-NSA-Can-Easily-See-Your-Entire-Internet-Life-125192"
notice its not
"http://www.dslreports.com/125192"
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Can Google Do This Too?Google has been collecting crap on us far longer than the NSA. Perhaps it's somewhat more "anonymous" than the NSA's data but I'd bet we'd be surprised at what Google can determine about us just based on our on-line activity. | |
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Re: Can Google Do This Too?said by rradina:Google has been collecting crap on us far longer than the NSA. Perhaps it's somewhat more "anonymous" than the NSA's data but I'd bet we'd be surprised at what Google can determine about us just based on our on-line activity. It's not about what someone is determining or calculating about us. It's about bulk collection of the actual data a person sends and receives on the internet. In fact if you want to equate it to google in a better way it would be how their roaming cars were detecting wifi and collecting all the raw data and storing it. Instead of just collecting access point names and the geolocation data together to triangulate the source of the signal they collected bits of unencrypted data too. Google collects it from the 10 seconds it takes to drive by your house, the NSA does it 24 hours every day. It's not the same thinng, not even close, not for the same purpose, and likely is pushed by private corporate contractors so they can get a chance to steal valuable information to make even more money that nobody will ever know about because it's all buried in many layers of secrecy and secret laws! | |
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Re: Can Google Do This Too?I think we'd be surprised how much Google knows. I'm not in any way making excuses for any data collection and we definitely need a lot greater visibility into what the NSA is doing. However, if you use any of Google's applications, they have an awful lot of your data and although they don't have details when you leave their web-properties, they know where you go -- especially if you use Android or Chrome.
My point is if we're going to have a conversation about the NSA and question what they are doing, I'd like to see it include business. Not that business is currently doing anything illegal, like the NSA probably is, but I think we have a right to know who knows what about us and how it is used or misused. | |
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History has proven..."Every great civilization has come to an end" , need I say more? | |
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Jon
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2013-Jul-31 5:56 pm
Can Easily See My Entire Internet Life?As long as they don't tell my wife, I'm good!  | |
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pkorx8
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2013-Jul-31 6:43 pm
So much data collected...And they can't prosecute anyone in the whole financial mess.... I mean, they chose not to prosecute anyone in the financial mess. | |
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ds5v50
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2013-Jul-31 7:24 pm
Really,,,We already knew the Government has been keeping tabs on all of us. None of this is a big suprise. | |
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w0g
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2013-Jul-31 8:17 pm
snowden.. doesn't know how big it goes then.Snowden is kind of focusing on a very small part of the NSAs capabilities. They have outside, installed global satellites and ground based monitors, that in addition to tying in information provided from Internet and phone and electronic records databases, record everything you do and say in your homes, and have the ability to extract and monitor all thought. These remote sensors record and read electromagnetic energy that is emitted from atoms and neurons, allowing them to decode all the neural signals in your brain and body. They can see and hear through walls, see what your brain and eyes see, hear what you hear with your ears, hear what is going on inside your imagination, read memory, extract thought, monitor your motivation, emotions, all thought and impulses as emitted by your neurons. This system is a large remote brain computer interface called Remote Neural Monitoring and Electronic Brain Link. It also allows fully remote nerve manipulation, and remote human sabotage/injury. It gives the NSA the ability to nuke anyone, control them, and discredit them at will. They can assassinate and mutilate targets in secret, simulate psychosis, and conduct other harms to their nervous systems. But it works best against unhealthy people. It's used to frame them, set them up, keep control of them. It is a nationwide system, police and many government agents (FBI, NSA, CIA, DoD, state and local police, etc) depend on and use it daily. Another component is the built in covert mind to mind communication capability, called EBL. It can pass messages, information, directly introduce signals directly into the synape of individuals using microwave transmitters. This allows them to beam video, audio, dreams, and other impulses directly into the mind and body of agents (or targets of abuse and torture), and agents can interface with the computer system remotely and control it all with the thought of their minds alone. details @ » www.oregonstatehospital. ··· ebl.htmlThere is no limit to the warrantless spying and wire tapping going on. They tap and monitor everything, all remotely, and no one is monitoring their capability or use of this system. There are many victims of torture, experimentation, and mutilation with this system, as well. The whole system looks like MKULTRA-II. More info @ » www.obamasweapon.com/There is some information that covers how broad the electronic system is if you look up what is publically available about the NSAs ECHELON. They have taps and satellites in place globally to do this all. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON | |
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who to blame..so, when the next attack happens, you know who to blame first. if they are all watching all spying, how could they miss it?
remember the good old days when spys weren't able to phone it in and had to actually go the source and do some REAL work...people actually do things and communicate offline too, really. the bigger tragedy would be an overweight in remote eavesdropping and not enough resources in physical recon.
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2013-Jul-31 9:54 pm
This is a forum but not a forumI hate NESTED which is default now for replies to news articles. Used to Flat worked fine but now it is awful yet replies to News articles here claim to be a forum. If really a forum then Flat would work correctly.  | |
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Re: This is a forum but not a forumI'm not really seeing where it works differently from the way news items have always worked (well, for a long, long time anyway). I do, however, typically use the 'topics' view, which looks/works the same as a "forum". (Oh, and "NSA NSA NSA" ...just wanted my post to have some relevance to the article.  ) | |
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