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YawnHaving Google Fiber #1 as a major provider throws any legitimacy of this ranking right out the window.
Have they broken 1000 subscribers yet? Hmm
To show the scope of their non-existance, has this website even had a review of Google Fiber yet? Is the system even set up to accept a Google Fiber review? |
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At least Clearwire is consistent :)Good to see Clearwire is doing a fab job of holding on to last place. |
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Re: YawnWhat does Google's size have to do with it? Just because a company is small doesn't mean they have some advantage. The big guys have more money, you'd think that they could invest in their networks to increase capacity. |
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There are plenty of BIGGER FTTH providers out there not on the list ! Why are they not on the list?. Hell there are probably some college campuses with more subscribers with access to 100+Mbps which makes those ISPs better suited for that list. quote: What does Google's size have to do with it?
Google gigantic size unfortunately has everything to do with it. quote: Just because a company is small doesn't mean they have some advantage. The big guys have more money, you'd think that they could invest in their networks to increase capacity.
Surely you cant be serious, who has more cash than Google? The US Treasury? |
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2014-Jan-15 9:54 am
Exactly Wow is not on the list & they have a lot of subscribers. |
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Canceled NetflixThis month I finally gave up on Netflix. Hopefully something is figured out why the stream quality is such crap in my area (St. Paul MN) using Comcast. I went almost a month hoping something would be resolved, but the kicker was the increased buffering on top of the already horrible picture quality.
And it is not just me. People I talk to at work are also experiencing the same issue. Netflix customer care says its not on their end. Although Hulu and Amazon work great! |
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If it's truly not Netflix and you have no other choice for HSI, I don't blame you. However, this is the exact reason other news regarding net-neutrality should concern everyone. If enough folks cancel Netflix because they have no HSI alternative, what incentive does Comcast have to fix the problem? In fact, Comcast experiences a benefit from less Netflix traffic on their network -- especially if they have competitive video service they are peddling. |
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OisNBI streamed OitNB last night at about ~4-5Mbps. At least according to the meter in DDWRT? This was on Comcast at 7:30PM, pretty much the worst time to do anything on the internet. |
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Re: YawnSize doesn't mean size of the company, it means size of the ISP in terms of customers. You don't really think Google Fiber customers are using the same infrastructure as Google servers do you?
And many of those smaller fiber players like cities have to buy their connectivity from the bigger ISPs. Opelika Alabama for example gives charter.com IPs to their customers. |
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Just ouf of curiosity...Is anyone having troubles with uVerse and Netflix in the St. Louis area?
It use to work perfectly fine testing out at 8-11mb when doing the little test and then playing. Then it started to be hit or miss with testing below 1mb and some buffering. Now it is pretty much worthless and test at about .8mb and buffers constantly regardless of day or time. Every once in a while we will get lucky and can watch a complete show, but more times than not we will just find the same thing on Amazon and it streams from them perfectly fine after it failing on Netflix. |
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Canceled ComcastI'm in the Bay Area and continued having issues with low quality streams on my Blast connection. I went ahead and canceled Comcast service and gave my business to a local company who does not have an issue streaming Netflix HD even during prime time.
Sure Netflix may not want to give in to paying big bucks to comcast to peer, but I don't agree with comcast 's bully tactics and their double dipping. I was a paying customer requesting data (in my case Netflix) and don't agree that comcast should make money in delivering this data to me from two sources (both the customer end and from the source I am requesting this data from). Comcast lost my HSI and TV business over this. |
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BrighthouseThey are extremely expensive in my area. They want $70 for my internet tier plus a $7 rental fee. Where Verzion FIOS charges me $66 with no rent modem fee. I also get triple the upload speed plus free local cable box. |
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Re: Canceled Netflixsaid by rradina:If it's truly not Netflix and you have no other choice for HSI, I don't blame you. However, this is the exact reason other news regarding net-neutrality should concern everyone. If enough folks cancel Netflix because they have no HSI alternative, what incentive does Comcast have to fix the problem? In fact, Comcast experiences a benefit from less Netflix traffic on their network -- especially if they have competitive video service they are peddling. If someone is getting a poor Netflix connection of course they should cancel Netflix - however without Netflix streaming they may also decide to downgrade their Comcast connection. I am totally with you about being concerned about the net neutrality rules - but a major reason people are willing to spend $60+ a month with Comcast is for Netflix - or Amazon/Hulu/YouTube etc... so I think there are some incentives for Comcast. A bigger question is why Comcast dropped down the ranking so quickly. My experience is that Netflix streaming quality on Comcast is very dependant on which CDN you get. In my case if I get Netflix Streaming Services as a CDN I get a slow connection - if I get Limelight or Akamai everything is good. Now who is deciding which CDN I connect to when streaming Netflix? |
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Re: Just ouf of curiosity...had a problem with mine in granite city, IL. However mine came clear after I went to a different WiFi access point. Apparently the sapido unit I have only performs at 18mbps down and 8mbps up realtime lan test. The older belkin unit (which doesn't do wpa2) gets 20 down and 20 up via lan speed realtime testing. After I switched to the belkin unit mine cleared up.
hardware that works currently: Nintendo Wii, Belkin FSD7130 hardware that worked incorrectly: Sapido rb1602
No other streaming issues found or detected after access point change. If you are using WiFi to stream, I would do a lan speed test with a laptop and see what speeds you are getting wirelessly. Realtme testing is supposed to yeild 20-30mbps (both directions) on 802.11g.
I plan on in 2014 (I have it written down) to look for another multi AP accesspoint/router that does 300n or 600n, or may hold out for 802.11ac depending. |
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Re: YawnGoogle Fiber made the list before they probably had even 100 subscribers. There are hundreds of companies in the US with far more subscribers than Google had when they started being listed. Adding Google was simply for the sake of using the Google name to shame other ISPs. It's never been about Google having the #1 place. My ISP has over 10,000 subscribers and could very possibly still have more customers than Google. They will never ever make the list because they have no public recognition. |
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Re: Just ouf of curiosity...I certainly do not use WiFi as I am not a big fan of WiFi.
As I posted when Netflix won't work, Amazon still works perfectly fine so I don't see it as a bandwidth/router issue. |
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Re: YawnI disagree with this, 100%. You have sidetracked the article.
The point of this is to get ISPs who are shaping netflix traffic to not do so and/or improve the experience for their customers, because that directly benefits netflix.
That's not about google's size or google's money. |
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Re: Just ouf of curiosity...said by Skippy25:I certainly do not use WiFi as I am not a big fan of WiFi. Ahh, didn't know, I know for mine it seemed wifi was the culprit for mine cause the wireless laptops had no problems said by Skippy25:As I posted when Netflix won't work, Amazon still works perfectly fine so I don't see it as a bandwidth/router issue. could be a bad CDN route/connect point. That might be something worth checking. I think wireshark might be a good detection tool here if it's worth mentioning to you. Finally, I can check your uverse signal if you want (would need your billing account number) but if you are getting full speeds and such I probably won't find much line-wise. |
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Re: Canceled NetflixI did the same thing. Cancelled Netflix. Hulu, YouTube, and other streaming services works fine, HD all the time. In fact, when I tether using my t-mobile mobile Internet, Netflix plays Super HD (5800). Which clearly means my ISP is throtelling Netflix for some reason. Don't want to change my ISP just for one streaming service being stubborn. |
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Re: YawnI don't believe anyone is shaping Netflix currently |
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Re: Just ouf of curiosity...IM sent. |
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Re: Yawnnetflix is shaping its subscribers! |
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Re: Canceled Netflixits well known they throttle to lower quality streams. its not you, its THEM. They couldn't even saturate a 6mbps dsl line. |
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Re: Yawnsaid by ITALIAN926:There are plenty of BIGGER FTTH providers out there not on the list ! Why are they not on the list?. Hell there are probably some college campuses with more subscribers with access to 100+Mbps which makes those ISPs better suited for that list. In this case, I think the smaller size might work in Google's favor. 10,000 subs at (their only tier of) 1Gbit in a small area will probably beat the average of 500,000 subs at 100mbit (and more at less) nationwide. |
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said by ITALIAN926:Having Google Fiber #1 as a major provider throws any legitimacy of this ranking right out the window. Yeah, it's soooo obvious that Google bribed Netflix to give them a better rating. /baseless accsation |
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It shouldn't make the slightest difference as long as ISPs can deliver what their customers pay for. You could stream multiple Netflix streams and not come close to using 100 Mbps. |
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I agree I think Comcast is the issueI can not get HD streams but when I use a VPN it is HD. There is something going on with peering or CDN |
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Re: Yawnsaid by mixdup:I don't believe anyone is shaping Netflix currently They are-- but indirectly, so they can PUBLICLY (and truthfully) claim they are not rate-limiting Netflix traffic. It's not particularly difficult to engineer your route announcements so that companies like Netflix will reach you over your more congested links. No need to rate-limit. Just let congestion handle that for you. Analogy: Suppose a horrible relative is coming to visit and needs directions. To delay their arrival as much as possible, you give directions bringing them into town on the most congested roads. If anyone asks, you can truthfully say your route was the most direct, even though the longer way around (with no traffic) would have been faster. Sometimes a "well engineered truth" is the biggest lie. |
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2014-Jan-16 10:16 am
Oh, no doubt the ISPs are letting Netflix traffic suffer, but they're not actively shaping it. Trust me, I've gone 10 rounds with the Bright House rep in their forums over this issue. |
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