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IluvMoney (banned)
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2015-Sep-24 2:00 pm
When Dslreports IPV6 ready ??Which brings up the question of when Dslreports will be IPV6 ready ?? |
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Humax BGW320-500
Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway
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It's happening |
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 whfsdude
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Re: When Dslreports IPV6 ready ??said by IluvMoney:Which brings up the question of when Dslreports will be IPV6 ready ?? It's being worked on. » Offer site on an ipv6 IP addressIf you want to help test it out, » ipv6.dslreports.com/ |
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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n2jtx
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2015-Sep-24 2:15 pm
IPv6 LimitIn contrast, IPv6 uses 128-bit addresses, providing 3.4 x 1038 available addresses (roughly 340 undecillion), which should cover the planet's needs for just a little while longer. But throw in a moon base or martian colony and we will have to create subnets to those locations. At least we will have time (or at least that is what we thought when IPv4 was rolled out). |
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WHT
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2015-Sep-24 2:15 pm
Corperations With Wide Swath of IP4 Address19.0.0.0/8 Ford Motor Company
3.0.0.0/8 General Electric
9.0.0.0/8 IBM
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
34.0.0.0/8 Halliburton
44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio
48.0.0.0/8 Prudential Securities
We could start releases some of those addresses. Does Ford *really* need that many addresses???? |
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This has been discussed to death, there is no mechanism in place to take those blocks back.
Even if we did it would barely buys us any time.
Edit: About a month per block even if we got the whole /8 back. so yeah, not worth it. |
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 tshirt
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tshirt
Premium Member
2015-Sep-24 2:27 pm
said by Napsterbater:...there is no mechanism in place to take those blockS back. No mechanism to TAKE them, but they may become a valuable commodity for those that have them to resell to those that planned poorly and NOW need them as a bridge. One thing I noted in yesterday's Akimia report was v4 addressed tests for the US declined a bit. still assigned just less used. |
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said by tshirt: No mechanism to TAKE them, but they may become a valuable commodity for those that have them to resell to those that planned poorly and NOW need them as a bridge. Correct, IP address selling is already been happening for awhile. |
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 NetFixerFrom My Cold Dead Hands
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The Boro
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said by WHT:Does Ford *really* need that many addresses???? Do I *really* need 2601:483:0:4800::/56 and 2601:483:0:e300::/56 IPv6 addresses and three more /56 IPv6 networks that I am not currently using (each /56 block has 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 IP addresses)? |
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Re: IPv6 LimitActually, it's effectively 2^64 thanks to the infinite stupid of SLAAC (and the associated stupid of network admins, router programmers, etc.) Factor in the we-have-infinite-space highly wasteful subnetting... we'll be seeing this boat again much sooner than anyone thinks.
(assuming we can get people to even use the damned thing in the first place. IPv6 is 20+ years old, and I still have ISPs that don't support it. I'm looking at you Earthlink!) |
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said by cramer:Actually, it's effectively 2^64 thanks to the infinite stupid of SLAAC (and the associated stupid of network admins, router programmers, etc.) Factor in the we-have-infinite-space highly wasteful subnetting... we'll be seeing this boat again much sooner than anyone thinks. I actually kinda of agree, with you. Just like I believe if it became possible tomorrow to colonize Mars, we would fuck it up just like Earth, because "Why change, we have a whole ne place to use" |
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booya to WHT
Anon
2015-Sep-24 2:57 pm
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Re: Corperations With Wide Swath of IP4 Addresssaid by WHT:19.0.0.0/8 Ford Motor Company
3.0.0.0/8 General Electric
9.0.0.0/8 IBM
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
34.0.0.0/8 Halliburton
44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio
48.0.0.0/8 Prudential Securities
We could start releases some of those addresses. Does Ford *really* need that many addresses???? Taking away address space does not fix anything. The only thing to fix things is to add more address space and that cannot be done with IPv4. |
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this... i intimately know dozens of small businesses with 10 to 255 blocks, and they only use 2-4 of them at most. there is a lot of IP4 hoarding going on all over the world. |
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Re: When Dslreports IPV6 ready ??Working for me. Thanks for link. » ipv6.dslreports.com 2607:fad0:32:a017:0:1:0:1000 » i.dslr.net 64.91.254.210 » cdnjs.cloudflare.com 198.41.215.7 » i.dslr.net 64.91.254.210 |
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Re: Corperations With Wide Swath of IP4 Addresssaid by Packeteers:this... i intimately know dozens of small businesses with 10 to 255 blocks, and they only use 2-4 of them at most. there is a lot of IP4 hoarding going on all over the world. Do some of them use BGP with more then one ISP? A /24 (254 addresses) is required when multihoming on IPv4 with BGP as everyone filters anything smaller then a /24. So even if they NAT everything, you still have to have the whole 254 address block. |
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The only thing in Amateur Radio that really uses IPv4 now is Dstar and they used 10.0.0.0/8 addresses.
If you reclaimed those /8s and reclaimed that's being squared on in other /8s you might get another year or two and then you will right back where you are now. |
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join:2002-03-26
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said by Napsterbater:said by Packeteers:this... i intimately know dozens of small businesses with 10 to 255 blocks, and they only use 2-4 of them at most. there is a lot of IP4 hoarding going on all over the world. Do some of them use BGP with more then one ISP? A /24 (254 addresses) is required when multihoming on IPv4 with BGP as everyone filters anything smaller then a /24. So even if they NAT everything, you still have to have the whole 254 address block. Not sure I understand the connection between your reply and Packeteers. I took his post to mean companies are hoarding lots of /24's (or whatever mask he was referring to). I do agree lots of companies with an /8 are only using a small fraction of it. Wish I could remember where, but I read an article a couple years back showing how much address space inside each /8 is either un-used or not visible externally... and in some cases, have no route announcements at all. (for a while, spammers and other miscreants were hijacking non-announced space) |
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I've got a /32 and I can't get anyone interested in IPv6. When I talk to IT Directors / CIOs / CTOs / etc. I get a blank stare about IPv6. No one seems to be in any kind of hurry to move to IPv6.
I think the biggest confusion is NAT or the lack there of. |
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But again, you cannot reclaim legacy space. So there is no point in the what ifs.. |
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There was a defunct dialup ISP around here that held on to a /18 for years and years after they sold out. I lost track of who owns that space now but I'm pretty sure it wound up in the hands of a hoarder. |
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(Software) OPNsense
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to rebus9
said by rebus9:Not sure I understand the connection between your reply and Packeteers. I took his post to mean companies are hoarding lots of /24's (or whatever mask he was referring to). I think your right, I first took it to mean blocks of 10 to 255 addresses, he may mean 10 - 255 /24's or whatever. |
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True. If you can't reclaim it they should not be allowed to profit on it either but we both know that won't happen. |
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said by battleop:True. If you can't reclaim it they should not be allowed to profit on it either but we both know that won't happen. But if they cant profit, then they really have no reason to give it up. |
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booya to battleop
Anon
2015-Sep-24 3:30 pm
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said by battleop:True. If you can't reclaim it they should not be allowed to profit on it either but we both know that won't happen. Of course it won't happen because it is insane. |
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Class A network blocks are like AT&T and Verizon being give A/B cellular blocks. First ones in get the goodies.
When those were issued, nobody even considered IPv4 addresses scarce, and they still aren't. Verizon and AT&T have them also, so they are in no rush to go to IPv6. Why bother if you don't have to, nobody really uses them. A vast majority of business still use IPv4, and most DNS resolution. It will take a very long time.
My FiOS you can fart, Verizon could give two s**ts about IPv6. |
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Looks like my ISP has finally woken up.My non-US ISP has finally stopped saying "we have enough V4 addresses for predicted growth" and is finally letting the great unwashed have IPv6 enabled on their accounts as part of a trial.
I don't yet have it active, so I'm not sure of the technical details, but it's a huge step forward - and it now makes them one of like three ISPs here that have publicised any attempt at consumer grade IPv6
edit: Looks like the three biggest ISPs here are finally trialling IPv6 for consumer deployment. I wonder how they've all had the same epiphany |
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Re: Corperations With Wide Swath of IP4 AddressMakes you wonder how many millions of addresses sit unused. Cell phone networks all use nat so cant blame them. |
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said by djnrg787:Makes you wonder how many millions of addresses sit unused. Cell phone networks all use nat so cant blame them. And thanks to IPv6 they wont have to anymore and users will have a better experience.. |
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 maartenaElmo
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said by WHT:19.0.0.0/8 Ford Motor Company
3.0.0.0/8 General Electric
9.0.0.0/8 IBM
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
15.0.0.0/8 Hewlett-Packard
34.0.0.0/8 Halliburton
44.0.0.0/8 Amateur Radio
48.0.0.0/8 Prudential Securities
We could start releases some of those addresses. Does Ford *really* need that many addresses???? Of course they don't need that many. But it is done, they have it, and there isn't much you can do about it. They own the addresses, and there is no legal option to confiscate them back. Nor is it really needed, just issue IPv6 addresses from now on. Obviously this ALSO means that if you want to start a new municipal fiber rollout, you will be a new ISP/company, and you won't be able to get IP addresses, unless you lease them from someone else. If Ford want to make some MONEY, they will restrict their external traffic to 19.1.x.x (that is 64,000+ IP's, not counting .0 and .255), and lease out 19.2 through 19.255  |
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established ISPs don't really careA lot of established ISPs in Europe and America don't really give a damn. They've got lots of reserve addresses, even to accommodate growth for the foreseeable future even without any extra NAT, and IPv6 support is still buggy here and there. I've disconnected my U-verse in 2012, yet, at least according to whois, my /27 might still not have been reclaimed from my account.
Besides, there are basically still no resources that are available only over IPv6. P2P is the killer app of IPv6, but it's not like ISPs like P2P traffic all that much. |
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