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Adoption..This isn't going to hurt really adoption. The fact that its actually even available through broadcast is a pretty huge step. With the amount of money it costs the company in upgrades and the fact that they are first to market with a broadcast 4k channel is why they are/can force you to the higher tiers of service..
Give it a little and more channels will be available and they will drop requirements for the top tiers.. I wouldnt be surprised to see a 4K package they put together for those people. |
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ptrowskiGot Helix? Premium Member join:2005-03-14 Woodstock, CT |
ptrowski
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2016-Apr-6 8:49 am
I would love to agree, but this is starting to smell a bit like the 3D fad. |
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4K is already live!Correction... Not soon, DirecTV already launched. The channels were available to customers as of yesterday.
104 DirecTV 4k Channel 105 DirecTV 4k PPV 106 DirecTV Events Channel (This is where the masters will be)
You can find out more at DirecTV.com/4k
Also, DirecTV is more in line to offer 4k content than any other provider. An LNB swap will be required due to new reverse band frequencies that will be used to deliver 4k content in the future. Now bring on Nasa 4k and ESPN 4K! |
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jorcmg
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2016-Apr-6 8:57 am
TreadmillI'm holding out for the far groovier 8k...or maybe 16k. 4k is so 2014. Anyone seen my 3d goggles. |
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Re: Adoption..I agree with you ptrowski. Going from SD to HD was a BIG change visually. HD to 4K not so much. That's not to say it's not a jump, just not like going from SD to HD.
I just don't see a big demand for it unless you see the providers start to degrade their HD either on purpose to push people to 4K or even just because they will now need a ton more space to do more 4K. |
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HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968. Premium Member join:2000-09-20 Mission, TX |
I think it's about time...to go buy a couple of HD antennas and just go with OTA HD from my local stations. Your "entertainment services" are almost as much as a lease payment on a car. |
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bobjohnson Premium Member join:2007-02-03 Spartanburg, SC |
to ILikeTech
Re: Adoption..said by ILikeTech:This isn't going to hurt really adoption. The fact that its actually even available through broadcast is a pretty huge step. With the amount of money it costs the company in upgrades and the fact that they are first to market with a broadcast 4k channel is why they are/can force you to the higher tiers of service..
Give it a little and more channels will be available and they will drop requirements for the top tiers.. I wouldnt be surprised to see a 4K package they put together for those people. Old DirecTV would have made it a $5 add-on or something, T's version not so much. This does set the standard for the other providers and will hurt adoption in the long run. |
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BroadcastOp
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2016-Apr-6 9:42 am
1080p???"Still, DirecTV's 4K's efforts are well ahead of most cable operators, many of which are still struggling to even offer 1080p HD content."
stuggling???? There's no effort or desire from networks or cable companies to even offer something that has little compatibility with large installed base of "up to 1080i" cable boxes and TVs. 1080p is not on the roadmap for any linear content provider PERIOD!!!!!! |
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scotsAre we there yet?? Premium Member join:1999-12-06 Raleigh, NC |
scots
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2016-Apr-6 9:24 am
Didn't cost me anything extraDIRECTV replaced my HR34 Genie with the HR54 and installed the C61K (I didn't need the C61K, but that's a whole other story) at zero cost and no contract. Plus, I was already subscribed to the Ultimate programming package. The 4K channels have been live for 2 or 3 days now. |
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Re: Adoption..They also say by the time 4K becomes big, 8K will be in full swing. I recently bought a new 65" TV, but just couldn't justify the additional $500 for a 4K set right now. Besides the fact that the picture was so sharp it kind of hurt my eyes. Go figure. |
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Dubious ...3D all over again. Very little is produced in 4K, not unlike 3D. And the bandwidth required for transmission is lacking. It will remain a niche curiosity, and if more widely adopted it will be compressed out the butt as HD has become. Next. |
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maartenaElmo Premium Member join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA |
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Re: Treadmillsaid by jorcmg:I'm holding out for the far groovier 8k...or maybe 16k. 4k is so 2014. Anyone seen my 3d goggles. It's Japan's plan to have 8k live to many households before the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo, which are going to be recorded/broadcasted in 8k. |
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Re: Adoption..I don't think it's the same. 4K will catch on but at a much slower rate than HD did. The price of 4K TVs will come down to the same price as an HD TV and then as people replace their existing TVs they will buy 4K TVs.
This is just part of the early adopter tax. If you want it right now, right this minute, you are going to pay for it.
Does anyone remember the $1200 CD players that were a fad? What about the $1000 DVD players? How many said they would never give up their VCR for a DVD player?
Eventually in the next few years you will not be able to buy anything but 4K. |
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juilinsandarTexas Gooner Premium Member join:2000-07-17 San Benito, TX |
This is niche like 3D tvUntil all channels available, not just a few select ones, are broadcast in 4k, then this will stay a niche gimmick for videophiles. |
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Re: Adoption..I've not bought a 4K TV yet because there isn't anything wrong with my current HD TV. When that TV dies I will replace it with something that's 4K but I'm not going to replace it just for the sake of replacing it. |
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Re: Dubious ...It's use will be in special events (Super Bowl, NCAA Championship games) and movies. I think it will be a long time before it see it pop up on the Discovery Channel, History, etc. |
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Re: TreadmillThe minute I heard they were developing 4k and 8k at the same time I knew they were boning the consumer again. And at this point half the country here can't get a 720p picture without it stopping to buffer. |
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Re: Adoption..said by Chuck_IV:I agree with you ptrowski. Going from SD to HD was a BIG change visually. HD to 4K not so much. That's not to say it's not a jump, just not like going from SD to HD. Yes, actually the biggest changes with "HD" that pushed people to replace their old SDTVs was not the higher resolution/definition, but the wider 16:9 aspect ratio and the flat panel "hang-on-the-wall" design of those first LCD HDTV sets. With the new 4K/UHD panels, those physical aspects remain unchanged from the older HDTV sets. The only really noticeable change, if you move some distance away from them, is the introduction of "High Dynamic Range" (HDR) with most of them: » www.techradar.com/us/new ··· -1280990 |
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ptrowskiGot Helix? Premium Member join:2005-03-14 Woodstock, CT |
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Oh I think it will get there eventually, but we put the cart before the horse here with a lack of content. It's getting better but right now I see no reason to upgrade my 1.5 year old plamsa TV plus a new receiver. |
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2016-Apr-6 10:07 am
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DVD-As and SACDs were thing that never took off. The next big thing might be HDR as opposed to UHD. |
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Re: TreadmillI've seen NHK's 8k demo a couple of times at tradeshows and it is certainly impressive. Not only the video, but also the audio, which is something like 22.2 (22 surround speakers and two subwoofers) if I remember correctly. |
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if the Olympics are going to be recorded in 8K, maybe the IOC will have some pull in getting America rewired with fiber so we can watch it. |
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Re: Adoption..said by telcodad:Yes, actually the biggest changes with "HD" that pushed people to replace their old SDTVs was not the higher resolution/definition, but the wider 16:9 aspect ratio and the flat panel "hang-on-the-wall" design of those first LCD HDTV sets. I remember reading a survey several years ago in the UK that highlighted how many people were "amazed" by the improved picture quality of their new HDTVs even though it turned out they only had them connected through coax or composite and were really watching SD. The UK had gone to 16:9 with CRT TVs several years before, so it was probably the flatness, and the corresponding option for a larger screen size, that gave the "wow" factor. |
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Re: I think it's about time...said by Harddrive:to go buy a couple of HD antennas and just go with OTA HD from my local stations. Your "entertainment services" are almost as much as a lease payment on a car. Not to mention getting OTA is uncompressed as opposed to anything that comes from dish or cable. |
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Re: 4K is already live!said by captinkirk:Now bring on Nasa 4k and ESPN 4K! ESPN just needs to die. They're the reason most of our cable/sat bills are ridiculous. |
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djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV ·AT&T FTTP
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djrobx
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2016-Apr-6 10:22 am
4K TV's aren't really that expensiveIf you've shelled out that kind of money for 4K this may not be that big of a deal Last year my Samsung 1080p plasma TV died (it was only two years old! grr). I had to replace it with something. The 4K TV I bought was about half the price that I paid for the plasma just two years prior, and was about the same cost as upper-end models of some other 1080p TVs. On sale it was less than $1000 for a 65" TV. I'm sure DirecTV will eventually make a Genie that has built in 4k support. You don't need the Genie Mini if you have a DirecTV RVU compatible 4k TV. Myself, I don't really care. I've seen some 4K content. It's good but it's a very incremental improvement, nothing like when we went from standard definition to high definition. I think they should just allocate more bandwidth to the existing HD streams if they care about quality. I'm reasonably happy with DirecTV's picture quality though. The only exception is AMC / The Walking Dead; that looks like total garbage. I believe that's a source (AMC) problem though. |
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Re: I think it's about time...said by Harddrive:to go buy a couple of HD antennas and just go with OTA HD from my local stations. Your "entertainment services" are almost as much as a lease payment on a car. Must be a Kia! |
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maartenaElmo Premium Member join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA |
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Re: Treadmillsaid by joeMI:if the Olympics are going to be recorded in 8K, maybe the IOC will have some pull in getting America rewired with fiber so we can watch it. I doubt it. The OBS will already record the Olympics in 4k (They did partially in 2012) but it is up to the broadcasters to pick it up. NHK, Japan's national broadcaster, is bringing in 8k camera's with OBS's permission to start testing 8k for their own Olympics in 2020. But the IOC and OBS isn't going to change corporations in America to rewire the country. They don't have the means, the funds, or the power to do so. They were smart to form the OBS at the dawn of HD and Internet Video (they formed in 2001) because they saw an opportunity to centralize and modernize the recording and broadcasting of the Olympics, but it will be up to each individual country to get them to the houses. In the US the rights are owned by NBC. And they aren't going to change the world for a 2-week sporting event. Hell, they won't even change west coast affiliates programming so west coast can watch the Olympics live because they are "bound by contractual agreements with the affiliates" so the west coast once again sees everything on a 3-hour delay while the internet and social media goes wild when the US wins another gold medal 3 hours before we get a chance to see it on TV. Awesome. |
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Re: Adoption..How about the 1000 dollar VHS players?? |
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Re: TreadmillJapanese people sit closer to the TV, so they may get the benefit |
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