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Comments on news posted 2016-04-13 16:30:02: For many years we've tracked Chattanooga, Tennessee's attempt to wire the entire city with fiber to the home using the local public utility, Electric Power Board (EPB, see our user reviews). ..

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floydb1982
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Computers can't go that fast.

No consumer desktop or laptop can hit such speeds. It will be 200 million for nothing.

VegasMan
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Re: Computers can go that fast.

Business can use it. I would think that is the plan behind it.
You build the infrastructure, they will come.
Joe12345678
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100-Gig to the fiber split?

100-Gig to the fiber split?

there are 100-gig line cards for routers. But no 1 server really can make use of that.
shanghaista
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Re: Computers can go that fast.

said by floydb1982:

Computers can go that fast.

So you mean "can't"...
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10x10Gbit computers or 100x1Gbit computers for companies/schools. On paper is plausible.

But this is just a roadmap statement, not announcement they'll be deploying soon.

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Re: 100-Gig to the fiber split?

said by Joe12345678:

there are 100-gig line cards for routers. But no 1 server really can make use of that.

Don't be so sure of that.

»www.silicom-usa.com/100_ ··· 00G2DQIR

XNemesis
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Meanwhile in Canada...

The CRTC (Our FCC) thinks 5/1 is forward thinking.
ISurfTooMuch
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Re: Computers can go that fast.

No, it isn't appropriate for home use, but large businesses certainly can use it. Think server farms, schools (especially universities), medical facilities (digital imaging can use lots of bandwidth), etc. This is a city that's reinventing itself from a manufacturing and transportation hub, and, so far, they seem to have done a good job at it. Cost of living is relatively low, so they may want to use that, coupled with a super-fast network, to entice businesses to relocate. A while back, I'd heard that they wanted a high-speed rail link with Atlanta, which, as you probably know, has one of the busiest airports in the country. With a rail link to Atlanta, someone living in Chattanooga could hop on a train, transfer to a MARTA train in Atlanta, arrive at ATL, and board a flight to pretty much anywhere they want to go. It'd be like living in Atlanta, except with a much lower cost of living.
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Re: Meanwhile in Canada...

finale i can get 4k content fast and make it to. then also host a few server.

tshirt
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I seem to remember...

...in an earlier story/thread (perhaps the one on the 10 gig upgrade?) that EPB lacks the backhaul/contracts for less then their total 1 gig customer base are actual promised by quite a bit
everyone can understand higher contention ratios are what makes residential gig+ HSI affordable/possible to offer at current prices even with fiber, but when you turn the hype to 11 with roadmap/'soon" like PR, incredulity sets in. it's not that they can't do it, but it certainly isn't going to be widely supported, affordable, or available to the average Joe.

"and has roughly 6,000 gigabit customers today. "

I'd rather see them TRY to serve 60,000 or 600,000 at lesser speeds instead.
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Re: Computers can go that fast.

said by floydb1982:

No consumer desktop or laptop can hit such speeds. It will be 200 million for nothing.

but what if you have 15 kids living in your 5 sub basement levels, racing to download the internet? You NEED this!
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Agreed. It is hard to see any scenario in which more than 1 Gbps per user could possibly be needed in the next ten years.
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said by VegasMan:

Business can use it.

Maybe data centers can use it, but you'll find that many businesses have Internet connections considerably slower than the average household. Typically they go for reliability and availability over speed, which is why T1s are still prevalent.
dot854jc
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200 million was to originally build the network. Not for 100gbps internet.
floydb1982
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Oops I corrected it.
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Re: I seem to remember...

said by tshirt:

I'd rather see them TRY to serve 60,000 or 600,000 at lesser speeds instead.

they cant expand.
also fiber is the only future which has virtually unlimited capacity, so if the choice was serving full fiber or dsl to 600,000 customers, id prefer to see them slowly expand with fiber, even though they cant.

maybe people should look at this as if the company is a huge monopoly they will do nothing to upgrade a bunch of small areas at once, just look at at&t where they call a whole city as "gigabit available" and only offer it to 1 neighborhood in the entire city. If companies had a smaller footprint its easier to manage/upgrade/maintain.

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said by videomatic3:

...they cant expand.

Sure they can.
{A- prohibition is against using electric funds for broadband
{B- they own the IP of valuable rollout experience/model of THIS roll out, to something like this.
It may not be the EPB nameplate, or not even the same company, but there is POTENTIAL value for them to RE-PAY the investors/LOCAL community for taking the risk.
They CAN expand the IDEA for PROFIT.

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Re: Computers can go that fast.

Not totally true. Because otherwise that area would have businesses pounding down their door. What is true though is you don't need fiber in a city to attract major businesses. Look at CLT they only have U-Verse and TWC and BoA has been moving everything there. The DoD is moving major research facilities to UNCC. And yet still ZERO ftth. GF only decided after words which still won't be in much of the area since the upper scale areas have everything under ground.

Btw- Where is Provo? Or the other areas and the massive businesses? I don't see them moving.

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I can't think of a single business in Chattanooga that they would sell it to that could use it. Last I heard they were using a 40g and a 10g for backup.
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"On paper"
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We're finally seeing T1 for data dropping off in favor of 10-20 pm fiber. We're still turning T1s up daily but they are mostly carrying VoIP traffic now.
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"Think server farms"

If you might compete with EPB you won't get it at a reasonable price. EPB does collocation so they are not going to sell it to you at a the same rate they might sell it to another type of business. If you want BGP and you compete expect to pay a considerably higher price.
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More like $750M so far. The $200m was the pre FTTH network.

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FTTH is here... just not from AT&T or TWC. And mostly not in NC side of Charlotte. It's on the SC side of the border. Provided by the ILEC there - Comporium. Basically every new development built after 2006 is FTTH. They gigabit enabled all their existing fiber infrastructure last year (had to swap out a good many old ONUs from a now-defunct fiber equipment provider to do it).

Coverage map is on their website: »www.zipstreambroadband.com/

And Google is wiring up and turning up the first apartment/condo complexes in Charlotte near Southpark over the next month.
quisp65
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$200 million for 6000 customers?

$200 million for 6000 customers? That's $33,333 a household! What a deal!

I think cities need to concentrate on bringing competition rather than create expensive city run monopolies.
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Re: 100-Gig to the fiber split?

said by Simba7:

said by Joe12345678:

there are 100-gig line cards for routers. But no 1 server really can make use of that.

Don't be so sure of that.

»www.silicom-usa.com/100_ ··· 00G2DQIR

Dual port Fiber 100 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express Content Director Server Adapter IntelĀ® based

Very big difference there. It is not a simple 100-gig card as yo make it sound.
On top of cost prohibitive for everyday Jack and Jane
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Re: $200 million for 6000 customers?

If the monopoly constitutes reliable gigabit symmetric fiber, as long as they don't jack the rates (or if they do, as long as they don't jack them too high), it's worth it. How many public monopolies are willing to offer FTTH of any speed tier for a reasonable price in areas where there's zero incentive to compete? To me the end point is to have municipalities compete with telcos and cable cos, and last I checked, there was general unanimous agreement regardless of anyone's background or affiliation that more competition is good. It's when lobbyists and politicians take a verbal dump all over crowds and it roughly translates to "You're not allowed to create new competition, there's already plenty!" with all of the evidence pointing to no or next-to-no competition that everything goes to pot. We need MORE cities competing with the companies that hire those lobbyists and pay off those politicians, not less. Hell, don't even stop there, find some way for the cities to work with the counties (possibly with funding assistance from the state governments) to get anyone out in the under-/unserved middle-of-nowhere areas in on the action, too, though keep it on an on-demand basis so they don't go so far in the red in initial buildouts. Maybe call it No Megabyte Left Behind.
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Re: Computers can go that fast.

I think a lot of those businesses connections are also truly unlimited data transfer usage, which is another attraction. The connection may be only 10 Mbps symmetrical, but the contact really would allow (10 Mbps/8 bit per byte) x 60 sec x 60 min x 24 hours x 365 days of data transfer usage per year. 49.275 TB per year = 4.10625 TB per month. In real life the various limitations that exist in the world of data transfer usage might combine to significantly reduce that, so you might only get 0.82125 TB per month usage or 9.855 TB per year usage.
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Re: Meanwhile in Canada...

It could be that your CRTC wants to put more emphasis on areas that are stuck with dial-up or DSL that has performance similar to dial-up. They might think that the areas with good competition do not need any nudges to have offers in the double digits.
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Re: $200 million for 6000 customers?

No! That is just the number of 1 Gbps subscribers. They have many more at the 100 Mbps level. They would have even more if they offered 10 Mbps at a fair price.
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