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Comments on news posted 2016-09-19 08:30:02: After the Nashville city council recently voted to overhaul pole attachment rules to speed up delivery of Google Fiber to the city, AT&T and Comcast lobbyists have muddied the water by introducing their own, competing ordinances says one city council.. ..


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AT&T...

American Thugs & Thieves.

And Comcrap is no better.
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its because they are scared that everyone is going to jump ship to google fiber and they will loose their hold in these states and they should be scared this is what happens when you provide shitty service and data caps and don't invest in new technologies or spend more money to upgrade existing infrastructure copper is dead in my mind and it died a long time ago fiber is the future

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Just because they proposed a new ordinance doesn't mean that it will get passed! Headlines of the article saying that they are introducing rules is very misleading in this case. Louisville also passed a "one touch make ready rule" and AT&T has already filed a lawsuit trying to negate it.

It's funny how a set of trying to improve their service AT&T and Comcast are both just putting others coming into the business. Competition is good for the consumers but this demonstrates how bad it is for the incumbent providers.

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The power of the corporation

It just goes to the root cause of the problem. Corporations buy politicians. In the old days, the politicians worked for the voters. Today they don't even try and make the appearance of working for the voters, they do what the corporations tell them too do. Money corrupts, more money corrupts even more. To start, EVERY elected official should have a 2 term limit. Second, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE, and should not be allowed to buy politicians.

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Lobbying, Bribery.. Same thing as far as I'm concerned.

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said by karlmarx:

Corporations buy politicians

said by karlmarx:

CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE

and Google is a corporation (wholly owned by Alphabet, a very large for profit corporation) therefore Google should not be allowed to buy the favor of politicians either. Right?
good for goose and gander equally.

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right

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"The council generally functions as a parliamentary or congressional style legislative body, proposing bills, holding votes, and passing laws to help govern the city."

So, what makes AT&T think Nashville CC can't make these changes? City Manager involved in this at all? Who sunk the poles to start with and for whom?

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said by tc1uscg:

Who sunk the poles to start with and for whom?

And who gave the telco the money to help them do that?

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Re: The power of the corporation

Who decided to break up the phone company , if it would have stayed regulated everybody would have broadband . They would have been forced to reinvest 25% of their profits back into the infrastructure , like they used to .
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Re: The power of the corporation

Old Conservative Republicans are to blame. You also have the 1996 Telecom Act which backfired, and starting in around 1997 - 2000 or so it was only fitting for every other big company to buy another company out, therefore merging.

In 1983 no less than 50 companies owned 90 percent of all the mainstream media. Today only six companies own 90 percent. With that much leeway between those few it's obvious they are going to abuse their power and post misleading propaganda.

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said by tc1uscg:

Who sunk the poles to start with and for whom?

And who gave the telco the money to help them do that?

Having worked for a large long distance and wireless provider, the money comes from it's customers and the part you want to hear, some might even come from the govt as some form of subsidy. But still, who approves the ability to operate within the city? Who gives the permits to establish a route or poles within said city? The fed's might give them money, but in the end, the city appears to be holding the cards.
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Disregard...

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said by karlmarx:

CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE, and should not be allowed to buy politicians.

No one should be allowed to buy a politician. IMO that's called bribery, and should be punishable by capital punishment.

"Ok so judge how do you put the needle into a corporation?"
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I agree, except for the part about term limits. Many people have discovered that term limits don't help, and often make things even worse, because of the high cost of campaigning for office and the need to find ways to pay for it. »www.google.com/search?q= ··· nningham

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Yep! Over in Missouri their Senator (R) Roy Blunt's wife and 3 sons are lobbyists and he states there is not a conflict of interest!!
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I'm not a huge supporter of AT&T or Comcast....buuuuut.

All the hand wringing about companies "buying" politicians is rich since this is a case of two side each trying to buy the middle.

AT&T may be trying to get a competitive advantage through legislation (or in this case, stopping legislation). But isn't Google doing the same thing? They are not the "good guy" in this deal.

Google comes off like a little crybaby bitch because they can't find a cost effective way to install their facilities under the same rules that everyone else was able to work with going back many years. Google wants a special exemption that their competitors never needed nor asked for.

They sound like a whiney high school student complaining that the test was unfair when he finds out he was the only kid in the class that flunked it.

Maybe Google just doesn't know what hell they are doing.
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You are kidding right?

Who was there trying to stop AT&T and Comcast from running their cables (with tax payer incentives)?

Oh that's right, NOBODY. They got to do what they wanted and are now in control and trying to prohibit others from competing with them because they can.
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ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

But unlike in times past, everything else takes a backseat.
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The majority of the politicans who support his typically have an R next to their name. Republicans don't have one single consumer policy in nearly 3 decades.

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Unable to compete in the marketplace

So they compete by legislation and regulation.

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At&t 76% error rate

According to an article I saw, at&t lost a lawsuit with tower company last year. There, they apparently indicated a 76% error rate in industry construction drawings as their defense. (Tower company apparently used at&t's construction drawings which were wrong.). Don't know if Google fiber's error rate is as high as at&t's.

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At&t 76% error rate (2)

Come to think of it:. Someone could collect at&t's arguments/defenses and see them argue both sides of every situation. Reminds me of Hillary's email arguments. One minute their not, then they are.....
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AT&T and Comcast helped elected official write plan to stall Google Fiber

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Weiner told Ars that she asked AT&T and Comcast to propose a resolution.

"I told them that I would file a resolution if they had something that made sense and wasn't as drastic as OTMR," Weiner told Ars in an e-mail today, when we asked her what role AT&T and Comcast played in drafting the resolution. Weiner said she is insisting on some changes to the resolution, but the proposal (full text) was submitted without those changes.

When asked why she didn't put her suggested changes in the version of the resolution published on the council website, Weiner said, "I had them [AT&T and Comcast] submit it for me as I was out of town all last week on business (my day job)." Weiner said an edited resolution will be considered by the council during its next meeting.

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»arstechnica.com/tech-pol ··· e-fiber/

(Asked later for comment, a TT&A representative stated: Listen, we've been in the communications business for some 140 years. How do you think legislation gets written, anyway? Heck, the legislators who we own can barely write their own names. Pardon our dust!)
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Every one of them orta be drug out into the street and beaten silly.. See this is what i'm talking about when I mention forcing ATT and pals to build out and at least have usable caps.. But then folks like to say its a free market and all that bullcrap when its clearly not a free market.. Wake the hell up sheep, dump your att/comcast fanboy crap and realize your being screwed.

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The cat is out of the bag...

I think it's "too late" -- all these efforts, legal 'battles, etc are just going to delay the inevitable. Google did the public a huge favor even though they haven't really covered much ground themselves.

The public is now becoming aware of Fiber in a Practical way,.. for so long people have heard of fiber optics as some uber future technology but never really knew how it would practically benefit them among other things. Now with Google Fiber,.. and the pulling the "GPON" (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) out of the bag and into the hands of the public on a practical level -- It's caused other companies to join in -- The Largest being AT&T with the agreed upon 12,500,000 minimum Gigabit fiber deployment to be completed ~3 years from now.

On top of that.. even more pronounced is all the media attention and thus public awareness generated by "Google Fiber, Gigapower , even some cable providers pushing out Gigabit D3.1 " in the press. Then these same companies further generating even more press with these efforts to stop or at least slow down the efforts of other(s).

Obviously this doesn't automatically translate into people getting pitchforks and marching to demand this in the millions lol.. but this is dramatic shift vs. 4-5 years ago and this will continue to be a 'news' item at least until 2020 due to AT&T deploying Gigapower till then (and longer if they don't hit their deadline).

I do wish adjudication was served on the side of the people and these lawsuits would all be defeated essentially because it's the 'right thing to do'. Unless the legal adjudicators are being paid off,.. they don't have a dog in the fight so why not lean towards the benefit of the people in the city/state etc you serve? Though I suppose they aren't overly educated in the technology and therefore here two sides which if argued well can both seem in the best 'interests' of the people. (Yes I know the suits are based on interests on the companies assets/equipment etc) -- but they are quite easy to see right through and should be ruled against on merit alone.