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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.No it is not false, it is the same thing as if you drive 60MPH for 60 seconds you will only go one mile. Not mean if I go 60MPH for a set time I can go infinite miles. |
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said by NorcalTech:It is estimated that Verizon has over 12,500 towers in the U.S., and considering the cheapest 100GBase CFP's are around $2,500 it gets pricey. 20 X CFP =$50,000 (100Gb x 10 = 1Tb, one for each side). $50,000 x 12,500 sites = $625,000,000 just for the optics. Now add in the switches and routers, it ends up being a little more than a drop in the bucket. 625m seems like a lot, but not when you are looking at a company that had a profit of 4.2 billion dollars.......in just the 2nd quarter. :P |
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Re: WhateverThose of us, like myself, who still have grandfathered plans. |
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said by brantman:Those of us, like myself, who still have grandfathered plans. These grandfathered plans are quite shit when compared to the offering of other carriers current plans. Edit: For the negative votes, I pay $100 for two totally unlimited T-Mobile lines. I've used in excess of 200GB on these lines before and never had an issue. I also have totally unlimited everything plus free international roaming. Not to mention, my unlimited calls sound 4 times as clear as any verizon service. But yes, I don't get coverage in the middle of nowhere, places where Verizon apparently works. |
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The question is more for the hundreds of millions who live in metro areas that have solid alternatives like Sprint or T-Mobile. |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.Nope - not incorrect at all. Your theoretical maximum transfer limit over time is governed by the capacity of the connection - regardless of transport medium. It is never truly unlimited.
But that's a different issue to the one of data caps - which is one way that certain providers (and not just in the US or in areas with uncompetitive telecoms industries) try to reduce demand. They do work - when you've got xGB to play with, you're going to hold off on binging on Netflix or downloading those Linux ISOs. Demand on the network decreases, speeds rise.
Not everyone with an "unlimited data plan" is trying to rack up the GBs, but some are - and those are a huge problem for the network operators. |
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Needs changeIf Verizon loses subscribers at alarming rates, because all its traditional mobile carriers deliver well on Unlimited Data, Verizon will change its tune. It would have to. Right now, Verizon has this arrogant position because it can. |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.The issue is you're looking at it differently and falling for the B.S. that ISP's feed you. While your speed may be limited on that road, the road is capable of allowing you to drive on it an infinite amount of times (although obviously both a road and Internet pipelines would need to be maintained so that they could move cars or data).
You can move however much data you'd like. Infinitely or unlimited over the Internet. The issue is speed and space. The space limitation has been resolved. Data can be moved, removed, compressed etc. Speed is the only true limitation of our connections now. You can move as much data as you like, always could. Now, if you take a specific amount of time and throw that in as a limitation, while yes you have effectively put a limit on the amount of data that can be moved over a specific time frame. That is a man-made limitation forced strictly for revenue. All of this doesn't really matter though because as I've already said, ISP's already offer unlimited data and prove it's entirely feasible. |
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said by ohreally:Nope - not incorrect at all. Your theoretical maximum transfer limit over time is governed by the capacity of the connection - regardless of transport medium. It is never truly unlimited.
But that's a different issue to the one of data caps - which is one way that certain providers (and not just in the US or in areas with uncompetitive telecoms industries) try to reduce demand. They do work - when you've got xGB to play with, you're going to hold off on binging on Netflix or downloading those Linux ISOs. Demand on the network decreases, speeds rise.
Not everyone with an "unlimited data plan" is trying to rack up the GBs, but some are - and those are a huge problem for the network operators. The problem is you're mixing too many variables. Most of which are not real limitations of the technology, just inserted strictly for monetary gain. Unlimited data transferring is real and happens every day, week, month, year. Sure there are different speeds at which you transfer that data, but at no point does that stop you from transferring data. |
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Re: Just KiddingI have two friends and they are on family plans and are clueless about usage. Both of them have overages every month for around $50. These people are stupid. Verizon sees this and figures they can make more money on this crap. Yes I know, their new plans dont have this. They just want to make you rage quit into buying additional GBs after you nearly smash your iPhone from the 128kbps speeds. |
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Re: WhateverAgree 100%. I get to leave them FOREVER in 48 days. |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.Not if you microwave across a large area. |
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"While your speed may be limited on that road, the road is capable of allowing you to drive on it an infinite amount of times"
So you are free to pay for the infinite amount of months you would like, so even if you are capped at 1TB per month you truly are unlimited because you can count future months? On that road going that rate of speed over and exact distance it is only physically possible to travel so many miles in a given amount of time.
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When you are metering data per month then, 12:00am on the 1st to 11:59pm on the last day of the month will determine your limit. Also there are definitely real limitations to the technology, have you ever tried to get more then one Gbps of data through a 10/100/1000 NIC? If you want more than you can go to a 10Gbase link, but then you are "LIMITED" to 10Gbps. |
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I'll make sure next time I want to beat traffic to jump in the microwave first!! |
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Re: WhateverWas a VZW customer since 2003 switched to T-mobile once they decided to change my grandfathered unlimited account. |
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Don't need unlimitedYeah Shammo, I don't need arms, but they sure do help |
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Re: Whateversaid by Terabit:I don't know who is dumb enough to still be paying this carrier. I like Verizon because I like having a signal where I need one. |
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Re: Just KiddingThat price is less than what they charge now. That is why they dont want to tell you.
No one should be OK with a metered plan since their costs are not based on usage.
There is no such thing as a reasonable price for a metered plan. |
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Shoot this idiotSomeone, please just rid the poor world of this fool!!
Of course we want true unlimited data!! Damn liar!! |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.First of all, that's a speed limit. I've already pointed that out. You can still move unlimited amounts of data through that NIC, that hasn't changed.
Second, that's a time limit. While that certainly limits how much data can be moved within a time period, it's also very dependent on the speed limitation. This is not a limitation of the technology, it's a limitation imposed by man. The connection and hardware are still fully capable of moving unlimited amounts of data, you're just not allowed to because of greed.
There is no valid technical reason to put a cap on the amount of data transmitted over the pipes when there are very real technical limitations already in place (ie. Speed and time). None of that changes the fact that it's perfectly possible to offer unlimited data (and some already do). |
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Of course you can only physically travel so many miles given the amount of time. That does not negate the fact that I can still travel infinitely once the limitations of time are removed from the equation. I can travel the road infinitely at any speed.
Once again, bandwidth is not a finite resource. There is no reason to meter it at all. Time and speed provide more efficiency than limiting the amount of data directly by capping the number of bytes allowed to move through the pipes.
This isn't rocket science. |
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"This is not a limitation of the technology, " and "there are very real technical limitations already in place"
Thank you for proving my point. |
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said by NorcalTech:"This is not a limitation of the technology, " and "there are very real technical limitations already in place"
Thank you for proving my point. You took 2 comments out of context to make a point. That does not prove your point. You're welcome to twist what I said and chop pieces together in order to try to make it seem like you're right, but you're building a fallacy. You're ignoring what I've said all along and trying to apply flawed logic. Unlimited data is alive and working just fine. I'll also repeat that any limitations to a connection are man created. The technology is capable of providing unlimited data to all Internet connections. Nothing you've said changes that fact. P.S. This post was brought to you by my unlimited Internet connection where I can transfer as much data as I'd like, whenever I'd like. How's that no such thing as unlimited data working out for you? |
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Re: WhateverYeah I boycott anything Verizon since they stopped expanding FIOS. Us PA taxpayers sent them tons of money over the years and all were left is maybe 6 mbps / 768k DSL when it works.
Expand FIOS and maybe we can have a relationship Verizon. Don't expand FIOS and don't expect a dime from me for anything. |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.said by InvalidError:You may want unlimited wireless, but you won't want to pay the bill for an infrastructure capable of sustaining it at a large scale when you get it. They could build the infrastructure with the profits that already make instead of using it to buy other companies. |
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You don't have unlimited fuel, the car does not have infinite mechanical life, its drivers/passengers don't have infinite lifespan and need to eat, sleep, etc.
Everything is limited in multiple ways. |
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Once you already have the fastest equipment currently available, costs grow exponentially: if you want to stitch together 30Tbps routers to create a non-blocking 60Tbps router, you will need four such routers at a cost of a several million dollars each. Repeat the exercise across hundreds of PoPs and the bill becomes billions dollars.
If the network operators' costs rise by billions of dollars a year, their broadband plan prices will increase accordingly - they will want to maintain similar profit margins on top of their increased operating costs. |
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Re: WhateverI live in the middle of nowhere so a grandfathered unlimited plan from Verizon is a godsend for when AT&T DSL wants to crank out its unreasonably slow speed. Especially when I need to download something faster. |
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Re: There is no such thing as truly unlimited.said by InvalidError:Once you already have the fastest equipment currently available, costs grow exponentially: if you want to stitch together 30Tbps routers to create a non-blocking 60Tbps router, you will need four such routers at a cost of a several million dollars each. Repeat the exercise across hundreds of PoPs and the bill becomes billions dollars.
If the network operators' costs rise by billions of dollars a year, their broadband plan prices will increase accordingly - they will want to maintain similar profit margins on top of their increased operating costs. The above statement is way behind the times... The infrastructure is already in place. Upgrades to existing equipment happens in place, and those costs have come way way down. Now, if a ISP didn't have the infrastructure already in place then yes, long haul fiber can certainly cost a lot of money, but fortunately existing fiber can be scaled with very little cost. We recently had a situation where we upgraded to 30gigabit links full duplex, and it actually cost half as much, as when those links were originally upgraded to 10gigabit from 1 gigabit. The next move will be to 100gigabit, and the cost to upgrade from 30gigabit is right around 900 dollars per fiber run because all you have to do is change the sfps on both sides because the chassis can handle it. I realize ISP's are on a grander scale, but their costs to upgrade in place have come way down as well, and I guess that's my point. |
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