 ArrayListDevOps
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ncted
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ncted
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2018-Jan-12 8:58 am
It worked against Dish, and AT&T, and Comcast in the past. Why stop now? |
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TiVo PatientsIf these patients are valid then Comcast and Companies who use their patients have to pay TiVo or stop using the offending software/service. |
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 celeritypcFor Lucky Best Wash, Use Mr. Sparkle
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Just do it already...Why doesn't Comcast just buy Rovi already? Problem solved. |
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Because of all the operators, Comcast seems to have the best platform from the 80's and the need for dedicated proprietary hardware is dying along w/ linear cable.
I always love to read patent applications, and I think for tech 3-4 years should suffice, esp when they are granting what I call common sense patents.
This is just a new owner with a patent troll exercise.
Pick up a Roku stick and move on. |
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 IowaCowboySupermarket Hero
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Patent reform neededCongress should reform the patent system so an actual patent needed to have been filed at the time of the alleged infringement to bring a case. |
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kherr
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kherr
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2018-Jan-12 10:40 am
... as for as anyone knows .... they could have been in negotiations to resolve the problem without going to court ...... only Comcast and Tivo would know that ...
More cost effective to test the waters with one suite to test what the courts rule before all of the rest. with technology involved, i'm sure the way it was implemented was different in each case ...... different technical arguments. |
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b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
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Go get 'em Tivo!I like my Tivo and it saves me about $20 a month in cable box rent. Best part is I don't have to talk to my Tivo to change channels, just grab the remote and press a button  |
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Anonaf128
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2018-Jan-12 10:56 am
It's called extortion.Pay me or else. Even if it's legit, there is no need to burden an already overburdened legal system with frivolous nonsense. Submit to binding arbitration and be done with it. |
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Re: Go get 'em Tivo!I like Tivo too, but I wish they would just get on with what they do best and not spend so much time suing other companies over decades-old patents. |
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JChris
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Re: It's called extortion.said by Anonaf128 :Pay me or else. Even if it's legit, there is no need to burden an already overburdened legal system with frivolous nonsense. Submit to binding arbitration and be done with it. Why should they? They have every right to sue if they believe that Comcast is violating their intellectual property rights. And this is the exact kind of legal disagreement that the court system exists for. |
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kherr
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.... as the saying goes ..... 'he who invents the wheel .. gets the Cheddar ($$$$) .... '
if you 'invented' something ... would you allow other people to make it and NOT get the rewards from it .... I DIDN"T think so .... |
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JChris
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Re: Go get 'em Tivo!said by ncted:I like Tivo too, but I wish they would just get on with what they do best and not spend so much time suing other companies over decades-old patents. The money TiVo has been awarded from patent infringement lawsuits is the only thing that has keep them going all these years. They would have been out of business years ago without it. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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Re: It's called extortion.Here is the thing patents used to require you to be very specific. I could sell a wheel of a totally different design in structure and your patent does not apply to my wheel. If you use metal spokes and I use a honeycomb carbon fiber structure we have invented two different wheels.
The software world which should not even have patents allows you to patent the process and not the structure.
If real inventions worked like fake inventions(software patents) we would see fights over things as common as the ceiling fan for dumb stuff broad like "electrically powered method of air circulation". |
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Re: Just do it already...Maybe they don't want to invest $2.5 billion. » www.cnbc.com/2017/12/29/ ··· ids.html |
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Re: Go get 'em Tivo!I cannot say for sure they would have stayed in business if they had spent all that money on R&D instead of lawyers, and I am certainly in favor of them suing Dish, who literally stole the IP and represented their biggest windfall, but all of these lawsuits over things that are obvious or independently developed seem stupid. |
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kherr
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Re: It's called extortion.like any rules/laws ... people follow them as they are presented ... and as normal they can be a vague and full of loopholes .. which anyone, and EVERYONE takes advantage of.
it's up to the courts/lawmakers to rectify/clarify the issue .... until then it's what's on the books ...
one can complain and reason why they aren't right ... but if $$$ is to be made ... even you wouldn't be foolish not to take advantage of them .... I bet you take advantage of EVERY tax deduction you can, no matter how trivial or stupid they are in reality .... Look a Trump, taking a loss on HIS taxes ($B +) .. when in reality the loss was incurred by his investors. the law allowed it, and he took advantage of it. it has since been closed, but failed NOT to allow those who took advantage of it to continue applying that instance of it it.same difference .... EVERYONE plays the system. So CHANGE the system.
yes ... ideas are IDEAS and broad ... it should be the technical method of realizing that IDEA .... sometimes there is only ONE way to realize that idea ..... and those type of patents are questionable at best .... the patents in question should be the technical aspects of 'HOW' it is done, not the mere 'USE of a cellphone". don't really know "what" the actual patents involved are, or how they read. the articles only "simplifies" and say "use of a cellphone" ........
For instance going waaaaay back to the PC BIOS copyrights. the IDEA was controlling the computer to react in certain ways ... the actual code was copyrighted/patented . it could be reversed engineered (through a complicated and monitored process) to perform in the SAME way, but with original, unique code. at the time the only way to make a 'compatible' PC. but then again i read at the time that IBM mostly looked the other way to gain market share over Apple ... |
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 ScreeIn the pipe 5 by 5
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2018-Jan-12 2:58 pm
yippeeSo... like the Record button etc. in the Stream app, X1 functionality will be disabled soon too? :O |
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 jbobReach Out and Touch Someone
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Re: Go get 'em Tivo!Don't think you understand what is being affected here. |
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 SteveV
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Re: TiVo PatientsI have no love for either company but the issue for me in most of these cases is that the patent holder may know about the infringement long before they file the lawsuit but purposely waits. The motivation for waiting is a huge windfall because the infringing company now has a huge installed base of customers using the product. There really should be a time limit from the first "known" date of infringement until the suit is filed. For all I know maybe there is but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case.
But maybe the bigger issue is why some of these patents are issued to begin with. Should something like the tv guide grid (which is little more than a glorified Microsoft Excel spreadsheet grid) ever have been issued a patent?
Not to mention, how can the USPTO possibly have the expertise to understand all of the vague and ambiguously worded patent applications? |
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 EconomistThe economy, stupid
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I think the limit is 6 years and the Laches defense (exactly what you are talking about, purposely delaying suing to rack up damages) no longer applies thanks to SCOTUS (7-1). Making latches applicable to damages in patent law would take an act of Congress. |
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Re: Go get 'em Tivo!When you cannot innovate, litigate! |
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said by ncted:I cannot say for sure they would have stayed in business if they had spent all that money on R&D instead of lawyers, and I am certainly in favor of them suing Dish, who literally stole the IP and represented their biggest windfall. DISH did not steal the IP, it was EchoStar who builds DISH's devices, DISH was dragged into the suit as a codefendant. |
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said by dmk08809:When you cannot innovate, litigate! Apple is one of the most litigious companies that has ever existed. |
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They were one company when the IP was stolen. They split in 2007. » jameslong.name/echostar.html |
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 r81984Fair and Balanced
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2018-Jan-16 9:47 am
Frivolous"patents are related to pausing and resuming shows across different hardware devices; restarting live programming already in progress; select advanced DVR recording functionality; and advanced search & voice functionality."
So basically they patented 70s and 80s technology that was common in the 90s in 2017???? This is a joke. Tivo is a joke, they never invented anything. |
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BiggA
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Re: Patent reform neededYeah, a lot of patents are completely ridiculous. |
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BiggA
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2018-Jan-16 11:37 pm
Who to side with?TiVo is behaving like a patent troll, even though they also ship some products, so they aren't, by definition, a patent troll. Comcast made a crappy rip-off of TiVo instead of just licensing TiVo software like they should of... I don't like either company's actions here. |
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 DocDrewRF Medic
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DocDrew
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2018-Jan-17 12:33 am
Comcast has purged most everything TiVo/Rovi from their X1 system and TiVo is trolling more than anything now: » www.fiercecable.com/cabl ··· -x1-tech“Comcast engineers independently created our X1 products and services, and through its litigation campaign against Comcast, Rovi seeks to charge Comcast and its customers for technology Rovi didn’t create," Comcast said in a statement on Thursday.
Two months after the International Trade Commission (ITC) determined that Comcast violated two Rovi patents to create remote-recording features in X1, the TiVo-owned technology licensing subsidiary filed more lawsuits against the cable company in California and Massachusetts, claiming violations of eight additional patents.
According to the individual close to Comcast, the suits related to the ITC’s ruling that Comcast didn’t in fact violate 12 other patents included in Rovi’s 2016 complaint against Comcast. The cable company source said that the remote DVR feature in X1 was used by less than 1% of Comcast subscribers. And the cable company took the feature down last month, pending an appeal with the ITC.
Rovi, the source said, has expressed its determination to make Comcast pay technology licensing fees and is seeking greater leverage by filing additional suits relating to additional patents. Rovi Corp., which purchased TiVo Corp. in 2016 for $1.1 billion, rebranding itself as TiVo in the process, holds licenses for more than 5,000 patents and makes the bulk of its revenue from technology licensing.
Bringing the No. 1 U.S. cable operator to heel may fall in line with its business strategy. I really believe Rovi/Tivo is a huge reason everybody bailed on making 3rd party CableCard devices. Without channel guide software CableCard products were just too cumbersome to use and I'm sure licensing patents from Rovi/Tivo at decent prices to put guides on commodity products like TVs and license heavy cableboxes proved pretty much impossible. Why would they make it palatable to other companies that were going to eat into their primary market? |
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BiggA
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BiggA
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2018-Jan-17 9:46 am
I was more just looking at Comcast's X1 as a crappy rip-off of TiVo, which it is. I've never seen another DVR come even close to TiVo, all of them fall flat on their face with lousy, buggy software and a UI that's nowhere near TiVo's.
That's an interesting take on the CableCard market, but I think the bigger hurdle is not the licensing, but dumb consumers who are pre-programmed to take whatever crappy box Larry the proverbial cable guy has on his truck. |
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