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Comments on news posted 2018-10-26 07:00:03: • Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in tiny space satellites [theregister.co.uk] • Comcast nets big earnings thanks more internet subscribers [nypost.com] • Trump signs order to set U.S. ..

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Comcast Said It Won't "Rush" to Create a Major Streaming Service

Don't they already have a streaming service? The way I see it, if you can bring all the channels into one app like they do now, that is by far better than installing multiple apps from multiple channels.

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yeah, was funny reading that "statement"

since they own the content other streamers must buy.

it's like reading how an oil refinery isn't in a rush to open a gas station.

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Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

Bullsh*t. He's giving the huge telecoms whatever they ask for. Eventually there will be no public airwaves, and you have to pay a monthly fee to use your own WiFi access point because it spews RF.

"Oh, you want the 900MHz, 2.4GHz, and 5GHz spectrum all to yourselves? Let me get with my best buddy, Ajit Pai, and we'll make that happen."
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Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

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Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in tiny space satellites
I don't see LEOs solving just an American problem, but a global one. It's just a fact of life that geography is going to play an important role in the availability of...practically everything.
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Connecting to the Galileo system should be a no-brainer: the additional satellites should improve the accuracy of countless GPS devices, including that smartphone in your pocket. Many tech companies are already working on products that talk to both systems.
Odd that there was some kind of rule saying American devices couldn't listen in on EU GPS. Figured it was more a complicating the design for little benefit. I imagine this has changed with a greater need for precision like autonomous vehicles.
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Re: Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

I suggest you actually read the public notices for these auctions, they aren’t giving big MNOs all the spectrum
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Re: Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

said by Ostracus:

I don't see LEOs solving just an American problem, but a global one. It's just a fact of life that geography is going to play an important role in the availability of...practically everything.

I'm thinking it would be especially helpful for ships, aircraft, Antarctic research stations, etc.

Though, a first-world country like the US still needs ubiquitous rural fiber deployment and a full blanket of terrestrial wireless before LEOs.
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It looks like LEO is going to beat rural fiber deployment and 5G to ubiquitous availability.

ISPs still seem to be dragging their feet with upgrades and expansions seem to be pretty rare.
5G will be deployed as aggressively as LTE was before it but even so it's going to be deployed to the most dense areas first and then everyone else.

I'll be surprised if 5G or fiber reaches my house before LEO unless LEO misses their current ETA for initial operation by a large margin.
At this point i'll be incredibly surprised if fiber ever reaches my house without the city limits expanding. Got POTS through AT&T but I think they will abandon the lines instead of spending the cash to upgrade it to anything modern.
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And I am not even sure who will win the LEO and VLEO satellite race. Telesat is a big already functional satellite telecom firm with decades of experience, The others I am not sure. There is also OneWeb, SpaceX has no satellite experience but they have their own reusable rockets. I do not know how to call this fight because the players all have their strengths, But only one has assured access to launch vehicles. And these megaconstellations will require a shitload of launches.

I would watch as his heats up for competitors to SpaceX, IF starlink starts to take hold in the market to complain its somehow unfair that Starlink has essentially "free" access to space launch while they have to go out and contract it at market rates. And I mean with how small these sats are they could stuff a crapload of them on a Falcon Heavy.
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In this scenario spacex is roughly equivalent to your local electric coop deciding they are going to start selling fiber. They don't have the experience but they have the advantage of already owning all of the local infrastructure so it's cheaper for them to do it than anyone else as anyone else has to rent space from them.

Spacex either because they don't believe they have the needed expertise or trying to head off problems later are having the existing GEO companies (I forget which one(s)) design and build their equipment for them.
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Re: Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

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I suggest you actually read the public notices for these auctions, they aren’t giving big MNOs all the spectrum

Really? How many of these auctions are won by a not-huge ISP or Wireless provider with a few BILLION to toss?

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Re: Comcast Said It Won't "Rush" to Create a Major Streaming Service

They do, you can get an APP on Roku. Its included with cable SUB, and they have a streaming bundle which my family is currently on. We can the basic local channels and HBO. The only thing that sucks, its Roku only, so if your like me with a Fire Stick your kinda screwed.

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said by Donut:

Roku only, so if your like me with a Fire Stick your kinda screwed.

i have the opposite problem... generic stuff won't run on roku's.

it has to do with DRM management - roku uses a private one,
so the more piracy paranoid content providers use them first.

eventually they will relax and branch out to other platforms.
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Re: Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

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Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in just scraping everything and starting over!

We are pretty close to reaching a precarious point, if not possibly past it where just scraping things and starting from scratch may be better and less expensive.

BUT

Lets not forget, NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO BE CHEAP!

NOR will 5G and wireless be the solution that all the 5G cheerleaders and hype are suggesting.

And you have major companies who have seeded most of the HSD ground to one group of companies.

What a mess is right!

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Re: Comcast Said It Won't "Rush" to Create a Major Streaming Service

Maybe thats why my dads older Roku has a hard time running Hulu. The new one works fine, but he has an older one, that some times it just has issues.

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Re: Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

IMO, abolish the auctions. Each time some becomes vacant, earmark an equal share for each of the 4 major carriers, and have an application process reserved for small/low capital upstarts for the rest.
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Re: Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

Companies that receive money from government's I/E Local,State,or Fed's by either direct pay out or tax break's should be made to cover 100% of said territory. Right of way's used at no cost also apply. The swamp will make sure this never happen's.
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said by Ostracus:
I don't see LEOs solving just an American problem, but a global one. It's just a fact of life that geography is going to play an important role in the availability of...practically everything.
LEO, VSAT, Blimps, Drones etc. all play a ROLE, let me say that again a role.

They are NOT the goal, finish line!

LEO, VSAT, Blimps, Drones = do it cheap, quick.

Fiber = do it RIGHT, but not cheap!

Coax = do it BETTER, and a little cheaper than fiber, but to feed it? Guess what you need fiber! Just like the 5G fantasy.

Any one taking that as the finish line over a wire, be it fiber, preferred, or coax and do DOCSIS, is flat out wrong.
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Odd that there was some kind of rule saying American devices couldn't listen in on EU GPS. Figured it was more a complicating the design for little benefit. I imagine this has changed with a greater need for precision like autonomous vehicles.

This is an OLD SQUABBLE, more political than technical....

But honestly how many of these NAVSAT systems do we need????????????????

Theres a enough space junk up there now that we need to have a SpaceMaids mission and hoover it all up. Its only a matter of time till we have a catastrophic failure from this junk ala the Space Shuttles. (Note: YES I am aware the SS issues were NOT space junk! Thank you. The point is that similar results will occur from this mess. Thank you.)

We've got GPS, the EU, the RU, and CN all either built/building/filling out their constellations. Thats a lot , A LOT MORE JUNK up there we don't need!

This is all back to political issues, waaaaahhaaa the US cut us off from the mil grade signals.... wahhhhaaaaaaa... We're allies... waaahha... yeah... no really, get lost!

This is why we ended up with the mess in cellular...

The EU/UK didn't like CDMA being from the US... wahahaha! "We will make better EU stuff!"

Rinse repeat with NAVSAT.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Re: Comcast Said It Won't "Rush" to Create a Major Streaming Service

Their streaming service includes live tv channels, tv shows, movies, etc. They might have the most advanced streaming service software out of anyone.
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AT&T Eyes Skinnier Bundles To Make Streaming Profitable

ATT's problem is they have chosen the monopoly price structure. They will never have a profitable streaming platform as they pissed off all their customers.

4 years ago 18 mbps was $30 a month including all fees and taxes. Today it is $70 a month including all fees and taxes for the exact same speed.

Comcast has 75 mbps for $32 a month including all fees and taxes. ATT has given up competing as an ISP and is just trying to milk customer in monopoly areas.

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Re: Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

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said by uwuowo:

I suggest you actually read the public notices for these auctions, they aren’t giving big MNOs all the spectrum

Really? How many of these auctions are won by a not-huge ISP or Wireless provider with a few BILLION to toss?

dish

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ATT's problem is they have chosen the monopoly price structure. They will never have a profitable streaming platform as they pissed off all their customers.

4 years ago 18 mbps was $30 a month including all fees and taxes. Today it is $70 a month including all fees and taxes for the exact same speed.

Comcast has 75 mbps for $32 a month including all fees and taxes. ATT has given up competing as an ISP and is just trying to milk customer in monopoly areas.

where i live 18 Mbps IF you could even get it has always been close to $70
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Re: Trump signs order to set U.S. spectrum strategy as 5G race looms

Before 1994 the FCC did hearings instead of auctions. They were slow and inefficient and arbitrarily chosen. The auctions are a much better alternative to this

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said by Anonfef5e :

said by Simba7:

said by uwuowo:

I suggest you actually read the public notices for these auctions, they aren’t giving big MNOs all the spectrum

Really? How many of these auctions are won by a not-huge ISP or Wireless provider with a few BILLION to toss?

dish

Still in the "billion" class ($14.39b). They're mostly squatting on the spectrum they currently have, and don't really care.

Truthfully, there should be a rule against spectrum squatting, and all of it should result in forfeiture of said spectrum to the public.
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Re: Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

Goal? The goal is adequate internet connectivity. Anything else is "perfect" being the "enemy of good" and at best unnecessarily delaying the whole process, and at worst causes grief that never should have been. In other words there are going to be plenty of places a wire of any kind will not go. Period. As for GPS "junk" MEO isn't anywhere near as bad.

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said by Ostracus:
Goal? The goal is adequate internet connectivity. Anything else is "perfect" being the "enemy of good" and at best unnecessarily delaying the whole process, and at worst causes grief that never should have been. In other words there are going to be plenty of places a wire of any kind will not go. Period.
If its got electric or phone from a elec utility or a ILEC then it can get and should get fiber to it.

That covers 99% of the US that wants it. The cabin out in the middle of WY? That has no electric other than generator or solar or just none period. While I still think they should be ABLE to, its not going to be cheap. If this is hunting cabin or something likely the users don't really care.... Others would....

You are just setting the goal too low to achieve this and call it a day.

That just leads us right back to here later. When sat, what ever type, Drones, Hindenburg, what ever doesn't work as well as DSL even, then we have to start all over, AGAIN.

And the added benefit of all that space junk.

We got a mess, and doing this with low goals will only exacerbate this problem even more.

Quick and cheap OR Right? Pick one. I'd much rather invest ONCE CORRECTLY and get the benefits from doing it cheap/quick to only do it over and over again to fix cheap and quick.

Maybe you would like your local PD/FD/EMS to do it quick/cheap on the radio system that gets them to you and just might save your life???

Let me tell you of the results of those choices. .... DEATH and EXPENSES from the lawsuits, and the rebuilds. I can name at least 3 areas with boondogle radios system from this quick/cheap method. That are now being rebuilt to proper standards, one is fast approaching $1B with a B $$$ in real $$$$, TAX $$$$! And there were deaths from it.
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As for GPS "junk" MEO isn't anywhere near as bad.

Theres too much junk up there to start be it actual functioning equipment to junk from what ever. Too much! Regardless of the level.

Adding more and more junk to it creates a maze to weave through to launch anything ie: Apollo V2 to go back to the moon, and the next step to go on to Mars. Or even this stuff....

Time for SpaceMaids!
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75 from service electric here in central pa for $80 a month. 1 gig for $150
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Re: Americans' broadband access is so screwed up that the answer may lie in...

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Quick and cheap OR Right? Pick one.

I remember a sign in an engineering office in the 1970's:

1. Good
2. Fast
3. Cheap
Pick any two.

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Wireless, all forms, is a joke for home internet. It becomes overloaded and then they place heavy data limits/get hard capped to a speed where it's nearly impossible to load a simple webpage. Unless that is for the right price I could get 100GB unthrottled/uncapped for $710/Mo. There are plenty of people just out of reach of cable, they aren't in remote cabins, and in especially my unserved area it is dense enough (IMHO) to make it worth it but for whatever reason we're skipped over.

Can't get DSL because ports are full, otherwise it's within reach.
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Can I *assume* you've had experience with wireless in "all forms"? Or is this I don't like broccoli, so you hate all vegetables?
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