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Comments on news posted 2022-04-21 08:03:00: • T-Mobile expands its $50 unlimited 5G Home Internet from 30 to 40 million households [9to5mac.com] • T-Mobile celebrates 1 million home internet customers [digitaltrends. ..

adam1991
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T-Mobile 5G home internet

why, it seems like only yesterday people here on dslreports were swearing up and down that fixed wireless service for home internet would never happen. Couldn't ever happen. Not possible. Pipe dream. So don't even have it in your mind--just sit back and enjoy the cable service you have today.

Oh, it pretty much was only yesterday. A couple of years ago.

Imagine that.

I guess a few more cableco execs are popping Tums and checking LinkedIn right now for other jobs.

r81984
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

Just for T-Mobile or in general? In the early 00s fixed wireless was huge in a lot of areas. Sprint had fixed wireless for many years.
Fixed wireless has always been used by many local rural ISPs.
There has always been cell fixed wireless internet offerings from one of the cell providers over the years, just seems to have always been changing for speeds and pricing.

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Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

Node splitting on wired.

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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by Ostracus:

Node splitting on wired.

It is not that simple. You can node split on wired because you can reuse the same frequencies on each child node as they are contained in shielded coax. It is much more difficult and costly to do that in a wireless environment with a limited amount of licensed spectrum.

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Not unlike cable and full nodes you simply add more bandwidth or like in my area Tmobile cut off further home internet subscriptions.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by Anon5784b :

Tmobile cut off further home internet subscriptions.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile cut off FWA here, so it is a failure compared to cell phone hotspot locally.

Verizon does not even want to play. Perhaps they are cognizant of their bandwidth limitations here?
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by notonto:

said by Anon5784b :

Tmobile cut off further home internet subscriptions.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile cut off FWA here, so it is a failure compared to cell phone hotspot locally.

Verizon does not even want to play. Perhaps they are cognizant of their bandwidth limitations here?

They all show "not available" at my address, I'm not sure if it's lack of capacity or something else.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

It is predominantly a backhaul issue here.

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Can still be ordered by using an MVNO and calling in. T got rid of fixed wireless over a year ago. So not a failure at all. And Verizon is offering a similar product nationwide. Again. Not failed.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

Fixed wireless did indeed fail LOCALLY, which is what I wrote.

I have no interest in using a slow, deprioritized, and overpriced MVNO service.

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said by Anon5784b :

Not unlike cable and full nodes you simply add more bandwidth or like in my area Tmobile cut off further home internet subscriptions.

They can't magically make more spectrum. They have what they have

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said by Simba7:

Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.

Tmobile has a ludicrous amount of idle spectrum nationwide that serves no good purpose other than fixed wireless. Tmobile never sold their 5G as anything beyond 50/50 for $50.
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said by Simba7:

Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.

Water will find its level. And so it will be with the mix of wired and wireless.

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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by adam1991:

said by Simba7:

Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.

Water will find its level. And so it will be with the mix of wired and wireless.

I wonder how many of the FW customers are using it as a backup failover for wired? That is something I am thinking about doing...
adam1991
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by genetakovic:

said by adam1991:

said by Simba7:

Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.

Water will find its level. And so it will be with the mix of wired and wireless.

I wonder how many of the FW customers are using it as a backup failover for wired? That is something I am thinking about doing...

shoot, if all three carriers offered it you could easily and cheaply have three failover backups.

Try that with wired.
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said by Simba7:

Problem with fixed wireless is, there's only so much bandwidth. Once you start loading a tower with hundreds (or thousands) of customers, your speeds are going to plummet.

did you read what I wrote?

why, it seems like only yesterday people here on dslreports were swearing up and down that fixed wireless service for home internet would never happen. Couldn't ever happen. Not possible. Pipe dream. So don't even have it in your mind--just sit back and enjoy the cable service you have today.
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More like people have - and will continue to - swear that "fixed" wireless isn't a viable replacement for wired internet. It may be internet-of-last-resort for some, especially those in hard-to-serve areas, but it isn't competitive with cable modem service.

Oh sure, there will be the braggarts and the tinkerers who claim it adequate, until it isn't, when the service is oversold/oversubscribed/saturated, or the likes of T-Mobile implements "network management" that limits the "unlimited means unlimited" crowd while Karl and friends cry about "Neutrality" for another year.

So too will be the story with T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internets.
Note carefully how Verizon once proclaimed their product would initially deliver 300mbps, with more to come. Now they're pitching 25/4. The T-Mobile 5G router? Erratic is its middle name. despite lab spec to 4.6gbps, it struggles to deliver 1% of that using big chunks of n41, and that is with T-Mobile playing the heavy and restricting volume.

So sure, they're welcome entries, and in some instances, they may help to keep wired service pricing in check, though there is no evidence to suggest that. Maybe if Verizon actually offered their "$25" service for $25, but they don't.

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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

I tried it out myself. At home, you are right, speeds did not deliver but then again, I get 2 bars on my phone at home, I got 2/3 on the router. Speeds were less than 100 down, 30+ up. At work though, I kept hitting 500+ down, 60+ up. Tested it for 2 days so it wasn't a fluke. Son tried it in his appt downtown Detroit. He was getting 300. Good enough for his gaming needs. When is 300 service w/comcrap (costing him $80) plus modem rental, he's going to get TMO's service. I returned my router since it didn't service my needs for home where I currently have WOW's 500/50 serivce.

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said by elray:

More like people have - and will continue to - swear that "fixed" wireless isn't a viable replacement for wired internet. It may be internet-of-last-resort for some, especially those in hard-to-serve areas, but it isn't competitive with cable modem service.

Oh sure, there will be the braggarts and the tinkerers who claim it adequate, until it isn't, when the service is oversold/oversubscribed/saturated, or the likes of T-Mobile implements "network management" that limits the "unlimited means unlimited" crowd while Karl and friends cry about "Neutrality" for another year.

So too will be the story with T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internets.
Note carefully how Verizon once proclaimed their product would initially deliver 300mbps, with more to come. Now they're pitching 25/4. The T-Mobile 5G router? Erratic is its middle name. despite lab spec to 4.6gbps, it struggles to deliver 1% of that using big chunks of n41, and that is with T-Mobile playing the heavy and restricting volume.

So sure, they're welcome entries, and in some instances, they may help to keep wired service pricing in check, though there is no evidence to suggest that. Maybe if Verizon actually offered their "$25" service for $25, but they don't.

I just looked at the Verizon wireless Home internet site. They are showing download speeds of up to 300Mb/s for the 5G INternet gateway. With up to 50Mb/s upload speeds. And download speeds of 85Mb/s to 300 Mb/s for the regular Internet Gateway. With up to 10Mb/s upload.

Then they have wireless Home INternet Plus plans with speeds between 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s download.

Nowhere do I see them mentioning download speeds of 25Mb/s with upload speeds of 4Mb/s.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by aaronwt:

I just looked at the Verizon wireless Home internet site.
Nowhere do I see them mentioning download speeds of 25Mb/s with upload speeds of 4Mb/s.

The Verizon Home LTE plan, which is what normal people get when they apply for 5G, states 25mbps.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

Useful enough as a backup for when one's normal means misbehaves.

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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by Ostracus:

Useful enough as a backup for when one's normal means misbehaves.

Most of us already on TMO have hotspots on our phone. Using them as a back up pretty much checks that box as long as you don't need over 40gb. But being on the MagintaMax plan, the speeds don't drop along the way till you use up that 40. Phones however, still remain in the fast lane and there's always "tethering". Having the above was part of why I couldn't justify paying the $50 for a router and plan. Performance in my area was no better then my phone so I was done with my testing.
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said by elray:

It may be internet-of-last-resort for some, especially those in hard-to-serve areas

It may be the internet of only resort. And they'll be ecstatic to have it.

I continue to be astounded by people not understanding nuance and declaring that "fixed wireless can't compete with 5000/5000 service in my busy home-business house, therefore it's completely useless".
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And note that what I said was that the claims were that fixed wireless would NEVER work, COULD never work.

That's way, way different than what you said.
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said by elray:

More like people have - and will continue to - swear that "fixed" wireless isn't a viable replacement for wired internet.

did you read what I wrote?

why, it seems like only yesterday people here on dslreports were swearing up and down that fixed wireless service for home internet would never happen. Couldn't ever happen. Not possible. Pipe dream. So don't even have it in your mind--just sit back and enjoy the cable service you have today.

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said by adam1991:

why, it seems like only yesterday people here on dslreports were swearing up and down that fixed wireless service for home internet would never happen. Couldn't ever happen. Not possible. Pipe dream. So don't even have it in your mind--just sit back and enjoy the cable service you have today.

Oh, it pretty much was only yesterday. A couple of years ago.

Imagine that.

I guess a few more cableco execs are popping Tums and checking LinkedIn right now for other jobs.

I think the naysayers were more bent against wireless broadband in general. People kept saying the same thing about copper back in the day after dial-up was losing out to AOC (always-on connections). The sky was going to fall. We see how thats worked out, 20+ years later.
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by tc1uscg:

I think the naysayers were more bent against wireless broadband in general.

They were. And they were EXTREMELY vocal about it, to the point of being ridiculous.

They clearly had a vested interest in people not even exploring fixed wireless.
said by tc1uscg:

People kept saying the same thing about copper back in the day after dial-up was losing out to AOC (always-on connections). The sky was going to fall. We see how thats worked out, 20+ years later.

hehehehe

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This is BS. Supposedly it's available in my area but the only 5G spectrum T-Mobile has is 10X10 MHz of n71. WTF kind of "5G" speeds is that going to provide? So take that 40 million with huge grain of alt
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Re: T-Mobile 5G home internet

said by Anon346b9 :

This is BS. Supposedly it's available in my area but the only 5G spectrum T-Mobile has is 10X10 MHz of n71. WTF kind of "5G" speeds is that going to provide? So take that 40 million with huge grain of alt

did you read what I wrote?

why, it seems like only yesterday people here on dslreports were swearing up and down that fixed wireless service for home internet would never happen. Couldn't ever happen. Not possible. Pipe dream. So don't even have it in your mind--just sit back and enjoy the cable service you have today.
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who was saying that though, do you have actual examples or are you arguing against noise?

the point is more that 5G isn't a revolutionary technology that suddenly makes wireless home internet as good as wired internet (at least not intense investment in mmwave cells and professionally installed CPE to the point that FTTH would probably make more sense). that stupid verizon thing that you have to attach to both sides of a window is just laughable

it will have a place, but it won't replace wired.

it's telling that, especially in other parts of the world, telcos that own both networks recognise the strengths of both. Fibre is still king for always-on connectivity, cellular is great for portability. Where I am, the only telco trying to desperately make 5G internet a thing is also the only telco without any wireline presence at all (and now has to buy all their backhaul from their direct competitors in both spaces)

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DHS Says ?Not on my Watch!? to Hawaii Undersea Telecom Cable Hack

It is surprising how the US and EU are purposely trying to not admit the constant Russian hacking which would be an act of war per NATO. They keep letting Russia get away with it.
NATO has already made it clear that hacking another country is an "armed" attack under Article 5 which then considers it an attack on all countries in NATO. Yet there is no action.

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inre: DHS Says ?Not on my Watch!? to Hawaii Undersea Telecom Cable Hack

inre: Russia & NATO...
The hardest part is proving it beyond a doubt...
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Re: inre: DHS Says ?Not on my Watch!? to Hawaii Undersea Telecom Cable Hack

Packets will have "from Russia with love".
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Comcast hollow core fiber

Right, because the fiber itself is what is holding them back from the "10G" future. It's funny they refer to it as "foundational", implying they haven't started building towards "10G" yet, even though they have been talking about it for god knows how long.

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Comcast Hollowcore Fiber

SO does this meannn they gonna run fiber to the Home or is it just another useless publicity stunt to brag about their supposed "fiber" network thats irrelevent?
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Re: Comcast Hollowcore Fiber

According to the article, it will only be used in their core/internal network. Theoretically it will help with long distance latency, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the last mile network (which is the biggest hurdle to ā€œ10gā€)

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CNN+ will shut down at the end of April

Well that didn't last long.... at least they were realistic about their chances of recovery

CNN+ will shut down at the end of April
»us.cnn.com/2022/04/21/me ··· dex.html
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Re: CNN+ will shut down at the end of April

said by tshirt:

Well that didn't last long.... at least they were realistic about their chances of recovery

CNN+ will shut down at the end of April
»us.cnn.com/2022/04/21/me ··· dex.html

I am surprised they did not just merge CNN+ into their new upcoming application that is supposed to host discovery/HBO content.

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Re: CNN+ will shut down at the end of April

said by toolman1990:

I am surprised they did not just merge CNN+ into their new upcoming application that is supposed to host discovery/HBO content.

I think the statement was "Leave that side to the entertainment people... even if it all ends up in the same bucket

I think CNN needs to separate into NEWS (including editorial commentary) and ENTERTAINMENT (might include soft/documentry, libraries, etc. at least) IMHO contrary to the LETS BLEND EVERYTHING!!! mode

Both provide great content, but don't shouldn't be confused and the trend is to trade on CNN name but that doesn't/shouldn't be tightly tied to the Warner and other entertainment items.
otherwise, WEATHER channel effect, in a tornado time they have excellent coverage but not the first place to tune if you hear a warning, because you could tune in to TORNADO week movie or old/historic storm coverage. instead of "Breaking News!!!" (a term so over used as to be just click bait)
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It feels like Netflix might be off in it's approach:

I can't help but feel like Netflix is missing the mark.

They keep jacking up rates, but struggled to keep up with licensing 3rd party content. Their original content is so expansive and diverse that only some of it appeals to everyone, and much of it only appeals to certain people, meaning they can bump billions into content, but it's still hard to find 1 show a month worth watching. If they reduce content, that's going to be even worse.

I don't think eliminating password sharing is going to do what they think it is. Lots of people are splitting subs, so if they have to pay full freight, they'll probably cancel.

Not sure how appealing commercial subs are, I find them annoying

I also noticed Netflix has started breaking up seasons in half to try and reduce churn. Half now, half in a few months kind of thing.

Feels like Netflix is running away from all the things that made people like netflix.
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Re: It feels like Netflix might be off in it's approach:

it was the 3rd party content that made them popular. one price, one company, pretty much everything you'd want to watch & the Netflix specials were still quality over quantity.

But now all the 3rd parties are cutting out the middleman and starting their own services, Netflix has to fill that gap themselves, and it's becoming more and more "meh"

Besides, Netflix are a bit "cable company" in their pricing structure, with charging for HD and charging even more for 4K, and now the rumours of an ad supported tier.