 BrooklynZooFor Everthing Else, There's Mastercard
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Hmmm.....If people really think that some type of Internet spying is not going on now, you better open your eyes. If your Internet connection has to leave your house, then it is open to interception. Wait a second! They can even spy on you in your house.
Privacy is more of a state of mind than an actual reality. Just my 5 cents before the government takes 3 cents in taxes. |
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 rit56
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rit56
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2002-Mar-2 10:20 am
What Freedom?I remember not long ago the controversy about rewriting the Bill of Rights. This administration is amazing. They just do things, strip us of our freedoms, our rights all under the guise of a Terrorist plot against the very soul of the United States. So now Mr. Ashcroft will make the Baby Bells, the ones we this past week were so concerned about the national sale of high speed access while right under our noses they I'm sure already have most of what they want already in place. What a sad day for all of us. This paranoid man who recently I saw singing "Let the Eagle Soar" and it embarrassed me to be an American with this idiot singing this song as the whole world see who the number 1 law enforcement agent is. He is a right wing conservative , born again, despot who is amazing if you agree with his agenda but I still am one of the few Americans I guess who still believe in my right to privacy (gone), innocent until proven guilty,(they're working on that one and God help you if you're a Muslim) . I know I'm going to get attacked here but I don't particularly like knowing the Attorney General of the United States has bible study meetings in the mornings before the work day begins and they are open to his staff. I have a problem with that. I believe in every Americans right to practice what ever religion they choose but do it at home. Not at the work place. Hey I don't like knowing that this man wants the "freedom" to be able to know what sites I have been visiting lately, who I've called lately, what interests I have. It's just wrong . |
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 danc694uAnd Your Point Is?
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And you're surprised because ???Face it. You've never had any real privacy on the net.
Employers spy on employees. Script kiddies mess with folks. Sometimes the general public thinks it would be neat to hack a hotmail account...just for fun.
Web sites shove cookie after cookie on users. While still others sit and hope your 15 year old will post a lot of your personal information on their sites. So they can sell it to the highest bidder for $$$
The days of "privacy" are long gone. As long as the information isn't used to get my snail mail, e-mail, and telephone taken over by telemarketers. I could really care less.
YES!! By law, I am considered a criminal!! I do willingly break laws almost everyday. Most, if not all the laws I break, are ones built around moral issues. IE It's unlawful to be gay (I'm not) in some states still. It's unlawful to sell/buy porn in some states.
Who the hell really cares what some ditz does in the privacy of his own home? If he is hurting NO ONE! Not me! |
· actions · 2002-Mar-2 10:36 am · (locked) |
 sadowskiI Am My Own Doppelganger
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2002-Mar-2 10:50 am
You're ignoring the fact that employers and 'script kiddies' don't have the authority of the government. They can not, except by deceit, imprison or even execute you. They can not easily track you no matter where you move or stop you no matter you may be. They can not burst into your home at three AM and search to harass. Etc. Etc. What short-term memories our super big business controlled media has created. None of the abuses mentioned above are unknown or occurred that long ago in our history. It sells more to blindly wave the flag and do happy talk news and easy politician bashing rather to think and to examine... and to remember. |
· actions · 2002-Mar-2 10:50 am · (locked) |
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It's illegal (never understood this one**) to say you want to kill the President but is it illegal to say you want to kill the Attorney General (Ashcroft)?
Only kidding, but it seriously wouldn't upset me to turn on CNN and find out this entire leadership was killed in a plane crash. They're a joke and will go down as one of the worst cabinets ever that almost succeeded in robbing us of every freedom we possess. All in the name of justice, of course. Or to stop those "evil terrorists", of course. Of course, Mr. Bush, whatever you say! I'm sure you'll protect me from those evil, evil terrorists!
** Concerning above, I believe it's your political and legal right to say you want to kill the president. If your freedom of speech doesn't allow you to say something, even so controversial as this, then your freedom of speech is meaningless. Now if you attempt to kill the president (even one so utterly void of a brain such as Bush) then that's one thing. If I could ever get my band in to mainstream status I'm going to make shirts saying "I want to kill the President" as my slogan. Sure you'll say it's just a sales tactic but it'll serve a political purpose too. If they arrest me for it then they'll have to arrest all my fans. I wish there were more musicians out there with the balls to criticize our lack of true, honest freedoms.
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· actions · 2002-Mar-2 12:59 pm · (locked) |
sadowskiI Am My Own Doppelganger
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2002-Mar-2 1:18 pm
In theory it is not illegal to say you want to kill anyone, though in the case of a high ranking official you'll probably be 'detained' and subject to 'psychological evaluation' for saying it.
I stress this is in theory since no doubt somewhere there is a law saying that looking cross-eyed at the pres. is a criminal act. |
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Re: What Freedom?said by rit56:
I remember not long ago the controversy about rewriting the Bill of Rights.
Rewrite the Constitution? No, I don't remember hearing about it. How about supplying some more information with specific references where I can look into it? Thanks! [text was edited by author 2002-03-02 18:14:36] |
· actions · 2002-Mar-2 2:28 pm · (locked) |
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I'm worried !!!The fact that there moving so fast and trying to do so much all in the name of stopping terrorism. I truthfully think that cure is going to be worse then the disease.
I don't think the government can really protect us from a terrorist attack but should put into place common sense security measures to prevent them.
When the 19 highjackers took over the planes they used knives which were still being allowed on the planes and the so-called experts said they never imagined that terrorist would take over the planes and use them as weapons. I'm shocked by that, they either are incomptent or are just trying to cover there asses. The so called experts should be fired and we should hire people who have better imaginations.
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defeat spam and governments snoops at same time.look into the camram project. » www.camram.orga proof of work puzzle plus opportunistic digital signatures keeps Spam out of your mailbox. Opportunistic encryption keeps snoops out of your e-mail. we need folks who can help us write code to implement this project. ---eric |
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Re: And you're surprised because ??? Freedom of speech is not the freedom to shout "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater. Your statement about killing the president is as ignorant as the rest of your posts.
"Only kidding, but it seriously wouldn't upset me to turn on CNN and find out this entire leadership was killed in a plane crash."
I hope YOU are on the same plane. I can't believe that someone actually wrote something this horrible on DSLREPORTS.COM. The mods should be careful about crap like this or they could wind up being investigated themselves.
"They're a joke and will go down as one of the worst cabinets ever that almost succeeded in robbing us of every freedom we possess."
What can't you do now that you could before election night?
As far as I can tell I am as free as I was before. Sounds like more liberal paranoia to me.
"Now if you attempt to kill the president (even one so utterly void of a brain such as Bush)"
Go look in the mirror, idiot. I think President Bush makes far more sense than you do.
"I wish there were more musicians out there with the balls to criticize our lack of true, honest freedoms."
You sound like an anarchist to me. Anarchy isn't freedom.
"Land of the free? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"
Don't like it? Move to China, and you'll come crawling back. I guarantee it.
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· actions · 2002-Mar-2 6:53 pm · (locked) |
n7mft
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n7mft
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2002-Mar-2 7:03 pm
RightsYou all think you have lost your freedom? Not yet! As far as the constitution and the bill of rights goes, Does anyone realize the president has the power to (with one pen stroke) suspend the constitution for I believe 30 days? After that it takes an act of congress to continue it but immagine the dammage that would happen if we were thrown in to martial law for even a short time. I too am concerned. I see the media showing all of the gun violence that happens but what about the violence that is stopped because of them. You very rarely see a story about a robery attempt that was stopped but a citizen carying a gun. Unless he was a cop of course. It happens more often than people think. I refuse to let the towel heads, or anyone else for that matter, make me a prisoner in my own home, City, State, Country. I know this is off the main subject but it is all part of the same thing. Our rights are being stripped from us, not just by people in this country but by others too. |
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(topic offline) Absolute power will corrupt Absolutely!
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to MrTangent
Re: And you're surprised because ???Be very glad that you've somewhat shrugged off the apparent serious intent to do injury to the President. It's worse even than saying the "B" word too loudly while in line to have your baggage examined at the airport. There are laws in effect against making threats (at any level, with or without a smiley at the end of them) against the President. Any federal employee or officer would be impelled to report you to appropriate authorities just for what you've posted here so far.
There's a difference between 'free speech' and 'lunatic ranting'.
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Absolute power will corrupt Absolutely!Moderator 2kmaro removed the entire thread associated with the above topic. Having read the entire thread, I have no idea why. It would be a poor decision not to replace or repost it. |
· actions · 2002-Mar-3 12:39 am · (locked) |
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As I said earlier, I don't think 2kmaro was trying to muzzle anyone. But if a thread deteriorates into name calling and turns abusive, it really loses it's merit in staying open.
Please IM me or 2kmaro directly if you want to discuss this further. Thanks. |
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(topic offline) In response to CFeicht,
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· actions · 2002-Mar-3 4:49 am · (locked) |
 rchandraStargate Universe fan
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to rit56
Re: What Freedom?said by rit56:
I know I'm going to get attacked here but I don't particularly like knowing the Attorney General of the United States has bible study meetings in the mornings before the work day begins and they are open to his staff. I have a problem with that. I believe in every Americans right to practice what ever religion they choose but do it at home.
Why? Why shouldn't one have the right to practice one's religion wherever, whenever, and however they choose (within the bounds of other laws; for example a law against murder would be against human sacrifices)? The clause in Amendment I of The Constitution protects against establishment of an official religion, or particularly "the free exercise thereof." This means as long as attendance of, or participation in, this Bible study doesn't affect anything else, Ashcroft should be able to do anything he wants in that respect. If you want to restrict the exercise of his religion to his home, it seems to me you would be against the free exercise clause. What's next? One can only go to church on Sundays and alternate Thursdays, and only at ones that are more than 100 meters away from any government building? "Free" is "free," not "selectively free." If you don't want to study The Bible, don't go to his Bible study meetings, or his prayer breakfasts, or whatever else he might be planning, but PLEASE don't tell him he can't do it. I would have to partially agree that some other freedoms are being curtailed in the name of "fighting terrorism." It seems some more of Amendment I may be trampled shortly in the name of "campaign finance reform." This administration seems a little over the top lately on governance. |
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"This administration seems a little over the top lately on governance."
Chandra, could you explain this please? It's a little vague, and I'm interested in what you mean.
Otherwise, that was a very good post. I wish we could get more like them on this board. |
· actions · 2002-Mar-3 9:24 am · (locked) |
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2002-Mar-3 9:46 am
Actually, I meant that directly in relation to the two items discussed...doing some dubious things in the name of fighting terrorism, and restricting our ability to support political entities around election time. Perhaps it would have been a little more direct to say the administration's actions seem to be getting excessive. Sorry, I can't recall examples at the moment, but I will just say I found it kind of alarming when I followed a link that someone included in a post which had a quiz asking the reader to identify which things were said by John Ashcroft and which things were said by Sen. McCarthy during the big Communist inquisition of a few decades ago.
Believe me, I too lament that we don't get more posts like this, in the sense that English is an ALARMINGLY quickly dying art. See my signature block. I can't explain why it tweaks me so, but there are some posts on this site that I grow tired of trying to decode, so I just skip them. Too bad; some of those authors might have something significant to express. |
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I haven't heard anything about this either, but the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights are two separate documents. |
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Bill of Rights not part of the Constitution?I couldn't help but notice several posts at the beginning of this thread.
According to them, apparently we were considering rewriting the Bill of Rights sometime in the recent past and the Bill of Rights is not part of the Constitution.
Where do people get such ideas? Not part of the Constitution? Rewrite it? And how pray tell, does one rewrite the constitution? Amazing!
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Re: Bill of Rights not part of the Constitution?I was incorrect....the constitution was written, then the bill of rights was amended to the constitution at a later date. See » www.nara.gov/exhall/char ··· ain.html for more info. |
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In response to cybermud:
Thanks for the follow up and the great link!
An incredible number of people in the U.S. have misconceptions about the Constitution and their "Rights" as in Constitutional rights. They are confused about the true meaning of the term. People confuse "Right" with other terms such as freedom(s), right,(generic), privileges, benefits, statutes, laws, regulations, laws and so on. Worse, they are clueless about the difference and often don't even care. Consequently, when something happens that they think infringes on their privacy, to them it is the same as having their Constitutional "rights" trampled, violated, stripped, etc. Also, too often the reason for the change, real or imagined, is totally inconsequential to them as all they care about is themselves. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for such people to go off the deep end when someone tries to explain the difference to them or even try to discuss the issues. Why? I don't know. Maybe for some it is genetic given the fervor of some of the posts I see. Whatever it is, their focus and conclusions are because all they can think about is their own small selfish interests--period. Think about the merits? Lets not stoop to that!
But back to the point of the DSL New Forum item. In the context of what I just said, what is being asked,( yes, asked), of the Telcos by the AG is somewhat different than what the people I have just described would like to believe.
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 VarlikWithout Honor You Will Never Be Free
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2002-Mar-4 12:06 am
Red Flags within Red Flags!If the topic itself doesn’t send up red flags then the statements about the freedom of information Act should. {Many of the companies saying they would be willing to more fully participate in the partnership if they were guaranteed their communications could not be disclosed through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.} {Ashcroft urged those companies to support legislation in government to exempt information that they would have to share with the government on computer and network vulnerabilities form the Freedom of Information Act.}(I’m going by memory on what the articles said.) You have to pull teeth, as it is even with the freedom of Information Act to get the information you should have access to. If you start to make exemptions now with the FOIA where or when will it stop? Basically it comes down to removing citizen’s national rights. Can the government form a partnership, which involves the issues involved with what they the government want? Is this not within itself illegal? Partnership? So now there is some drive to form or increase in size a newly formed party and propagate its goals and agendas? (Conspiracy theories aside.) The selling and sacrifice of people’s rights In the name of national security is what this is pushing towards. |
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to rchandra
Re: What Freedom?quote:
..attendance of, or participation in, this Bible study doesn't affect anything else, Ashcroft should be able to do anything he wants in that respect.
It's good to see in such cynical times such as these that you're willing to give Ashcroft the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like this. I have some doubts myself, however. I assume he has access to a church somewhere. Why does he need to have Bible "studies" in his office? There's got to be Jews and Muslims and maybe Hindis and certainly Christians of non-Pentecostal denominations working for him. I would imagine this would cause them a certain amount of discomfort, what with the Boss so clearly drawing a distinction between his employees who are Christians-who-believe-as-he-does and everyone else. A truly reflective and conscientious employer would not subject his staff this, would he? |
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 LiontaurLets Get Boincing Already
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Canada is looking pretty good now, eh?Now granted, anything that happens in the US affects us up here as well, but I still don't mind having a government that does nothing useful over one that does too much. So come on up to Canada if you get sick of the BS that the current administration is tossing around, we won't pay you as much to do your job and we will tax you more but honest, it's nicer  |
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 starstuffFly By Wire
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I'll pass your invitation to our good neighbors to the south. |
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I don't think anyone farther south than TX could handle all the snow and cold we get up here. Plus they would still be making less money  |
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