 Sealink
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2002-Dec-9 5:07 pm
What a bargain.They can go ahead and throw Vivendi Universal in there for that much. |
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jethrogump
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Waisted moneyMicrosoft only does real big deals Like $100,000,000.00 and up now days. If you took all they lost on investment in broadband over the period of 1997 to 2002 you could have paid the shareholders some dividends for a change.
I would bet the loss is more than the gains. Just think MSN and think of the losses just on their internet services. |
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 Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Hey...I'm happyI love what they've done with XBox Live. Very low latency, excellent gaming experience...it costs money to do crap right.
Them spending money is good for everyone...except for their competitors. |
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Re: Waisted moneysaid by jethrogump:
Microsoft only does real big deals Like $100,000,000.00 and up now days. If you took all they lost on investment in broadband over the period of 1997 to 2002 you could have paid the shareholders some dividends for a change.
I would bet the loss is more than the gains. Just think MSN and think of the losses just on their internet services.
Well, seeing as their stock has gone up 25% since Mid-July...their investors shouldn't be too pissed. People in tech stocks don't make their money off dividends...they make it off trading. They're an S&P recommended 5 Star buy with an outlook of 4 out of 5 and have an Earn/Div Rank of B+. They must be doing something right to make their investors bullish. |
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jethrogump
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Re: Hey...I'm happyI can tell you the money pissed off is in the billions so that means if it was not pissed of the stock should be $20.00 higher.
Companies that piss off money usually see this bite them in the but sooner or later and I wouldn't bet on 2003 being a splendid year for a tech company.
$20.00 as share would help because this little rally they call it a bear market rally is just about over because funds have done the trading they are required to do this time of year. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Where was the "billions" that you claim were wasted spent. The diversification of Microsoft into areas like gaming, HomeStation type appliances and network HW is what has S&P bullish about Microsoft.
Here is an quote from the S&P Stars report on why they upgraded Microsoft from Accumulate to Buy.
"The company has also successfully diversified its revenue stream into new areas, enabling MSFT to produce solid growth and profitability while many competitors have been decimated. The company has over $40 billion in cash/short-term investments, and no debt, giving it a great deal of flexibility." -S&P Analyst:Jonathan Rudy, CFA /PMW
And I would hardly call a 6 month rally a bear market rally. They have posted 25% increases in stock values over the last 6 months and according to people IN THE KNOW...they are EXPECTED to continue to bullish trend. Without the investment that you are complaining about...they would be in the toilet with no hope of getting themselves out. Now they are in a great position to take on established companies like Linksys and Sony. |
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2002-Dec-9 6:30 pm
S&P is full of crap when they say MSFT has successfully diversified.
Historically, MSFT has not broken down the performance of its product categories publicly but recently it did for the first time.
Only Windows and Office make money (oodles) and everything else loses money. What diversification success is that? None yet anyway.
And it has not been a 6 month rally. The DJIA bottomed on Oct 9 (prev time that low was in 1997) so that is exactly 2 months today. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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said by SP pfftt:
S&P is full of crap when they say MSFT has successfully diversified.
Historically, MSFT has not broken down the performance of its product categories publicly but recently it did for the first time.
Only Windows and Office make money (oodles) and everything else loses money. What diversification success is that? None yet anyway.
And it has not been a 6 month rally. The DJIA bottomed on Oct 9 (prev time that low was in 1997) so that is exactly 2 months today.
Okay guy, Standards and Poor's is full of crap. Sure...we'll all believe some anonymous flap over one of the most respected investment analysts in the nation. Everything else loses money? How about downloading the Microsoft Investor's report or read an earnings summary? Record revenue for 2001, near record profits during a hammered economy, record asset levels, ZERO DEBT. And to all you guys who say their investments suck...here is a little blub from the Microsoft financial report, "Net gains on the sales of investments included a $1.25 billion gain on the sale of the Company’s share of Expedia." Yeah..$1.25 billion in net gains...they suck. And current quarterly performance is similar as represented by their substantial increase in stock value and buy recommendations from the nations most respected analysists. And the rally mentioned is about Microsoft genius...not the Dow. How about putting down your crayon and picking up Hooked on Phonics so you can better understand the thread? Sure...diversification isn't doing anything. That's why Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Barclays Global, Merrill Lynch, GE Asset Management, and a ton of other investment firms are grabbing up Microsoft stock and others like Janus, J P Morgan and Vanguard have made a fortune from profit taking with Microsoft this last quarter. Hell, Vanguard, one of the best performing investment groups has Microsoft as more than 3% of it's total portfolio and owns nearly 2% of all outstanding Microsoft shares. Just more evidence that crack doesn't smoke itself. What do you recommend to buy? UAL? |
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said by Count Hogula$:
Sure...diversification isn't doing anything. That's why Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Barclays Global, Merrill Lynch, GE Asset Management, and a ton of other investment firms are grabbing up Microsoft stock and others like Janus, J P Morgan and Vanguard have made a fortune from profit taking with Microsoft this last quarter. Hell, Vanguard, one of the best performing investment groups has Microsoft as more than 3% of it's total portfolio and owns nearly 2% of all outstanding Microsoft shares.
Just more evidence that crack doesn't smoke itself. What do you recommend to buy? UAL?
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson
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Hmmmm, wonder why Goldman Sachs along with some of those other nice investment banks are being investigated because of Enron and other "flakey" companies given great ratings. Maybe we should get Arthur Anderson to do a quick audit while we are at it.
I have very little faith in investment banking firms since they are very closely tied with the same coorporations they invest in with members on each other's board of directors.
As for Microsoft, they have, for the most part, bought their way into the marketplace. Here are a few examples:
Internet Explorer - bought
MSN - copy of AOL
Visio - recently bought
Microsoft Networking - bought
They have become a marketing company using their size to their advantage. Otherwise, nothing new out of them for a while. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Who actually invents anything? Mac OS look, stolen, AMD and Cyrix x86 architecture, stolen. Hell, the 80586 was called Pentium because Intel's competitors even stole the 586 name. What, Porsche shouldn't sell cars because they didn't invent the internal combustion engine? Should Philips not make CD's because they didn't invent the plastic? Everything comes from something else either in part or in whole and then improved upon like MSDOS.
Meanwhile MSFT makes money...and a lot of it, has no debt and makes a ton of its investments.
People can bitch about Microsoft...but how MSFT management runs the company isn't one of them. They have been a historically good performer during good times and bad and continue to do so.
As for "flakey"...Goldman Sachs is BUYING the stock...I make no reference as to their recommendation. S&P has no impropriety issues and continues to be highly respected. |
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pffft was accurate, MSFT is not profiting on ANY OF ITS ATTEMPTS TO BRANCH OUT. The OS makes profits of about 2.5 billion on revenues of about 3 billion, and the office software makes almost the exact same. That is 5 billion in PROFIT in ONE QUARTER.
The Xbox, MSN, etc are all losing in the hundreds of millions per quarter. Microsoft could be turning its 500%+ profit margins into dividends which would send the stock price far higher, but it is looking at the long term. Like a mob boss who sees the risks of crime and uses his casino and cat-house to fund investments into legitimate business, so too is MSFT relying on its potentially illegal monopolies to rake in huge amounts of capital, which it can use to dominate other markets.
Unfortunately MSFTs attempts at expansion have met with failure, but this failure is intentional. MSFT is intentionally losing money in order to wrestle market share from competitors in the old-school 1800s monopolistic style. The deception of it all is that once MSFT grinds competitors into the dust by giving everything away cheap, it will establish MORE monopolies and jerk up prices to screw everyone.
MSFT is dominant now because they are done with the federal lawsuit and no real opposition to their utter monopoly currently exists, leaving their 5 billion a quarter in profit untouched for some time to come.
If all of their expansions like MSN and Xbox were cut away and left to stand on their own, theyd all go bankrupt or otherwise collapse because their business model relies on the mother company to pump them full of cash.
Is MSFT a good investment? Probably, assuming you dont already believe speculators have inflated the price too much. It would appear that sucking in the insane profits that MSFT is bound to get in the next few years will make it possible for the company to branch out and dominate more and more markets. The bigger the company is and the more assets it owns an the more subscribers it has, the more it is truly worth.
But alot of people like me hate MSFT and would LOVE to see its 500% profit margins on its software get cut to under 100% if not more. It might not happen for some time, but anyone who buys MSFT stock is opening themselves up to the risk that another round of attacks on its monopoly will be more successful than the first, pulling the rug out from under the company and causing the stock price to drop, and who will get out first? Not the individual investor. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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The Encarta investment alone netted $1.25 billion dollars. XBox Live is a brand new investment as Windows once was. Their HW and Microsoft Press are both profitable. Meanwhile XBox sales continue to be better than expected with nearly 3:1 game to console purchase ratio expected this XMas. No console is profitable upon release...the first 2 years is about proliferation of the units which has thus far exceeded expectations. Gartner analyst P.J. McNealy explains console sales pretty simply, "It's a marathon...not a sprint." Money is made from software sales and licensing...not console hardware. And XBL is just another facet of .NET is only now is making its face know to residential customers...most of whom don't even know what it is. But when HomeStation appliances start coming out and the real war with Sony begins...it will be obvious that investments in MSN and XBox were about WAY more than games and broadband. It's about Microsoft's control of the emerging home control market. Cable and satellite tuners with built in TiVo type software an internal game console, featuring pay per play, VoD, MP3 (or whatever comes next), wireless networking, HDTV and internet services. These devices are the future and Microsoft needs to be starting now if it hopes to dominate the segment as it has with PC software and .NET is the center of the residental applications. Who knows if in 10 years there will be a recognizable version of the desktop PC in homes.
Again...look at who is buying. These are institutional investors. They don't make money off dividends...they make it off trading (profit taking).
All you guys hate Microsoft because it's vogue to hate Microsoft but it is not disputable that the way they manage their business is genius.
As for your MSN claims...they show losses because unlike AOL, MSN does not book in-house ads (advertising revenue is $147 million AO 3Q) for other Microsoft divisions as ad revenue even though MSN was the division that made the revenue and had that space gone to someone else...it would have made the money. So in effect...it's not the parent supporting MSN as much as a partnership of MSN supporting other parent products including XBox, .NET and other portal operations like MoneyCentral. It's an advertising vehicle for a lot of Microsoft products and the credit for huge software sales lies in part to other company efforts like the portal operations. |
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Who gives a shit whether Microsoft bought their way into the marketplace? Their investors certainly don't. It appears only nerdy malcontents begrudge them their success.
I hope Microsoft continues to dominate. I hope they do buy Vivendi. They need to start locking down movie and music companies. |
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Hahha, you hate Microsoft because you're a loser. No one forces you to buy Microsoft software.
Pick a real battle you lamer. |
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jethrogump
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Unless you deal with their venture capital group you wouldn't know. It was spent on crap like failed broadband isp's, failed dsl ventures, failed software ventures and how bout that billion + on northpoint. The broadband initiative has never been thought out well its somthing along the line of what?? Hello?? AOL ???
Eventually this will catch up with microsoft just like Lwindows and Linux may it sure is in the upper end of the market.
Its real true I have seen some real stupid deals in my days out of this group and it always eventually catches up to you windows operating monopoly or not.
I wouldnt trade microsoft based on a analyst or their bull unless I really knew how to play the charts and do my technical analysis. Anyway I can play cubes QQQ and make a heck of alot more reward for the risk and money on microsoft. Stock wise microsoft my see trouble in 2003 its gonna be a nasty market. |
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they hit 50-50 on investment |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Venture capital group? LOL. Yep...they've been hearing this conjecture for 20 years. Never substantiated...never proved. Microsoft will fall to Apple. Microsoft will fall to Linux. Microsoft will fall to Lindows. Billion + on Northpoint?!? Try $31.5 million...and they got their service AND THE CUSTOMERS. The Billion you're thinking of is probably Comcast...who BTW is the nations largest cable provider and an XBOX Live Partner. Hmmmm...prime candidate for HomeStation deployment? You can smell the money pile.
WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Microsoft DOMINATES the PC landscape across the globe and there is ZERO indication that Linux desktop market share will unseat Microsoft anytime soon...or hell...anytime later.
Meanwhile major investment houses are making a mint from Microsoft's ever growing profit and domination of new market segments.
May see? Eventually this will?
Conjecture...pure conjecture. History has shown differently for Microsoft. |
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said by Count Hogula$:
it costs money to do crap right.
They obviously learned from the mistakes they made with MSN. almost every MSN review is in the horror story column. |
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said by jethrogump:
I can tell you the money pissed off is in the billions so that means if it was not pissed of the stock should be $20.00 higher.
Companies that piss off money usually see this bite them in the but sooner or later and I wouldn't bet on 2003 being a splendid year for a tech company.
$20.00 as share would help because this little rally they call it a bear market rally is just about over because funds have done the trading they are required to do this time of year.
I wouldn't consider solid investments as "pissed off". The vast majority of this kind of spending isn't even expensed, just transfered between balance sheet accounts as R&D intangibles. |
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vic102482
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Re: Waisted moneyThey have failed on alot of things latley, as piss poor as tech stocks have been its no surprise they posted a gain. The Xbox they have seen NO returns on, Windows XP they have seen only marginal returns, Xbox live probably wont profit off of that because of small consumer base. Microsoft is shooting to have 70 million people on xbox live by 2007, pssst yeah right, with ps3 in development sure whatever. Who will be buying .NET will you? I surely wont. Forget about all the M$ supporters in here, like I said in another thread let the numbers do the talking. People were talking about xbox vs. ps2 before here are the numbers I pulled
Xbox - 9.2 million units sold over the period of one year
Ps2 - 45.2 Million units sold over two years, xbox owns only a fraction of the market.
Compare sales of windows XP and you can go right on down the list, M$ is losing ground they sure as hell arent gaining.
You are correct, Microsoft is losing money, because they are losing the luster and edge that they once had before. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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said by vic102482:
They have failed on alot of things latley, as piss poor as tech stocks have been its no surprise they posted a gain. The Xbox they have seen NO returns on, Windows XP they have seen only marginal returns, Xbox live probably wont profit off of that because of small consumer base. Microsoft is shooting to have 70 million people on xbox live by 2007, pssst yeah right, with ps3 in development sure whatever. Who will be buying .NET will you? I surely wont. Forget about all the M$ supporters in here, like I said in another thread let the numbers do the talking. People were talking about xbox vs. ps2 before here are the numbers I pulled
Xbox - 9.2 million units sold over the period of one year
Ps2 - 45.2 Million units sold over two years, xbox owns only a fraction of the market.
Compare sales of windows XP and you can go right on down the list, M$ is losing ground they sure as hell arent gaining.
You are correct, Microsoft is losing money, because they are losing the luster and edge that they once had before.
First of all, Sony didn't make money on console sales either. They make it on software and licensing just as Microsoft does. And a fraction? 25% of the market when PS2 had a built in audience and a 1 year head start? I success so far of XBL and the conversion of some PS2 only publishers to XBox makes for a promising future. Now PS2 fanboys can rant and rave all they want...but the Sony CEO himself proclaimed that Microsoft, not Nintendo, is not Sony's main competitor and that XBox and killed the expected life cycle for PS2. In response to XBox's strong showing, Sony has pushed forward plans for PS3. Meanwhile, Microsoft is now working on HomeStation...the next home appliance plateau. This Sony Microsoft war has only begun...and just as Netscape and Corel found out...there is NO competing with Microsoft in the long run. Nintendo never thought they would lose to Sony...and Sony will suffer the same fate. Will I buy a PS3? Sure...I buy every console...but now people are seeing games like Splinter Cell...a PC and XBox exclusive and now Sony fanboys are suffering the same fate as XBox users did when titles like MSG were PS2 only. |
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Re: Hey...I'm happyConsole people Attack!! Incoming..
{ersonnaly i think Xbox is great, Ps2 is great and nintendo are great.But if you look at the market internationaly Sony is leading with nintendos gamecube trailing behind.Ofcourse in U.S its whole different thing.Well anyway Console sucked after Playstation one.Graphics are great gameplay zero or maybe i lost interest. |
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vic102482
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Re: Waisted moneysaid by Count Hogula$:
First of all, Sony didn't make money on console sales either. They make it on software and licensing just as Microsoft does. And a fraction? 25% of the market when PS2 had a built in audience and a 1 year head start? I success so far of XBL and the conversion of some PS2 only publishers to XBox makes for a promising future. Now PS2 fanboys can rant and rave all they want...but the Sony CEO himself proclaimed that Microsoft, not Nintendo, is not Sony's main competitor and that XBox and killed the expected life cycle for PS2. In response to XBox's strong showing, Sony has pushed forward plans for PS3. Meanwhile, Microsoft is now working on HomeStation...the next home appliance plateau. This Sony Microsoft war has only begun...and just as Netscape and Corel found out...there is NO competing with Microsoft in the long run. Nintendo never thought they would lose to Sony...and Sony will suffer the same fate. Will I buy a PS3? Sure...I buy every console...but now people are seeing games like Splinter Cell...a PC and XBox exclusive and now Sony fanboys are suffering the same fate as XBox users did when titles like MSG were PS2 only.
Nothing but a bunch of he said she said here say. Sony IS making a return on their PS2 and that began this summer that they were making a profit and Microsoft is not. You leave out the price drop that completley cought Microsoft with their pants down, what about that? What about all of the million sellers that the PS2 has, lets take for instance that they make money only off of Software sales, Sony still doesnt dawrf Microsoft then? I dont even think I need to list the more than 15 million seller and to be million seller games. The xbox costs way more to man. than the PS2 does and for right now as the numbers speak the xbox is in no competition. People talk about sales raising 125% after the price drop well I think thats also water under the bridge. If sales were shitty before then what do you expect? Of course Nintendo is of no competition my 9 year old sister can tell you that. The gamecubes werent exactly sold out on release day. You are correct ps2 did have a 1 year advantage, but errrr only 25%? You also tottaly leave out the fact of game support. Ps2 and gamecube have alot of games that are specific to only those two consoles, I dont think that Sony said okay you can only sign with Nintendo and not M$, I think game developers just said the xbox aint worth the trouble. SPlinter Cell, Blah:(, it cannot in todays conditions ever live up to the standards of Final Fantsy X, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, Grand Theft Auto III, and Vice city, SOCOM what about all those, the list goes on and on and on. The stakes are different here, this is the first time that Microsoft needs to make a name for themselves, this is the first time that Microsoft actually came up short, this is the first time that Money doesnt matter. That is the difference here. M$ has no SOCOM, they have no Grand Theft, have no xbox online for Madden 2003. Remeber Microsoft is not the software developer here, that is what is so different, but of course people dont realize that. Before it was the batle of software when it came to Netscape and corel. You tell me how many people are running out and buying MSG for xbox? This is different this time, before it was a battle of the companies, there is no company to battle with open source, there is no company to battle with video games, there is only Sony but they are the hardware makers. If ANY more titles stay on the PS2, PS3 and Gamecube exclusive tip then Microsoft will lose with the homestation too. I dont see what this homestation will do for the average hardworking 16 year old, who grew up on PS2 so is naturally going to buy the PS3. Most people grew up on Windows, but they arent going to run out and switch to linux, a parallel to the argument that you are making. You are saying that the xbox has better hardware(which is true), and we all know that the xbox doesnt have the software support like ps2 does. An exact parallel to that would be eveybody would have linux now, linux IS better than Windows IMO, but doesnt have the software support, the same parallel with Playstation and xbox (reveresed of course), but everybody doesnt have linux or an xbox, because they are the new comers to the table without the software support. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Bad mouthing Splinter Cell? Dem dar's fightin' words. After such silliness I can't take anything you say seriously. SC is one of the most applauded games at E3 and universally recognized as a great game.
And as Konomi came to its senses about MSG, Squaresoft's money woes will cause the same thing. Oh my...no more proprietary titles. Opps...Resident Evil leaves PS2 for GC. No more DOA. No GT2002. No Mechassault. No SW Knights of the Old Republic. There's no reason to buy a PS2 anymore. And now with Sony dumbing down titles like BMXXXX...what's next? Ghost Recon Paintball? Tekken4 slap fighting? Even shared platform products are coming out on XBox before PS2...a sharp change from a year ago.
Who needs Madden with the superior graphics and gameplay of NFLFever and NFL2K3?
PS2 is obsolete and they are losing the most important proprietary publishers. And GTA doesn't make a console...especially with such a sub-par graphics engine. |
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vic102482
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said by Count Hogula$:
Bad mouthing Splinter Cell? Dem dar's fightin' words. After such silliness I can't take anything you say seriously. SC is one of the most applauded games at E3 and universally recognized as a great game.
Who needs Madden with the superior graphics and gameplay of NFLFever and NFL2K3?
Okay, just wait and see thats all I have to say. Playstation 2 sells more. College kids want a PLAYSATION NOT AN XBOX, teenagers want a PLAYSTATION not an xbox, men in their 20s and 30s want the xbox. Who wants playstation 2? oh yeah nobody I guess, 45 million are just bloated numbers, and people arent going to go with the playstation 3 over the xbox just like people are going to start rushing over to linux. New technologys comers always have to break the trend. Windows has a trend over linux, everybody is not just goning to "run" over to the system. Your argument has no base its only opinionized, I have numbers, previous trends, and I have a first hand view of the most numerous (college kids) of video game buyers. No one can argue the popularity of the playstation 2 by just walking down the street, EVERYONE of my friends has a PS2, only a few have xbox, and I know the same is for you and alot of other people that surf this site (just my own personal speculation). Ive been talking to people and just like people say I have been using windows for x amount of years and I dont feel like switching, the same goes for the ps2. What happened to turbograffix 16 and neogeo? Superior to the nintendo in everyway except for video games. You can make your argument of splinter cell or whatever that game is to 9 million, I can make my argument to 5 times as many. Like I said before, this is the first time htis is an up hill battle for M$, so this will turn out different, there is a different set of circumstances. |
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Re: Hey...I'm happy Your pension funds buy they whole NASDAQ 100 and the Dow. They regularly allocate percentages to stocks and move in and out of stocks especially around October and November each years. They also over pay for real estate like they are doing today. Your investment firms yell the recession is over the recession is over buy buy buy. On every charge I get between 2 and 20 calls a day on this stuff. The new investment firm yell is?  The republicans are in control!! George Bush is on a roll!! Push!! Push!! Push!!! This is exactly the bull an investment firm puts on their clients. Why because they live on commissions and selling analysis. Microsoft has a good product line to cover investment tactics. I personally think a company this big should pay a dividend. When I look at one year and 5 year stock performance I am more impressed by Johnson and Johnson. » finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MS ··· &z=m&q=lMicrosoft in the stock market is nothing more that a stock we trade using sentiment, EmaAnalysis, MACD, RSI and Fibonacci Numbers yep mid term its bearish but still bullish in this little bear rally today. if you want to risk $5,400.00 for 100 shares you might get a reward 3 bucks on a short term or wait a few years for it and get a long term capital gane. Better ways to play the old stock game today I think. Here are some key support and resistance numbers for you though. Support/Resistance Type Value Conf. resist. 60.86 1 resist. 59.04 3 resist. 57.20 4 resist. 55.79 11 supp 53.44 4 supp 50.74 9 supp 49.04 4 supp 46.81 2 supp 45.88 2 supp 43.18 4 supp 41.41 2 If you want to hold long term I would look for something with more upside potential like a TWTC. |
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Stocks that trade basically sideways need to provide share holders with a dividend and yep the msft chart it sure aint up:( |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Re: Waisted moneyYep...the gum flapping fanboy rhetoric sounds familiar
Netscape Navigator
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Sony should go ahead and order their headstone now...their days are numbered. |
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vic102482
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vic102482
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2002-Dec-10 12:28 pm
Yeah.....sure. Try some number crunching instead of the typical CEO he said she said. |
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Count Hogula$Notorious Dog
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Wow...right out the Netscape and Corel handbook.
Already, with their first console Microsoft has 25% of the installed based as the well established Sony units. And now Microsoft is getting long Sony only namesakes like Metal Gear Solid to write games for them.
Clock's ticking fanboy...Netscape...Corel...IBM...Sony |
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