Broadband Black Holes

These people should stop fooling around with letters and consolidate their efforts. Put a group together that represents their community and have Broadband Companies send them bids on giving them the service they need. That's what it took for us in Sun City Palm Desert, California. In a community of 5000 homes, Verizon could not bring us DSL. So no one paid attention to us till we put a group together and started rattling some cages. Time Warner listened and we are all happy with our fast connection.

ALC

atm if fiber isnt an option they could just put up a multi-megawatt microwave tower im sure the state would love that.

Gov. Joe won't listen to anyone who doesn't have a fist full of cash. Fill his pockets and magically you'll get whatever you're trying to do done, even if it's dumping toxic waste. Pay to play...the campaign theme of Davis.

Just ask Tosco and Oracle.

How many voted in the governors race? I would be surprised if out of the people able to vote maybe 10% actually did. If Davis and his cronies are refusing to help then they had a chance to do something.

I think it's much worse being 4,000 feet too far away for DSL, 4 miles too far away for WISP, and no cable, like me. I would completely understand a 21 mile fiber run deficit.

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That's what it took for us in Sun City Palm Desert, California

Sun City has a lot more money than Humboldt County, I doubt they have the political influence you would. It's like comparing Natchez, Mississippi with Beverly Hills. Your 5000 houses probably make more than the whole of Humboldt County. I live about 140 miles or so south of Eureka, in Redwood Valley, about 8 miles north of Ukiah in Mendocino County. We also lack the clout in Sacramento needed.

Very well said. It is a shame that the Republicans had to nominate Simon over Riordan.

Why? It made sure they would lose the elections! You think the Republicans would listen any more than Davis? You'd see even more people hurting under them, sorry, but they aren't know for their generosity towards the average joe.
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"they aren't know for their generosity towards the average joe."

Yeah, I know. They just support the businesses that keep the average joe working. But then again, they are really jerks for expecting people to work, aren't they?

Not you again, thought I had you on ignore, before I do, thanks for the Propaganda speech, Not!
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Environmentalists and other anti-technologists reign supreme there, except in Silicon Valley itself. Write the state off and move somewhere with uglier trees.

Hmm, someone from PA telling us about our state?? Go worry about your own state, and get your facts straight. It's obvious you think the Enquirer is Pullitzer Prize materials.

said by RR Conductor:

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Hmm, someone from PA telling us about our state??

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Your state may want to listen. Our energy system is completely deregulated and we don't have rolling blackouts here

Did you READ the article ?! The fees cover way more than environmental impact, as they also include safety assurance for drivers, workers, etc.

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Your state may want to listen. Our energy system is completely deregulated and we don't have rolling blackouts here

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The good old "If we can do it, so can you" argument. Too bad that's not the case. Each state is different, with different people and different politics. Its just like democracy can't work in every nation...

let's look at it this way, even if 90% of NO calif. voted against, 50% of the greater LA area , well LA would win since it can still double that number of No. Calif.. any politician do not campaign in the rural,
the $$ are in the metropolis, there for any company will only cater to those, rather to the rural. it really is , where the $$ is at, has nothing to do with location.
it is the same in many states, eastern washington verses western washington, , east side of Colo, verses west side.
Even though a company could supply the rural area, there is no hugh profit, as it would be for a metropolis.
heck were I live I am surrounder by 3 cable companies, 2 end 1mile in 2 of the directions from me the other is 2 miles, if they were to add cable out here, to the different routes that do not have cable is aproxmently about 10 miles of laying cable for all these homes. but we may just be talking about 20-30 homes in that area, odds of getting all homes to connect are not great for the cable companys, they will not lay out cable for 3 or 5 homes, in a 10 mile stretch. no extra $$ for the cable company, there for no cable.

FYI Cfeicht. I know this is off topic, but your profile signature: "The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact." was written by Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, not Andrew Jackson. Sorry, but I figured you'd want to know.

Booo hooo hoo the stupid tree huggin hippies that live there are finally reaping what they have sewn. I live about 200 miles west of humbolt county and have both DSL and cable. The problem is and has always been the same, that county is overrun with tree hugging hippies who protest any kind of progress and then bitch when they dont have the same things other counties have. People will not even try to do business there anymore because of all the hippie activist BS that goes on there. If they want nature and all its glory....good for them but they need to learn to live within the county they have created which means poor cell phone service, poor internet access, and an overall piss poor technology infrastructure. Dont feel sorry for these folks they did it to themselves.

Did I miss something or does everyone think there is only one way to get Broadband! All you guys think that SBC is the only show in town. Yes, certain areas and towns have more clout than others, but knowledge and persistence goes a long way. These days it is not enough to want something and beg governments and companies to give it to you. You almost have to show them how it should be done and who will give it to you. When it comes to Broadband don't bank on one solution, open up your options and you'll be amazed at how these companies will come running to your aid. If you want it done right you have to do it yourself.

ALC

said by RR Conductor:

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Why? It made sure they would lose the elections! You think the Republicans would listen any more than Davis? You'd see even more people hurting under them, sorry, but they aren't know for their generosity towards the average joe.
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Well seeing as Davis and the legislature have run the state into the ground, $24 billion in deficit, and now MASSIVE middle class tax hikes on the horizon...anything would have been better. Per mile taxes on driving, soda taxes, special SUV taxes, income tax hikes for nearly every bracket...tripling of DMV fees making the average car like an Accord costing $500+/yr in registration fees...with all of the increase going to the general fund instead of where it is badly needed...roads and light rail. In addition to punish us for not wanting out taxes raised Davis wants to cut parks and hospitals. Funny that he doesn't cut the 1/3+ increase in spending he laid on us over the last few years...including 30,000 new government workers. It's just a shame that he took massive surpluses and turned them into deficits by coming up with new permanent programs instead of providing tax relief or paying off old bonds. Now out deficit rivals the total budgest of MOST STATES.

Davis' entire record is not defensible and the economy in California is such a mess I don't think Simon would have done any better...but the continued direction Democrats in California are taking us is just farther off that short pier. A massive rethinking of economic and over taxation policies is what is needed...and I don't care who does it so long as it's done. Nothing would make me happier than to see Davis give up his whoring ways and start serving the PEOPLE of California for a change instead of selling his services to the highest bidder.

It is my fear that while the rest of the country makes an astounding economic turn around...from recession to decent growth...California will be left behind...far behind.

said by Klendathu:

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Very well said. It is a shame that the Republicans had to nominate Simon over Riordan.

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Simon was just not up to the whoring task of Davis. Davis is a professional politician and it showed. Simon wasn't beaten in the war of ideas...he was outspent by lies and attack ads. Davis has NO agenda of his own...only attacking everyone else.

Just goes to show how the Democratic party has changed over the last 50 years.

None of these problems will be solved until corporations are banned from campaign contributions. ONLY when the only people permitted to contribute are REGISTERED VOTERS will they have a voice. These special interest groups whether they're environmental wackos or corporate scumbags...their's is the only voice heard in American politics. I see NO reason why a corporation...with NO voting power should have any right of free speech in the form of a campaign contributions. Constitutional protections should ONLY extend to individuals. Perhaps that would also stem this rash of shenanigans that is going on in Corporate America if they know at any time they can have their books investigated.

Well then if that was the truth (Instead of just Rhetoric) then SBC would have everything it wants and more, as that is their business practice. (Pay off state Politico's and then do whatever they want.)

This is the truth. You should see what the tree huggers are doing in Mendocino County (right next door) to try and stop a cell phone company from putting up service on an existing tower site.

The people have no understanding that their lack of services is their own doing.

They just haven't spent enough yet. The it's the typical hand out...taking bill after bill until the stack is heavy enough...then it's "I'll see what I can do."

Meanwhile, there are countless examples that this is in fact what goes on in California politics. Just ask Oracle and Tosco. It's a shame too...I'm sure not all Democrats are so corrupt as to think this is an okay policy.

Dont feel sorry for these folks they did it to themselves.

You don't live there, what gives you the right to judge them? I live on their southern border, in Mendocino County. Oh, and lay off the tree hugging crap, loving nature does not a nut make! Oh, by the way, unless you live in the Ocean, Redding is EAST of Humboldt County, not West.

Do you live in Mendocino County? I do, I suggest you study up more on us, Verizon and Edge Wireless are putting up several towers, with little or no resistance.

Your County Planning Department and Planning Commissions approved Edge Wireless with no possible faults found, as they just want a new equipment shed for an existing tower. But then the Tree Huggers appeal and claim there are all sort of health risks to be worried about?

Come on. Go read the minutes and your own newspaper and see what fools you've got. What resistance does there need to be if they are following your own County's regulations and being graded "A-plus" while doing it?

The idea there should be resistance is part of the problem.

Well, if towers are going up, and coverage is improving(which it is), then what's the problem?

I think that's the point. People there complain about good things. Reasonable people need to speak up about it.

Doesn't $18 per foot seem a little high for an encroachment fee for buried fiber? Can't blame our One-Only-True-Local-Real-Honest-Infinite-Tommy-Lee-Jones-Phone-Company SBC-from-Texas for sticking with the current setup.

Well, it's kinda like those who cry that there are not enough prisons or landfills, then bitch about their property values being lowered if one is being considered anywhere close to their homes.
There are ways to satisfy the technophiles and the "tree-huggers".
I want to see nature preserved and it can be done while upgrading the infrastructure in a given area.
Austin, Texas is a pretty good example, overall. It's in the hill country in Texas, and around there the municipalities take steps to build AROUND nature instead of mowing it down.
The problem is that the data - along with all voice traffic - must be funneled through a microwave antenna on its way to the backbone of the Internet.
Problem with it is that it is probably OC-12 capacity at best, if it is even a digital link.
Top that off with the fact that all other traffic to that area is going over that link and you have a bottleneck problem of massive proportions. Add to that the fact that there are groups wanting to stop the addition of additional microwave towers because they think they are giving their children cancer and you have a massive problem working.