Kazaa Cat and Mouse

US copyright law cannot be enforced on the entire planet!
let us all join together in song, or we could all just download and play the same song at once

It's one thing to use sponsored congressmen to shut down a company in the US, it's another to use those same guys to interact in 5 countries!

Even if the RIAA is successful, how will they enforce the judgement - have Bush threaten to bomb them ala Iraq if they don't comply??

Stay tuned, this will get interesting...

hahahah =P
this reminds me of this plan by napster when they were getting sued to base there servers off of some off shore oil rig that was in internation waters or something =p

said by "Washington Post":

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The coalition says the service has become a "candy store of infringement," where millions of pirated copies of songs, writings, TV shows and motion pictures are available to anyone, free.

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I find it ironic how RIAA blames everyone but themselves for this. 17$ for a CD that costs 20 cents for them to manufacture?

TV shows they don't want to release on DVDs?

Motion Pictures that they charge 9$ to show so they can afford to pay multimillion dollar salaries to actors and actresses? What kind of crap is that...Does Jim Carrey need 10 million a movie? In this economy people can't find jobs not to mention go watch 9$ movies. Maybe RIAA needs to get it's head out of its ass

"Lawyers for the Recording Industry Association of America and Motion Picture Association of America, on the other hand, have issued a statement saying Kazaa is perpetrating an "intricate international shell game aimed at evading the U.S. court's jurisdiction and avoiding liability" by spreading its operations around the world."

uhh... yea, that's the whole reason why they set up Kazaa in the frickin first place. Leave it to lawyers to point out the obvious....

I hope they can't find the people responsible and I hope they never stop kazaa,Or imesh for that matter.

All I have to say is..HAHAHAHA.

I have no problem with conventional US copyright law... The DMCA on the other hand is draconian.

they wont succeed there are too many factors involved!

plus there is no way to inforce because why would those countries want to put that stress on their judicial system???

like the other guy said... drop the prices of cds, release cd SINGLES, cut movie ticket prices, LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC!

kumbaya...kumbaya

said by Nick:

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said by "Washington Post":

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The coalition says the service has become a "candy store of infringement," where millions of pirated copies of songs, writings, TV shows and motion pictures are available to anyone, free.

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I find it ironic how RIAA blames everyone but themselves for this. 17$ for a CD that costs 20 cents for them to manufacture?

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I agree with you in theory but total cost of manufacture, studio time, artist wages, production, mastering, advertising cost more than .20 cents a cd. Depending on the amount of cd's pressed, I'd say it's more than likely it costs between $1-2. It's much higher for independent artists who have to cover most of the costs themselves. But yeah, cd's shouldn't be $15-18. I think the way to get more people in to the stores, and thus revenue for the labels and artists, is to lower the cd prices unilaterally to something around $7-9. It's my opinion that if cd prices were $7.99-9.99 (depending on new releases vs. old ones) they'd fly off the shelves, and the music industry would make more money in the long run due to volume sales. It's the Walmart-effect. Lower prices, earn more in the long run.

RIAA You will be Beaten, the entire issue of priracy and p2p is simply to big to be Beaten, well thats what i think any way

I love Kazza and lame US lawyers can't do anything about it.

I hope that KaZaA and the other surviving p2p companies put the screws to Hillary "Blowsem" & the RIAA.

There needs to always be a voice in opposition to the rampant unchecked abuse of power that is the governing body of the Music, Television & Movie Industries.

I for one, am glad that Karma is proving to be the age old equalizer......... " What goes around comes around "

Go get 'em

i would not touch KAZAA or KAZZA lite i dont trust it, on my system, well thats just me

Even at 7.99$ is pushing it...Think about it, they can afford to sell singles at 3-4$ so why not sell albums at 5-6$? I can make a list long enough to wallpaper my room of cds and dvds I'd buy if they were 5-6$ each.

In its logical extension, this P2P file sharing activity will hurt artists, labels, and entertainment retailers everywhere. it will almost certainly cause many ISPs to raise prices because P2P traffic accounts for well over half of their total bandwidth usage. This will have a negative impact on the majority of law-abiding ISP customers. As an ISP, I can tell you that the sentiment in the ISP community runs very strong against this violation of Acceptable Use Policies. We don't make the laws, those are the product of open public debate, thoughtful deliberation, and due process of law. We have little recourse but to enforce them however, or face legal action by the RIAA and others.

The whole thing is one big over priced monopoly. Kazaa and the like have gotten me to like music again. There is a lot of stuff I download I would buy if it was available. Some is older and not available anymore. Some is by smaller groups the industry cares the least about. Some is by major bands but recorded live or fun stuff they did in a recording studio that will never end up on a CD. I am surprised by what I find available for download. I walk in most record stores and see the same old stuff. So I say price it fairly and make much more music available. If it is not for sale I can not buy it.
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the RIAA is just an attempt to control information, in this case music, and movies through its good friends. granted that this information is not a vital or essential thing for
most people.
However history has already shown us what happens when powerful governments, or groups attempt to control the flow of information.
if they are not destroyed, they become a totalitarian state.
Anyone feel like burning some books?

Simple - buy up all the debt ridden ISP and put a *gasp* cap on upload and download.

Its about the that the US learned the lesson that they cannot make domestic laws internation, just by pure convience. Adobe recently lost their lawsuit against a russian company through the DCMA. I am getting tired of the US trying to bully other countries around, and this has no moral merit whatso ever, its simply a lawsuit over nickels and pennies. Its time that the US learned its lesson.

Before Napster came about, music was all over the net. The easiest place to find it was on websites. then they shut them down, and napster came out. Before Kazaa one could still find movies and programs on the web. People use(d) usenet, irc, ftps, etc... Kazaa made it so the every day guy can get free stuff. I dont care what happens to kazaa. i'll still get what I want. The easier it gets for people to find what they want for free, the more vicious the RIAA, MPAA, and IDSA will get. More people will learn about alternative services that make up the internet in the future, but piracy will never be stopped.

I got a story for ya:

I went to a pretty new high school in a rich town. I would buy lunch at school for a reasonable price of $1.75. The next year, my school district signed a contract with Aramark to supply the schools with food. With that, they raised prices, and decreased portions to cut costs. Guess what happened? Kids started stealing lunch. I'd say about 30-40% of students stole lunches the first semester that they raised the prices (this was possible because of the way the cafeteria was laid out). The students didnt want it. We were paying more for less (sound familiar?). The next semester, the school left the prices the same but increased our portions. Theft went down to about 1% again. The school made their profits again, and the students were getting their food again. Moral of the story? People (even kids) WANT to do the right, legal thing. BUT, if the right thing doesnt benefit us in any way, then we will undermine the "right" way.

RIAA, MPAA: take a note.

Imagine how much that 7-9 dollar CD would cost if you:

Didn't need to press CDs
Didn't need to produce cover art
Didn't need to provide jewel cases
Didn't need to use trucks and air-carriers to distribute the above items literally all over the planet

It would cost about a dollar.

It's called electronic on-demand distribution.

Its called the reason why I have only purchased one CD in the last year.

Until the music industry can provide music electronically they will all continue to loose billions.

"Lawyers are irrelevant. International boundaries are irrelevant. Laws are irrelevant. Lower your firewalls and prepare to be assimilated. You will all become one with the RIAA."

LOL ... That's one of the funniest paragraphs I've ever read.

Good story, the RIAA definatly knows that, but with all of their capitol at stake they will never admit to that fact. The RIAA calls Mp3 downloading stealing, and rightly so at that, but they have been stealing from consumers for as long as the association has existed.

Stop all this talk about cheap CD's and go with free ones.. why not?? No one values the artists time spend making the song, or the mixers/mastorers time nor does anyone care about the equipment cost involved with making a CD. No one cares that the buildings must be built and proper equipment used to record the sounds, naw, all that is free too. No money is spent their. The promotional posters, why they are free too.. along with the rest of the promotion materials. Everything is free! Yep, everything is free folks, stop this nonsense about capatilism, making money or even making a profit for investors in companies. We don't need that, just have everyone make all forms of CD's free and we'll be just fine won't we?

No way is anyone ever going to stop Kazaa and its billions of users......its just not going to happen, that would be like trying to stop every person from looking at porn, web cracks, and hacked games and software....like i said, never going to happen. You would have to shut down so many sites, and all they would have to do is leave the country, setup a server on a small island or in another country. I dont think it is something we have to wory about, except for the new licensed music, that has a time limit, burn proof....that is whats going to happen i think. It will all just be music that has to be dowloaded and then bought.

kazaa is the wiener riaa just cant squeeze =P

said by Nick:

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Even at 7.99$ is pushing it...Think about it, they can afford to sell singles at 3-4$ so why not sell albums at 5-6$? I can make a list long enough to wallpaper my room of cds and dvds I'd buy if they were 5-6$ each.

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The reason singles are cheaper isn't necessarily because of the media/printing cost, it's the cost incurred on recording time. It's a lot cheaper, and faster, to record one song (i.e. singles) than it is an entire album. And a lot of bands have to cover expensive studio times (usually $75-100+ per HOUR), have to pay session musicians (also expensive) and so on. Then you multiply this by 10-12 songs it dictates that naturally an album is more expensive than a single. I don't think $7.99 is all that expensive, personally. An hour or two of a person's wages for literally hours of listening and entertainment. Not to mention the countless hours the artist spent creating the album.

I also agree with Steve G. that the labels need to get with the game plan on digital transmitting of albums. There are some alternatives in place already but it falls short. Personally I don't really care for mp3's because of the substandard audio quality and having to deal with finding quality rips and incomplete albums. Also I genuinely want to support the artist and care about the album as a whole (i.e. I like the artwork, the liner notes and so on). Another thing is what if you bought all these albums digitally and your hard drive fails? I just had my first hard drive failure and losing data really sucks. But yeah, they need to offer alternatives because some people don't care about having the liner notes and so on.