Use a Firewall, Go to Jail

But will it, I dont think so.

Same thing with Intel putting a patent on overclocking hindering technology, its to stop those that try to make a profit, not the geeks that overclock.

That is sad to have legislation like that, and I am sure that verizon and comcast will try to use that to their advantage to force those to grab more IPs for extra fees. But again thats not likley.

Its too impractical, and this is just another example of people trying to control something they dont understand. Its too vaguly worded and too silly to have any reguard. Who is the unfortunate idiot that presented this legislation?

listen this is a joke? how about all of us get together with 1$ and sue riaa/dmca for beeing dumb

Last i checked something you bought or own is yours and weather or not you let someone see it or what's in it was your option. correct me if im wrong but people use firewalls to keep people and virus out of there pc not to snoop in other peoples pc. That is a bunch of Legislative Bull. said my peace got to go peace.

Let's demand that ALL candidates for political positions be REQUIRED to take, and PASS with a score of 95 or better, computer literacy and computer science classes so that those **ck*** idiots in power can get a clue!!!

Idiots, all!

If something like this where to pass then Hackers/Crackers would run rampant in our computer systems and then use our unprotected computers to attack the very people that are trying to put something like this in place hmm.. Plus not to mention what would happen to the business market's in these area's, there secret's would be out in a matter of day's following the passing of anything like this. this is just plain ludicrous. And 1 more thing I can't share my internet connection between my computer........ ugg sure the IRAA has something to do with this...

What's next? Lawsuits against Zonelabs for software firewalls, Linksys and Cisco for routers and hardware firewalls, etc.?

Or will the states mentioned endorsing the bill ban such technologies from their state, like VA and DC do for radar detectors? (Radar detectors are illegal to use in these states, but not to own, since the rest of the country considers it illegal and people pass through these areas.)

I can see it now...a black market for routers and firewalls...a raid into your home because you have a router to provide your broadband to the computers in your house...entire businesses being shut down because all of their computers are networked and have firewalls...
PLEASE!

The RIAA must be putting some big $$ into these jerk's pockets. Its obvious that these politicans don't think before making up these bills.

I worked at a local county, in which after 5 years I was perm. laid off. I was the IT director there.. I knew things got to a breaking point when the one commissioner said 'We have too much technology', and then proceeded to ask me why do we need a 911 center, when all the dispatchers do is sit there.

My jaw just literally dropped. I swear you have to make an effort to be that stupid. Its sad that we americans don't know who we truly are putting into office.

This is just pure, insane bull$hit. I guess they're afraid our firewalls will keep the RIAA from snooping our PC's for any dreaded MP3's! The politician's, of course, will be exempt from this.

Not suprized by this at all. I don't think it will happen for one simple reason; there are other lobbiest (sp?) group with money that will be against it. The network gear maker's bottom line is being bolstered by the sale of 'home networking' products. With business spending down the home market is the only bright spot for these hardware vendors.

It's tough to really address the issue because the linked article is obviously bashing the bills. I'm not saying I agree with the bills, but the viewpoint here on BBR will probably be tainted from the get-go because of the tone of that article. Not a big deal.

Anyhow, this is a good example of how on important issues, we really need our decision makers to have some sort of resource to come explain things to them. When they talk about wars, military advisors come and explain things to them. When they talk about agriculture, scientists and farmers explain things. If they would bother to have a group of analysts or experts come in and explain to them what their silly ideas mean in the real world, beyond some some bill meant to pacify a vocal minority (whether a minority with good views or bad views), maybe they could spend their time discussing good things, like how McDonald's has made us all fat.

Now, if they have had some experts explain things to them, then shame on the "experts" for screwing it up.

said by EasyNetwork$:

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listen this is a joke? how about all of us get together with 1$ and sue riaa/dmca for beeing dumb

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*sighn* whre do i send my $1?

another case of the government trying to spy on it's citizens. they want access to everything you do. paranoia..... this administration is remarkable.

Freaking idiots out of office. We need to elect people that care about what people think and need, not what some private company wants to impose on america. If we can have this, I saw we overthrow the goverment! Geeks and Freedom activist vs. The well bribed assholes in office.

One of my friends just lost his life over in IRAQ fighting for this country. He probably wouldn't have if he knew that one day this country is going to be ran by private corperation cause of the "donations" made to political positions.

This is BS.

to ME

mite as well take this news posting off and put it in the funny column because this will never happen

This totally shows the stupidity of elected officials with respect to the internet. We call them Dumb SOB's in Texas.

As they want to write this crap in Texas.

1. I can challenge this in court and win for many reasons.

2. Being I have allot of attorneys if I did go by this and got rid of that router and firewalls
and encryption I am so fond of and well got my always on connection hacked and well
my financial life destroyed I think I would be prepared to bring the brain child behind
this as a defendant in a lawsuit.

This is just another stupid little deal that you have to deal with by cutting off the genius who wrote this lobby money.

...my ass if it plans on coming to my house to get my Netgear MR314 WiFi router with NAT. Screw that crap! Come on computer-illiterate Deep South rednecks! Bring it on!

IronChefMorimoto

You would just have to make sure your ISP could access your computer at any time. You can still block all other IP addresses with a firewall.

I think the main point of the bill is to prevent encrypted P2P programs, under the guise of National Security. If the ISP can't follow what you transfer through P2P, and who you send it to, the RIAA and MPAA would not be able to mount a serious case against the ISP's.

However, if the ISP's have access to all of that information, and choose to ignore it, their case becomes much stronger.

If it were possible to sue for "... beeing dumb", we would _all_ be exposed to lawsuits. {Would this include spellign errors?)

If that bill does pass, our crappy libereal government here in Canada might think its a good idea. Already they enforce a stupid law to force all canadian tv channels to broadcast canadian commericals if the same show is playing on a us channel, and they force radio stations to play 35% (maybe more now) canadian content. Its crap, if its good I'll listen to it whatever country it came from. Also they force a levy on all blank recording media to "give" to starving canadian artists.

I shudder to think what our government would do with a law like that.

dang, I was taking cisco to set up "null routes" (removes you from being tracrouted as well with ping). I guess they finnany getting on the anomonizer's websites.

I think i know the real war now, the war in privacy.

I knew buying my linksys was a bad idea. Now I unhooked it and made sure my XP didn't have soft firewall on. I made passwordless admin account. Enabled NetBios and sharing. What else can I do? Is there and address I can send my HD copies to just in case my cable connection goes down?

PS: I hope every port is open. I don't want to go to jail just because some one lame port is blocked.

Status: Looking through options in Outlook to delete my digital encription key.

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said by rhodes69:

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If it were possible to sue for "... beeing dumb", we would _all_ be exposed to lawsuits. {Would this include -- errors?)

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Well if u go to jail for having firewall i be making fun of you But lets face it if somone comes to your house and puts you to jail for having a door lock i doubt u will go to jail smiling.

said by rit56:

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this administration is remarkable.

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The inability of people to comprehend that this is being attempted by individual states and not (currently) the federal government, is incredible.

The inability of people to comprehend that, even at the federal level, legislation is proposed by members of CONGRESS (the legislative branch) and not by the president (the executive branch) is also incredible.

Whatever your personal issues with the current "administration" are, I really think you need to take some lessons in comprehension and civics before you lay state-level legislative issues at the feet of the federal executive branch.

-tom

ever since cassette recorders and VHS, the RIAA/MPAA/DMCA havent had much to do. this is their proverbial golden goose and theyre going to milk this shit dry.

this is seriously stupid, i respect my privacy, and to spite them, im going to put up redundant firewalls and nat boxes.

then of course, none of THEIR systems can have firewalls and the like....so...we can totally screw them over im sure.
i get the feeling that the people who thought these up were sitting at home on the can, about to fall asleep because they cant pass last night's take-out, and then an epiphany hits them, "lets not allow people to stop us!" etc etc.

and about that lawsuit against them, hell...I think i'd chip in 10 bucks!

And you wonder why people make jokes about graduates of Texas A&M. This bill looks like an aggie joke.

The author of the Texas bill is Tommy Williams head of WoodForest Financial. Thats Wood Forest Bank out of Houston. He writes allot of stupid stuff. Its also in a committee that probably will trash it anyway.

said by vic102482:

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But will it, I dont think so.

Same thing with Intel putting a patent on overclocking hindering technology, its to stop those that try to make a profit, not the geeks that overclock.

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Have you been living in a cave for the past three years? The RIAA, MPAA, et al have not been restricting themselves to commercial pirates. In fact, they bought another piece of legislation (the "NET" act) which allowed them to seek big-time jail terms for non-commercial copyright violation, and now they're floating trial balloons about actually doing so (rather than merely using the threat as a chilling effect). It's exactly the geeks they're after -- and this latest push is no different in that respect.

Hey, rednecks are good people, some are my best friends. Shash.

The Internet is a decentralized cooperative global network of independent systems. Which set of words do you think best describes government: decentralized and independent; or centralized and controlling? It's that second one, right?

We talk about how we value independence in this country, but the idea of a truly independent, technologically savvy population scares the bejeebers out of many elected officials.

When government tells its people they can't be trusted with things like encryption and firewalls, they must be prepared to explain why people should trust government.

said by TexasGuy:

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Hey, rednecks are good people, some are my best friends. Shash.

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They ARE good people. I'm one of 'em. But some of 'em shouldn't be allowed to hold public office. This guy from Texas included.

Speaking of which, if Chuck Norris...a.k.a. Texas Ranger...comes to my damned door to arrest me for possession of -- HORRORS! -- my Netgear MR314, I'll make him wish he'd never been in that gay-ass CBS television show.

IronChefMorimoto