Download, Don't Upload

WTF?

well it sounds like a good plan, but after long enough if everyone only downloaded, there would be no one to get songs from.. in theory

For someone to "legally" download, another user must illegally upload.

/me hums O Canada

WTG Canucks!

SO now the canadians have to pay extra taxes for mp3 players ? G'damm .. i can see more canadian people importing ipods and stuff rom the states .. go to hell RIAA

So, song trading is legal as long as you don't trade songs?

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SO now the canadians have to pay extra taxes for mp3 players ? G'damm .. i can see more canadian people importing ipods and stuff rom the states .. go to hell RIAA

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Go to hell?!? I thought they were running the place...

....I think a move to Canada is due...

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He that feeds a disease, feeds an enemy. Some diseases are starved. Starve your sins by fasting and humiliation. Either kill your sin, or your sin will kill you. - Thomas Watson Harmless as doves 131

If your using a p2p service you can't download unless someone has it uploaded.... I think this is very STUPID.. $25.00 fee for mp3 players?? That is ridiculous and same with buying blank Cd's.. I don't always buy blank Cd's to put music on, do they not understand it's for data also??? This is all ludicrous, they need to get there facts strait, especially if they want to charge me extra money and hand it over to the RIAA.. Why don't the company's that produce the items pay a fee, not kill the consumer.. P2P is great and I still download and upload all i want, think about your chances of getting caught in the US.. Hmmm 100 million to 1 I think I'll take my chances...

Yeah, it is extremely stupid. That will just force more people to NOT buy music.

I think this issue is not going to be put to rest for a while... I worry about it. Especially with SOCAN trying to get the government to hold the ISPs liable for their customers traffic.

I still agree it's BS that we have to pay a blankey levy on any blank media. Especially with DVD-R's now- how did SOCAN convince the government that the majority of data being copied to them would be music? DVD-R is one of the best data backup solutions for home users, alongside tape now IMHO.

If they ever start taxing hard drives, we're going to have a serious problem.

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The RIAA has consistently criticized the Canadian government for 'failing' to enact legislation similar to the controversial DMCA laws here in the States

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I'd hardly call it a failing... I'm SO thankful that we don't have broken laws here in Canada like the DMCA that allow industries and corporations like the RIAA to sue 12-year old children, and 78-year old grandmothers, for using P2P services, without obtaining proof and having their lawsuits reviewed by the courts before sending notice.

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Why don't the company's that produce the items pay a fee, not kill the consumer

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Is it just me or does this make any sense at all.
If the said company is charged a fee they will just get it back by charging you more. Sorry but that line made no sense at all.

read the article and the links
it's NOT, and never has been, a sales or retail tax

it's always been a manufacturers tax
- but yes, the consumer ends up paying somewhere along the line

the changes to the mp3 player section is new though

but i can still buy a 50 pack of cd-r (for data backup n'est-ce pas) for $17

So, song trading is perfectly legal as long as you don't trade any songs?

If I had a consumer electronic store near the border I would erect a gigantic sIgn pointed north.

HEY CANADIANS COME TO MP3 HEAVEN LOCATED AT
1492 EAST EAT-A-COW, NO 25% TAX, SAVE MONEY.
ALL MP3 PLAYER'S COME IN A WEATHER PROOF BOX FOR
CONCEALMENT.

Unbelievable that the RIAA has power in other countries. I guess their world-domination plan is working.

Most players will have a $2 fee, it's the ones like the iPod and Dell DJ ones that people buying them won't mind spending $20 more because they are already dishing out $300+ more than the low line..

What would be nice is an MP3 cd player that uses DVD media.

Hmmmm.. so if uploading is illegal.. does that mean only uploading on P2P networks? What if you have a website with all the songs available for d/l.. does that mean you are 'uploading' if you have a website with the songs on it that people 'download' from? In essence, you had to 'upload' the songs to your website.

CanaDUH indeed..

Scary how the RIAA's reach is moving to other countries.

But, being that the public en masse is ignoring them, who cares.

Does anyone find it disturbing that the RIAA can control governments abroad? (Ok.. CanaDUH isn't really 'abroad' so to speak, but you get my meaning).

An end has to be put to this BS. We, the music loving people of the world, will buy the CD's we like. We will not buy what the RIAA and the BIG 5 force on us. When the music companies provide a way for me to d/l the songs I like, like my old KISS double plat and ELO songs, for which I ALREADY PAID on vinyl (you know what vinyl is right kids?) for a meager fee, I'll go with the program.

Until then, I will continue to d/l and make available those songs to others, ie sharing the music that makes the world go round.

Leeching....the act of taking, but not giving anything back
Trading.....the act of sharing files, uploading and downloading

File "trading" is not allowed under this law, only Leeching. And legal or not, when was the last time the RIAA went after a downloader in the US anyway? You can download all you want, it's the uploading they sue over.

So congrats Candadians....you can now do the same thing we can, but you get to pay a levy on blank media and MP3 players for it.

I'll give you the argument that uploading copyrighted works is perfectly legal also...provided you happen to have the authority to do so.

The RIAA et al get it wrong, as does this board in making it sound as if the recording industry is the one and only owner of ALL music copyrights in the world. Something which is of course completely bogus.

Let's also remember the nature of copyright...if I write a song, and I haven't sold my rights to someone else...I am the exclusive copyright holder of that music. If I decide to allow anyone & everyone to distribute it...that's MY business.

While I am here, I'll toss this out too...why aren't blank DVDs considered appropriate for personal copying? Could it be that they are (at least in theory) protected and thus the consumer is not allowed to make such a copy? If that is the case, if they get their wish in DRM -- i.e. that no copying be allowed, ever -- then in my view they should not be allowed to collect royalties on any blank media from that point forward.

As for the levy on MP3 players, it's just another case where the consumer is by default a criminal in the eyes of the music industry.

K.

And how are you supposed to download a song if no one is uploading it to you? Thats just messed up.

well the most screwed up part is most of these laws assume you have committed a crime and are treated accordingly without proof or flat out, any reason at all

its like charging $200 more for retail computers, because 1/3 of them are used for illegal purposes

or putting a fee on lighters because 1/10000 will be used to light up some crack

and zig zags will incure a fee because most people that buy them do so to smoke pot

comon where does it end?

The tax we pay on blank Cd's goes towards supporting the music industry. IMO everyone should pay a little extra for blanks and then the RIAA would be happy and leave everyone alone. In reality that's all the music industry wants. A piece of the pie. In this case here in Canada, it seems most uploads come from the states or elsewhere in the world. It's just saying that we pay the extra money for our blanks and help out the music industry so give us a break.

If you are paying the extra fee's..

ISP increase, tax on blank CD-R's, and tax on MP3 players ...

all to the RIAA for trading music, then why is trading music illegal? You are paying for it!?

That is my wtf@?

www.boycott-riaa.com
www.boycott-riaa.com/membership

It takes time to actually boycott an industry like this, but it is time well spent. After you find you want a cd from a group that is listed here by God CONTACT that group SOMEHOW and tell them why you cant Buy their music. Tell them you like their music but cannot support the RIAA in their evil efforts to take over the industry and repress the true freedom of music. Canadians, unite and protest any which way possible. Americans, do the same.

The RIAA will continue to fight in the courts(IE: spending money). But, if people aren't buying their music, they will run out of money and be forced to lay off. Key thing is to contact your leaders (Congressman, whatever) and let them know how you feel. Most do try to help the people that vote for them if enough people make their feelings known.

/rant off gotta stop

PS: Same goes for the MPAA.

Well we pay a levy on the MP3 players, on the CD's, on the DVD's, and they also want to try putting a levy on our internet connections. Not a surprise, ofcourse the levy is taxed.

As i've said before, Oh Canada, We stand on Guard for MP3

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And how are you supposed to download a song if no one is uploading it to you? Thats just messed up.

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I still upload.. CRIA and SOCAN arn't suing people yet... That's what the levy is for...