 SKYHNLu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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join:2001-09-16
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SKYHN
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2004-May-10 9:13 am
$45,000??Theres no couplings for Fiber?? Good god.
Whats a fiber cable doing in that kind of an area anyways? I thought they were being run in gas lines? |
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 nunyaLXI 483
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO |
nunya
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2004-May-10 9:16 am
CheapBoy he got off cheap considering all the work involved with repairing a cut fiber. Not to mention any SLA's that will have to be paid out. I guess that's what homeowners insurance is for. Call before you dig. |
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 PrevailerFreeze a poopy.
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join:2001-10-03
Your Mom |
to SKYHN
Re: $45,000??If the guy was digging a garden, he probably wasn't going more than a foot, tops. Why are they buried so close to the surface. I would think they'd be down at least 3-5'. What good is your reputation if some guy can take out 10,000 users with a shovel? |
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google2
join:2004-02-04
South Beloit, IL |
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The lines should be better protected than that considering the price. |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA |
Huh?How deep do they bury these fiber cables? How deep was this guy digging for just a fence? Is the fiber not in a PVC(at least)protective case? |
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 Sweet WitchBe the flame, not the moth.
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join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey |
Even more than that!I believe the amount is actually £45,670, which would be around $80,000! |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
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Re: $45,000??It said he was installing a fence. That means he was digging holes for fence posts. Where I'm at, you have to dig a bit over 2 feet to get past the frost line. However, it's not typical for people to worry about fences lifting from the freeze/thaw cycle.
Depending on what he was doing, he could have been deeper than we think. However, I agree that if the fiber was at least 36" below grade, it would have been very odd for him to dig that deep. |
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 Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Germantown, OH |
Hall
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2004-May-10 9:24 am
Sure they are...quote:
A BT spokesman says the company is "anxious to have a chat with him to work out the best way to resolve this matter".
Sure they are .... now that it's a news story !! |
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Re: Even more than that!No, they got the amount right... The story reads: BT is looking to recoup more than £25,000 from a Cambridgeshire man after he severed a fibre optic cable while putting up a new fence in his garden.
David Brown, 40, told The Sun he was "shocked" when he received the bill for £25,780 ($45,670) at the end of last month. He has just 21 days to cough up. |
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Sweet WitchBe the flame, not the moth.
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join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey |
Ok, my mistake  . But it's still a hell of a bill. And why are the cables so eaily cut?? |
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dick white
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join:2000-03-24
Springfield, VA |
Did they have an easement?What was the fiber run doing in his yard? Or was he building a fence in an area that was not in his yard?
dw |
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 koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X SFP
Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-LITE
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Re: Huh?Re: Depth: Around 5 feet or so. Re: PVC: It's supposed to be, and commonly is here in the states. Dropping sheathed fibre into the raw soil is a really, REALLY bad idea. Whoever deployed that fibre in the UK needs to be fired. I have a very hard time believing BT needed to re-lay 2km of fibre because of one split. Re-splicing fibre cable, despite being "a real pain in the ass", is done quite regularly! They can usually do it in about 30-45 minutes tops, and the extention length isn't something outrageous like 2km. Someone needs to ask BT "WTF?" Semi-related (just as an educational note for folks): Usually when someone opens up the ground to deploy some more cables, all of the national and local carriers (i.e. MCI, Sprint, SBC, etc.) are also notified, so that they can drop cable (if they need to) while the ground is open. Saves everyone money, and is a generally good idea. It's funny how the carriers "play well together" behind the scenes...  |
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Jon_HansonMountain Dew Rules
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join:2001-07-09
Gilbert, AZ |
Not his responsibilityThe fiber optic line ran across his property, wasn't apparently marked in anyway (or at least he wasn't told that he had fiber optic lines running across his property), and he has to pay for breaking it? I wouldn't pay it. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL |
to rradina
Re: $45,000??To put this in the proper perspective, the article said the man was digging in his garden. Translated that means he was digging in his yard.
If there is something similar to an easement in effect, his options will be limited. |
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA Netgear CM1000
Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X SFP
Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-LITE
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to Sweet Witch
Re: Even more than that!They're not usually. Sheathed fibre like that is not supposed to be dropped that close to a residence (unless the bloke was doing something he shouldn't be), and it's not supposed to be placed directly in soil. It's supposed to be placed in a PVC or cement conduit. The conduits are for two reasons: 1) extra safety (case in point), and 2) make additional cable insertions, old cable removal, and general maintenance much easier. Edit: Actually, my bad -- it's easier to damage, not necessarily cut. I suppose copper is actually easier to cut, since copper is quite soft.Obligatory Howstuffworks links: How does a fiber optic cable work? | How Fiber Optics work |
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 Augustus IIIIf Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA |
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Re: $45,000??95% of people dig fences OUTSIDE their own property, trying to grab that extra foot. |
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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY |
Kiss My Gritsunmarked fiber running across someones yard. I would tell
British Telecom to kiss my butt. I don't know how is works
with Crown law, but here in the States not only would a lawyer get you out of paying this extortion, he is likely to make the Teleco pay for such stupidity. direct burying
fiber cable that is apparent so poorly armored, here is
a greeting from the left cheek of my butt, and a hello
from my right both saying put your lips here jerks. |
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 ff1324Everybody Goes Home
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join:2002-08-24
On Four Day |
ff1324
Premium Member
2004-May-10 9:59 am
Call B4 U Dig!!Isn't this the reason you should call for a utility locate before you dig deeper than 1 foot in your yard?? Especially if you're doing a fence, which I assume he wasn't putting up against his house but rather along the property lines.
One call could have saved him big bucks. |
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 stevek1949We're not in Kansas anymore
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join:2002-11-13
Virginia Beach, VA |
to Jon_Hanson
Re: Not his responsibilityDid he call to have it marked? If so, was the fiber within the markings? I just had a small 25 pair copper cable cut by a Ditch Witch which was marked. However, the marking was wrong by over 14 feet!
He may have been using an auger to dig a post hole and hit the fiber. I deal with this all of the time. People plant "gardens" in any open space without an obstruction weather it is theirs or not.
If the cable was 5 ft. down, the repair trench and working pit can be large (but not 2km). Also, how many strands were in the cable that had to be spliced? There are all kinds of variables that come into play that the story does address.
But a $45,000 bill of any kind is a shocker! |
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Re: $45,000??Is that covered under homeowners insurance, digging up fiber optic cable in your garden?  |
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said by Augustus III:
95% of people dig fences OUTSIDE their own property, trying to grab that extra foot.
Can you cite your reference(s) here? |
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merc669
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join:2000-08-19
Lexington Park, MD |
merc669
Premium Member
2004-May-10 10:25 am
Here In Southern MDWell here in Southern Maryland they really know how to do it. My phone cable thru my yard is about 8 to 10 inches deep (Measured when my dog found it). And my cable company ran their cable across the top of my yard and used a little topsoil and hoped the weeds would cover it up. I had to bury the cable myself. But I would have still called the utiliy company to check for buried cables just to keep everything legal. That way if there was an unknown cable I could not be held liable for.
ka101..... |
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 SLD
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join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA |
SLD
Premium Member
2004-May-10 10:26 am
EasementsIts weird - here in Boynton Beach, we have 8 ft. grass swales between the street and the sidewalk/property line, but our easements are in our property instead of in the swales. Adelphia just dug up my yard (and many others) to place new 'coax' while the grass on the other side of the sidewalk is untouched. I guess the HOA owns the swales - why they put the lines on our property instead of that zone is strange to me. |
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 xNPCAs Usual, Have Nice Day
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join:2000-11-08
Errington, BC |
xNPC to ff1324
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2004-May-10 10:29 am
to ff1324
Re: Call B4 U Dig!!thats why they have onecall. exactly FF took the words right out of my mouth. pay up sucker. |
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He'd better get GREAT internet service...If there's a fiber line IN HIS YARD his connection to the outside world better be screamin'!  Otherwise, my thoughts (echoed by some others here) are why was this fiber line not encased in some PVC or flexi-PVC pipe? What was it doing so close to the surface and unmarked? |
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look like a scapegoatCouldn't he sue BT back for installing cables on his property without his acknowledge and permission? Is there a law for that in England? I know it sounds highly unlikely but from reading it, I feel like BT is trying to rip off the man. Poor guy! |
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army5
join:2002-04-30
Oklahoma City, OK |
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Re: $45,000??I can tell you right now I try and use the same hole when possible for the post. I'll be damned if I am going to dig more than I need to for an extra foot.
Jeff |
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using Me
Premium Member
join:2002-01-25
Lithia, FL |
Follow up please!I hope someone follows up on this and keeps us posted. |
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TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Re: Call B4 U Dig!!Do they have something like this in England? One Question xdeadhead, how can you be a "x" deadhead I thought once you were, you will always be (does that sound like something Frank Zappa would say ) |
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RentIf its in his property its time to start backcharging the telco for rent! OK, fiber on my land for x years times $200 a month .... |
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. But it's still a hell of a bill. And why are the cables so eaily cut??
