Bare Bones DSL

Perfect for mom and dad, who might otherwise not even have internet access.

I think it's a great idea!

:)

Those type of caps aren't 100% unusual for Europe. From what I've read and been told over the years. But it is nice to see that users actually have a choice. Although many here could go through those caps in a matter of days.

except those mom and dad will need support for their 'blue E with circle' icon;) which this isp doesn't provide

Uh - when did ISPs start supporting browsers? All they give you are proxy settings (if required)... That's how it works in Singapore.

ask any isp tech support, specially "mom&pop" oriented ones like AOL, Juno, NetZero, Netscape isp, others.
they'll tell you how clueless some people are, and how they expect support from their isp to handle their lcd monitors :/

"budget" ISPs usually attract 2 type of people:
1) tech savvy people who don't need extra junk
2) clueless people who think they are getting the same for less.

2GB per month is more than sufficient even for the avid email checker & browser, as long as you're not doing video and huge file transfers all the time. My two computers at home are on 24x7. I work from home on VPN three times a week. My monthly usage just barely crosses 1.2GB... Sounds like a great deal - whats the upload/download speed?

Not bad if your not into downloading movies...in fact, with Bittorrent disappearing quicker ummm, errr, nevermind, anywho, this is great for people who only surf, download a couple songs, but still don't want to suffer from dial-up let down. I'm happy paying $34/month for unlimted. Did 50 GB up/down last month...so there.

That's insane.

The article summary is wrong, it is 1.39c per extra megabyte, per the register article.

1,390 euros a gig would be a bit much...

"No SMTP access?" Does that mean port 25 is blocked, hence no sending email? Or does it mean the service doesn't include an email address/server? I would hope it's the latter. Though barebones DSL users could still use webmail.

EDIT: Guess I should have read the article before posting: "But there is a catch: Congster is a stripped-down Internet access service, without an email address or SMTP access. Tech-savvy subscribers should run their own mail server, or stick to webmail services such as Hotmail. Additional services such as premium content and anti-virus software are also not available." Guess that means you can run your own mail server if you like. Hey, I'd go for it.

Also, additional bandwidth tiers at set prices would be beneficial for heavier users who would rack up a huge bill for exceeding the caps, that is, tiers above 8GB. Like 20GB, 40GB, etc.

Isnt that what the "T-DSL-Flatrate" plans are for?

2 dollars per megabyte if you go over the cap? So if you accidentaly say... leave bitorrent open overnight, you could end paying a thousand dollars in overages? are you fucking kidding me. I sure hope they automatically cut off your connection once you go over a certain point.

Then don't do that.

Its not like this ISP is playing games with caps and associated costs. You already know the caps and associated costs when you sign up.

Yeah, loan sharks let you know up front how they're going to charge you sky-high interest rates and break your legs when you don't pay, too. $2 a MB is highway robbery.

Geesh, all some people do is bitch bitch bitch.

First off, this service is for people who don't use the net that much at all: Mom and dad for email (using Hotmail or Yahoo or even GMail) and maybe a text chat program (AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, etc.)

No one is going to be using bit torrent, newsgroups, downloading from IRC or Linux distros with this service. This is NOT meant for them. It is meant for those who rarely use the service.

DSLREPORTS.com should be labelled:

DSLBLOODSUCKINGLEECHES.com

Because THERE IS NOTHING that satisfies everyone here.

Everyday I come here, read about a broadband offering, and here's how it goes:

Story: broadband for $xx/month

Comment: what a great deal!

Comment: it sucks, should give you more

Comment: it blocks this port, that port

Comment: upload is not fast enough for me

Comment: download is only 1mbps for me

Comment: i cant use bit torrent

Comment: i can't download files fast enough, they are capping me

blah blah blah...

SPOILED ROTTEN SCUMBAGS wanting to squeeze blood out of a penny!

Whoever has broadband SHOULD FEEL LUCKY!

If you want ADVANCED FEATURES, subscribe to COVAD and get a business connection! Or better yet, get a T1 or higher! Download 24/7, subscribe to their rate plans and QUIT BITCHING!

Residential internet is provided for FAST access when you get on and need to use it. That does NOT MEAN sucking down newsgroups, bit torrent, and other P2P crap!

It doesn't mean uncapping your cable modem because you own it! Its like saying, I'm going to buy a car, take off the exhaust headers and get most performance out of it, and screw everyone else cuz I own the car. Well... it affects a lot of people around you. BE COURTEOUS!

There are parts of the US you can't even get broadband or decent net access! FEEL LUCKY YOU HAVE IT!

Hell some parts of this world don't have working telephones! Or electricity!

Do any of you bitching folk have lives beyond Keyboard, Mouse and Screen?

GROW UP!

dood, lighten up. so you disagree with someone elses statements. welcome to real life. just fyi, there is nothing anywhere that satisfies everyone all the time (unless its a snickers bar and even then you have to wonder coz some people dont like nuts or caramel and then they have to eat a 3 musketeers and it just gives them an empty feeling....i could go on and on about nothing but your post beat me to it.) take a step back and chill out. it's a forum, a free excahnge of ideas, so you dont agree, that's your right but dont bitch about it. it wastes my time and everyone elses. sorry ot

edit: im sure youve replied by now but i make hard use of the ignore function, as i am sure some people ignore my posts due to disagreements with what i say and how i say it, i now ignore yours. again i sincerely apologize for the OT reply but i've been here long enuf to have opinions too.

All people do here is BITCH!

When was the last time you LEARNED something cool from this forum?

DSL reports is so getting filled up with flamewars and "give me all I can handle, and make it cheap" attitudes that I may just edit my HOSTS files to direct *.dslreports.com to something useful, like hellokitty.com or something!

Anyway you get the idea, less bitch and more discussion on USEFUL topics! Just lose the attiude of "oh, look a cheap service, but it doesn't support my P2P addiction."

Case in point, your posts.

I'm not bitching about the fact that it is capped, or that 2 GB isn't enough, or that €3.99 is too much for 2 GB/month.

I myself am saying that the cost per MB overage rate it insane. Downloading a Linux ISO could cost you over €1000 if you are over the cap. That is unreasonably high and not justified by the actual cost that the provider would incur. In other words, IMO it's cheap DSL where they up-front let you know they're going to bend you over and rape you if you use it more than 2 GB/month, and also IMO they PLAN ON PEOPLE GOING OVER so they can make lots of money.

For crying out loud, they sell you the service for €2 per GB, and then charge half that PER MEGABYTE when you are over. Does that sound FAIR to you?

Do you know what sprint or any other major cell phone provider charges you for going over your minutes?

This service clearly is for people to go to web mail site, do some emails, casual surfing (not video downloading, etc.) and thats it.

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. Sprint charges $.40 a minute for over your allotted minutes, so if I take the $30 I pay for 300 minutes, that's about $.10 a minute; So they charge 4x as much for going over.

But we're not talking about DSL service that charges 4x as much for going over, we're talking a DSL service that charges €1 per 512 MB for the first 2 GB, and then just over 700 TIMES AS MUCH for each MB thereafter, i.e. .72 MB per €1 vs. 512 MB per €1.

I realize this plan is for light users. That's fine. That still doesn't make the 700x rate hike for going over the limit any less ridiculous.

You guys know you're arguing over a typo, right?

Um I think some of us were arguing over another users comments about users here always complaining. But then again maybe I need glasses or something.

nah, youve got 20/20.

You are my new hero...

Wow feel better now? I thought I needed a session in relaxation. Remember as we all should - stress can kill you. You need to vent more to make sure that nasty stuff doesn't stay built up in you.:D

"When was the last time you LEARNED something cool from this forum?"

Pretty much daily. And yes even in the news category.

Hey Beavis - like complaining is like cool or something. hehehehehe.

Oh and your doing what at this time?

"All people do here is BITCH!"

Exactly that!! What have I learned new and useful from your post today?:)

By the way this stupid site hellokitty.com - won't let you use your back button. Only frigin crap sites enable that junk!! Oh no I'm complaining!! Flog me master flog me!!:D

DSLREPORTS.com should be labelled:

DSLBLOODSUCKINGLEECHES.com

Because THERE IS NOTHING that satisfies everyone here.

Everyday I come here, read about a broadband offering, and here's how it goes:

Story: broadband for $xx/month

Comment: what a great deal!

Comment: it sucks, should give you more

Comment: it blocks this port, that port

Comment: upload is not fast enough for me

Comment: download is only 1mbps for me

Comment: i cant use bit torrent

Comment: i can't download files fast enough, they are capping me

blah blah blah...

SPOILED ROTTEN SCUMBAGS wanting to squeeze blood out of a penny!

Whoever has broadband SHOULD FEEL LUCKY!

If you want ADVANCED FEATURES, subscribe to COVAD and get a business connection! Or better yet, get a T1 or higher! Download 24/7, subscribe to their rate plans and QUIT BITCHING!

Residential internet is provided for FAST access when you get on and need to use it. That does NOT MEAN sucking down newsgroups, bit torrent, and other P2P crap!

It doesn't mean uncapping your cable modem because you own it! Its like saying, I'm going to buy a car, take off the exhaust headers and get most performance out of it, and screw everyone else cuz I own the car. Well... it affects a lot of people around you. BE COURTEOUS!

There are parts of the US you can't even get broadband or decent net access! FEEL LUCKY YOU HAVE IT!

Hell some parts of this world don't have working telephones! Or electricity!

Do any of you bitching folk have lives beyond Keyboard, Mouse and Screen?

GROW UP!

Who the hell put you in charge of defining what the services are, and are not, to be used for? I don't remember reading "light downloads" anywhere when I signed up for my broadband.

Stop trying to state your lousy opinion as fact.

Yeah my Mom in WI could use this type of service. The ONLY isp's she can get are the local telco for $20/mo dial-up or Charter for $30/month for 256meg cable(on second thought I'm not sure charter has cable modems at her new addy). The $10 isp's the rest of us in the metro areas have are not available there.

That's GOT to be a typo; surely it must be per gigabyte.

I doubt any users with that plan would be running BT anyhow. This would be PERFECT to get folks off up dialup!

It is a typo; 1.39c a megabyte. Check the register article.

look at these plans, they arent ment for downloaders or gamers. the target market is those who want broadband for surfing the net and checking email(hotmail of course lol since no smtp) without the long waits of dialup. its definatly something that should be done here in the US so that people with lower incomes can get off of dialup.

..to pay for bandwidth. So the bandwidth cap is not a big surpise, thats the norm no matter what servive you get.

I love the idea, it would go over good here. (minus the caps on bandwidth). You can use email from other places on the web, so thats not a big deal. I don't think i've heard of people actully using "portals" or the "free" downloads of antivirus/security software lots of ISP offer. You know ISP are getting dumb when they want to offer internet caching programs with a ISP. lol

Once the company catches their bait (a customer), the customer will want more and more and will upgrade their line to faster speeds.

It's a perfect solution for people who need a stable connection but don't want to pay the $40-$50/mo.

This would be a great service for those that can't afford DSL or Cable in the states. Just as long as they state what caps they have.

All is fine, buy what are the speeds?

no frills = no caps or associated costs, no frills to me is a wide open line max speed and content. this is crap. no streaming music or online games could be used with this.

Why not? Sometimes you just want the cheeseburger (or perhaps the bratwurst ) without the extra large fries and drink.

Same with DSL. If there was broadband being offered at those prices stateside, dialup would be a moot point. Cheapest dialup (apart from the free services) is on average $7-$8 a month right? Cheap solution for someone who isn't a power user.

It's probably been mentioned before, but it was around 14 euros per GB in overages, not 1,400 per GB.

What about gaming? Don't you constantly upload and download while playing games online like UT2004?

Yeah, but I'd imagine that if you were willing to lay down say, $500 on the latest Radeon card to run UT2004 or HL2 or Splinter Cell, you'd probably pay a little more for broadband that fits your gaming needs.

Then again, with some of the pricey gaming rigs I've seen my pals build, they could use $5 a month braodband.

most games use like 6kb/s up/down

What I would love a nofrills highspeed line

-full speed with 0 caps
-ZERO technical support (yes zero, a recording wether or not their service is up will do just fine)
-no newsgroups
-no email
-no webspace

Thats right, just a pipe to the intarweb. Would be great if without the things that I mentionned above they could shave off, say $10 bucks a month. That would rock.

I'd totally spring for something like this. I have never used any ISP's tech support or email services. I don't need any dumbed-down portals either (I can find my own content, thank you very much).

Just give me a bare-bones, unbundled 512/512 for $15/mo and I'd be in heaven.

-Mike

512/512 for $15/mo != heaven

Gigabit for free == heaven

wouldnt mind either especially if they allowed hosting id just host my own email, would do it now but its not allowed

I would not want to lose my Suselive dvd and have to redownload it.

Or d/l a new fc release....

I am not sure at whom this slender arrow is aimed, but it seems to be rather like a networking Trabant - a connexion for people who do not use it.

DDR lives!

Best,
M