 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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hummmSo does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTIn my opinion the music, video, and content publishers NEED to acknowledge piracy. People are unfortunately going to continue to steal content as long as it is easy to do. I personally think that if the content distributors lowered their prices they would make more money (and lose less) than they are now. The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Millions of people world wide have decided that stealing is wrong, and I guarantee you that if Apple, MS, etc. even reduced the cost of their songs to 50 cents (vs. 99 cents or more) they would more than double the number of songs sold and therefore eat into piracy. |
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reluctant pirate
Anon
2006-Oct-10 11:57 am
Talk talkTalk Talk! DO something that isnt DRM crippled instead. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Re: hummmsaid by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. |
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Networks Are DeadI haven't watched US broadcast television (Cable or OTA) in years. 44 minutes of "content" broken up by 16 minutes of ads and promos are a recipe for unwatchable TV.
DVDs and downloaded ad-free programming from other countries are far more interesting and easily fill up the limited time I allocate to TV. |
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bigjimc
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bigjimc
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2006-Oct-10 12:10 pm
Watching NBCI have been watching shows on NBC.COM and what I like is that last week the Studio 60 episode streaming was brought by a car manufacturer. The spots were 15 to 30 seconds and that was it. I watched a on hour show in 45 minutes. It was great.
NBC got me to watch. The car manufacturer paid for the six ads between segments and I could pause and fast forward etc... I didn't mind it. |
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88615298 (banned)
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Re: I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTsaid by wifi4milez:In my opinion the music, video, and content publishers NEED to acknowledge piracy. People are unfortunately going to continue to steal content as long as it is easy to do. I personally think that if the content distributors lowered their prices they would make more money (and lose less) than they are now. The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Well if Russia wants to join the WTO it is going to have to shut down allofmp3. They are still pirates no matter how you look at it. Yes the 99¢ one size fits all models is stupid. Older songs should be priced less. New songs could be priced more. Hell back in the ealy 80's I'd paid more than 99¢ for a song on a 45 record. By the way wal-mart sells songs for 88¢ and If you subscribe to Yahoo Music Unlimited you can buy songs for 79¢. You know 79¢ is not that bad of a deal. The problem is the artist and songwritters aren't going to want to accept LESS money per song. Even though they'll be more likely to sell more songs. |
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Re: hummmsaid by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Umm no. The pirate distributes it. |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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said by kamm:said by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Umm no. The pirate distributes it. That's what I thought too. EDIT: come to think of it, a pirate is one that takes from other people. However, i think the term pirate might have a different def. in this case. I dont know. |
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thxultra to bigjimc
Anon
2006-Oct-10 12:25 pm
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Re: Watching NBCCouldn't agree with you more. I watched a show the other night I missed on fox on demand and it was great. I still perfer over the air tv to this but it is a great deal if you miss a show. I don't mind the advertisements at all and I was able to see what I missed  |
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kamm
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Re: I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTsaid by wifi4milez:In my opinion the music, video, and content publishers NEED to acknowledge piracy. People are unfortunately going to continue to steal content as long as it is easy to do. I personally think that if the content distributors lowered their prices they would make more money (and lose less) than they are now. The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Millions of people world wide have decided that stealing is wrong, and I guarantee you that if Apple, MS, etc. even reduced the cost of their songs to 50 cents (vs. 99 cents or more) they would more than double the number of songs sold and therefore eat into piracy. I agree. allofmp3.com makes sense and has an EXCELLENT site and store model. We have yet to see any similar implementation here - but of course, Recording Industry Ass of America and Motion Picture Ass of America don't want to see anything that makes sense. |
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said by 88615298:said by wifi4milez:In my opinion the music, video, and content publishers NEED to acknowledge piracy. People are unfortunately going to continue to steal content as long as it is easy to do. I personally think that if the content distributors lowered their prices they would make more money (and lose less) than they are now. The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Well if Russia wants to join the WTO it is going to have to shut down allofmp3. This is the classic arrogant shit Bush promotes - I don't want top see my tax to be spent on defending fuckin private industrial lobby organisations' interests.Joining WTO has nothing to do with fuckin Recording Industry Ass of America and Motion Picture Ass of America, period. They are still pirates no matter how you look at it.
No, they are not. No matter how you look it at it, THEY ARE LEGAL. Yes the 99¢ one size fits all models is stupid. Older songs should be priced less. New songs could be priced more. Hell back in the ealy 80's I'd paid more than 99¢ for a song on a 45 record. By the way wal-mart sells songs for 88¢ and If you subscribe to Yahoo Music Unlimited you can buy songs for 79¢. You know 79¢ is not that bad of a deal.
For you, perhaps but I want to have a CHOICE.And Allofmp3.com gives me the choice of paying more for a FLAC or 320k mp3 compressed file. The problem is the artist and songwritters aren't going to want to accept LESS money per song. Even though they'll be more likely to sell more songs.
What an utter BS!  It's the stuidos and Recording Industry Ass of America and Motion Picture Ass of America, NOT THE ARTISTS, NOT THE SONGWRITERS BUT THE STUDIOS WHO WANTS TO KEEP THEIR RIDICULOUSLY HIGH PERCENTAGE! Most of the income goes to them, not for the artists. |
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 SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.
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Snakeoil
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2006-Oct-10 12:31 pm
ABC/NBC and other networks.I like the idea of being able to download the tv shows from the networks homepage. Then I can watch them when I want to.
I don't mind the ads, as long as I can nab the TV shows I want at no cost.
Or charge a reasonable rate for ad free extended shows, that have extra content, or uncensored content.
I would support the networks on something like that. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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Re: hummmthe person making and distrobuting the copy is the pirate. so the person you DL from is the pirate. which is why the RIAA/MPAA go after these people, not to mention its alot harder to chase a downloader as most p2p aps dont keep IP logs. |
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 Noah VailOh God please no.
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You talk as if....artists and songwriters are fairly compensated now. For the most part, they aren't.
A few, anointed and branded by the machine make millions. However, the vast majority don't approach anything like a living wage on their works, while the labels rake in huge wealth from their works.
The largest criminal music empire RARELY gets press for their crimes, the RIAA.
They have been fined for collusion, payola and price fixing on a continuous basis for decades. There is no competition on the price of CDs. What they do to keep the price of CD's artificially high, YOU would go to jail for.
Based on the price of getting a CD to market, it's estimated that 70%+ of the revenue generated on CD sales (kept artificially high by price fixing), the RIAA was never entitled to.
THAT is called STEALING.
You want to go after pirates? Fine. But it's hypocrisy to not put greater focus on putting RIAA executives in jail for their more severe crimes.
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Re: I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTEr... what does the President have to do with either the RIAA, MPAA, or the WTO? Oh, I'm sorry-- you were just trying to shoehorn your worthless political agenda into an intelligent discussion. |
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 Kxpuc
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to just "repeat" on the last part of what you say. Yes money CD/Song sells mostly goes to the record companies and the Artist makes most of their money on tour. Which is why the smart artist have started their own record company b/c it allows them to get a bigger price of the CD/song sale |
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 FFH5
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Re: hummmsaid by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? It makes you a thief(aka copyright infringer). |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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Does lending your friend a copy of StarWars that you bought or rented make you a pirate? |
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FFH5
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Re: I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTsaid by wifi4milez: The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Only one problem with that. Allofmp3 site doesn't reimburse the artists and content owners. They are a pirate company as well. Why do you think the US has refused to let Russia into the WTO until they deal with companies like allofmp3. |
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Re: hummmNo comment except BBR seems to advocate piracy and felonious actions to "stick it to the man."  I rarely see BBR reporting on court decisions shutting down crooks (even when I email them). Why does DRM exist in the first place? Illegal downloads. People these days thinks downloading something is a God-given right not something illegal. For every iTunes download, there is probably 200 illegal ones. AllofMP3.com is nothing more than an illegal site operating under some antiquated Russian law that Putin will crack down on when the time is right. Bittorrent traffic is 90% illegal. Give me a break with all this crap. If you saw keys in a car, would you drive off thinking, "Hey, they left the keys in the car. It's mine now." Pay like your parents did. |
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kamm
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said by Kearnstd:the person making and distrobuting the copy is the pirate. Right. so the person you DL from is the pirate.
Right - you don't make it nor distribute it. which is why the RIAA/MPAA go after these people, not to mention its alot harder to chase a downloader as most p2p aps dont keep IP logs.
Umm but they do go after the downloader.   |
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robanon61
Anon
2006-Oct-10 12:45 pm
On Demand is the futureOn Demand viewing is the future. People don't want to plan their lives around some programmer's idea of when to broadcast a show or movie. |
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kamm
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2006-Oct-10 12:46 pm
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Re: I will NEVER advocate stealing BUTsaid by FFH5:said by wifi4milez: The Russian site allofmp3.com is a perfect example. They have shown that most reputable people really dont mind paying for their content as long as it is priced right. Only one problem with that. Allofmp3 site doesn't reimburse the artists and content owners. They are a pirate company as well. Why do you think the US has refused to let Russia into the WTO until they deal with companies like allofmp3. It's simply ... AoMP3 PAYS to the relevant Russian organisation. Period. |
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FFH5
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said by 88615298:The problem is the artist and song writters aren't going to want to accept LESS money per song. Even though they'll be more likely to sell more songs. The other problem is that many on the internet won't pay 1 nickel for a song as long as they can steal it for free. Lowering prices may get some people to switch to legal music, but not nearly enough to recover the revenue lost by significantly reduced prices. You see the posts here. The music thieves won't be happy unless the music is free. |
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JonR800
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JonR800
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2006-Oct-10 12:47 pm
Bingo BangoSomeone gets it! It's always sad when stealing is easier than paying for a legit copy...
Just this weekend I was trying to get a CD to download off of Rhapsody. The order didn't go through the first time, and the service told me to try again. So I try again, same message... try again.. same message. Look at my account and see I've been billed 4 times. Took an hour on the phone to half way sort it out. In the end they just refunded my money, no CD.
So.. the question I had to ask myself was.. would it take me less than 1 hour 30 minutes to steal it?
Not only that, but piracy offers a better product! DRM FREE! |
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Re: Networks Are DeadSo, illegal downloads are okay since you are time-pressed? LOL! |
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Re: hummmsaid by FFH5:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? It makes you a thief(aka copyright infringer). I guess that would depend on which country you live in; jerk. |
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Re: Bingo BangoAnd higher bit rates! =P |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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Re: hummmsaid by hopeflicker:Does lending your friend a copy of StarWars that you bought or rented make you a pirate? Still waiting for an answer. Anyone? |
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