thender2Glamour Profession Premium Member join:2004-05-16 Staten Island, NY |
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Re: Such a waste of time and resources.said by PDXPLT:The labels and major studios are against it, but do as much as they can to make people want to boycott their product, and offer no legal alternative. iTunes, MSN Music, Napster, etc.; they offer plenty of legal alternatives.
Is it surprising that people want better than 128k WMA/AAC with DRM when they pay as much as the original CD costs for it. Again, I find it silly that they waste time on this. I also find it funny that when 90% of DSLR has no rebuttal, they use that homosexual eyeroll icon Rob seems to love. |
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Pirate515 Premium Member join:2001-01-22 Brooklyn, NY |
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Re: zzzsaid by sirsloop:leave the pirates alone... put more cops on the streets to make more money for the politicians quadruple pension out of parking tickets and speeding tickets.  Gotta love Bloomy for sh*t like that. On the other hand, I just love harassing the cop who's trying to catch people rolling through the stop sign near where I live by stopping in front of it, counting to 3, and then blasting "Eins, Zwei, Polizei!" as I start moving again. |
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owenhomekeeper of the magic blue smoke Premium Member join:2002-07-13 Bentonville, AR |
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Re: Be aware. Be WiseAnd you think THAT protects you!? LOLOLOLOLOL
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work. Premium Member join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL |
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said by dispatcher21:Karl is just a pissed off communist/defeatocrat that is whining because the repubs will keep both houses this November. Nice, name calling and pigeon holing. You do know everyone to the left of you can be conveniently and accurately pitted into negative stereo types. |
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dispatcher21911 Where is your emergency? join:2004-01-22 united state |
People to the left and right can be pitted into negative stereo types...whats your point? You can dwell on it and act like someone did something illegal to you or you can continue with the subject at hand. |
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work. Premium Member join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL |
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said by dispatcher21:People to the left and right can be pitted into negative stereo types...whats your point? That it's retarded and you're doing it. |
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N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano Premium Member join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs |
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Re: zzzsaid by Pirate515:said by sirsloop:leave the pirates alone... put more cops on the streets to make more money for the politicians quadruple pension out of parking tickets and speeding tickets.  Gotta love Bloomy for sh*t like that. On the other hand, I just love harassing the cop who's trying to catch people rolling through the stop sign near where I live by stopping in front of it, counting to 3, and then blasting "Eins, Zwei, Polizei!" as I start moving again. So, you're harassing the cop by stopping for the sign? Contrary to popular belief, some cops don't like writing tickets, and conduct traffic watches because they are told to do so. Maybe he's happy you stopped since he didn't have to write you a ticket, or even worse, scrape your mangled carcass off the blacktop when you or someone else ran it... |
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Re: Such a waste of time and resources.said by thender2:said by PDXPLT:The labels and major studios are against it, but do as much as they can to make people want to boycott their product, and offer no legal alternative. iTunes, MSN Music, Napster, etc.; they offer plenty of legal alternatives.
Again, I find it silly that they waste time on this. I also find it funny that when 90% of DSLR has no rebuttal, they use that homosexual eyeroll icon Rob seems to love. What's the point of rebuttling against someone who clearly doesn't understand what upholding the law is? Regardless of the nature of the crime. A crime is a crime. Your attempting to justify breaking the law because the products available to consumers isn't up to par with what they want. It warrants neither a reply nor any further consideration. Your lack of respect for the law is appalling. You think what they did is right. |
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Re: Be aware. Be WiseDo it on a 4 disk striped raid array. Then just break the array. Bet you can't get anything off of it.
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said by vpoko:said by snipper_cr:Also, if they government wanted the information, can't they force you to decrypt it and make it available? Probably not. You have a Fifth Amendment right not to make incriminating statements about yourself. It doesn't extend to giving physical evidence, and some judge could decide that an encryption key is physical evidence, but at that point someone could just "forget" the key. You might piss the judge off, but the punishment for contempt of court is a lot better than the punishment for violating the DMCA (and it would be pretty hard to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that you're lying about having forgotten the password). There is no limit in maximum length of jail sentence in US for contempt of court, they will keep you in jail until you give it up, unless you "forgot".  |
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Hidden Volume:
Quote: It may happen that you are forced by somebody to reveal the password to an encrypted volume. There are many situations where you cannot refuse to reveal the password (for example, when the adversary uses violence). Using a so-called hidden volume allows you to solve such situations in a diplomatic manner without revealing the password to your volume.
The principle is that a TrueCrypt volume is created within another TrueCrypt volume (within the free space on the volume). Even when the outer volume is mounted, it is impossible to prove whether there is a hidden volume within it or not, because free space on any TrueCrypt volume is always filled with random data when the volume is created* and no part of the (dismounted) hidden volume can be distinguished from random data. Note that TrueCrypt does not modify the file system (information about free space, etc.) within the outer volume in any way. |
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thender2Glamour Profession Premium Member join:2004-05-16 Staten Island, NY 1 edit |
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Re: Such a waste of time and resources.said by Rob:said by thender2:said by PDXPLT:The labels and major studios are against it, but do as much as they can to make people want to boycott their product, and offer no legal alternative. iTunes, MSN Music, Napster, etc.; they offer plenty of legal alternatives.
Again, I find it silly that they waste time on this. I also find it funny that when 90% of DSLR has no rebuttal, they use that homosexual eyeroll icon Rob seems to love. What's the point of rebuttling against someone who clearly doesn't understand what upholding the law is? Regardless of the nature of the crime. A crime is a crime. Your attempting to justify breaking the law because the products available to consumers isn't up to par with what they want. It warrants neither a reply nor any further consideration. Your lack of respect for the law is appalling. You think what they did is right. Just because labels are allowed to lobby new amendments(DMCA 2, for example) when the current laws don't fit their ideal definition if illegal doesn't mean they are much better than the people they call "criminals" themselves. Your blind following of laws that aim to eliminate what was considered fair use before the anti technology craze began in the early 80s also appalls me, but I don't point it out as if you're worse as a person for your beliefs. |
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i think that somebody in this thread just dosent like paying for stuff!
I wish everything was free, but if that was the case I would be out of a job, I work as a software developer/web application designer. So when you are downloading copys of software and/or music/movies from bit torrent or other sites, you are not paying for it. and even if MS and RIAA are some sort of satan spawn from the future that have come to ruin the internets as we know it; some of that money still makes its way to its creators.
And im not saying that Marc Walburg is poor because you downloaded The Departed to wack off to. but when millions of people download software and copywrighted material not only are you all breaking the law, but as a whole you hurt the industry you are stealing from. And this is espically true for the little guys in the software biz.
Stealing is wrong, and also illegal. You may call it "sharing" all you want, but the fact is that you got something for free that was not meant to be free. |
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said by thender2:Just because labels are allowed to lobby new amendments(DMCA 2, for example) when the current laws don't fit their ideal definition if illegal doesn't mean they are much better than the people they call "criminals" themselves. Your blind following of laws that aim to eliminate what was considered fair use before the anti technology craze began in the early 80s also appalls me, but I don't point it out as if you're worse as a person for your beliefs. Nobody is blind. I don't like the RIAA. I don't like their practices. I think they've been too comfortable over the years by ripping off consumers and now that consumers are taking a stance, they can't handle it. And lately, it isn't just the RIAA. It seems like many corporations can't handle the fact that consumers are tired of being taken advantaged of and want to look elsewhere for alternative solutions. The arguement I am making is... regardless of how bad the RIAA is ripping us off, breaking the law doesn't make you any better. You cannot justify breaking the law over something like stealing music. Now, if you were stealing food to feed your children, yes, I can understand, but music? Let's not allow our hatred for the RIAA misguide us and break the law. |
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TechyDad Premium Member join:2001-07-13 USA |
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Then do what I do. Buy the CD (used if possible) and rip it to your favorite format at your favorite bitrate without any added DRM.
And as a side note, how is the eyeroll icon "homosexual"? |
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said by Rob: Uhh you find it silly that it's illegal? I can't respond to that comment. I can. There is still much discussion on whether or not file trading is in fact copyright infringement. There have been no true victories in the courts regarding this (just lots of out of court settlements). Copyright law makes exception for non-commercial use and also have stipulation on how many times you can charge royalties for a single piece of media. As far as I can tell the door is far from shut regarding the illegality of file trading. |
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thender2Glamour Profession Premium Member join:2004-05-16 Staten Island, NY 2 edits |
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said by c0de8:i think that somebody in this thread just dosent like paying for stuff! I wish everything was free, but if that was the case I would be out of a job, I work as a software developer/web application designer. So when you are downloading copys of software and/or music/movies from bit torrent or other sites, you are not paying for it. and even if MS and RIAA are some sort of satan spawn from the future that have come to ruin the internets as we know it; some of that money still makes its way to its creators. And im not saying that Marc Walburg is poor because you downloaded The Departed to wack off to. but when millions of people download software and copywrighted material not only are you all breaking the law, but as a whole you hurt the industry you are stealing from. And this is espically true for the little guys in the software biz. Stealing is wrong, and also illegal. You may call it "sharing" all you want, but the fact is that you got something for free that was not meant to be free. I agree with some of your post, so I mean no disrespect, but I don't appreciate the accusation that I "hate paying" for copyrighted works. I have found many things through filesharing that I never would have before - I owned a single eminem CD that I received as a gift beforehand. I understand why you would think that, but I do buy music and sometimes software when what I want is not available on sourceforge/freshmeat(videoredo being the most recent example). usenet/bittorrent are such hassle free, efficient, and quick ways of obtaining the media you want. My introduction to music was through filesharing, and it is for many people because it's such an easy, quick way to get what you want. I became interested in the technology of music when I began looking into the tech side of the music I was downloading. Things like what makes a speaker linear in response, what makes a codec sound more transparent, what makes this recording sound one way and another that way. It is from that introduction that I decided I wanted to be an audio engineer and began going to school for it in the first place. The most notable effect filesharing had on me was random downloading from certain music groups. I found groups that I eventually went on to own the discography of. For example, in the above linked pic, that's mostly just alice in chains/dream theater, the rest is in the closet since I never have use for the original CD. Those are bands I never would have heard, knew existed, or bought, if I hadn't been introduced to them through usenet. There are so many TV shows I wouldn't watch(and as a result, not be included in ratings that allow networks to charge advertizers more), or know existed if I hadn't used the internet to obtain them. I find it a shame to see these sites go down - NOT because they're keeping me from getting my ZOMG FREE SHIT, but because by doing so the industry is robbing society of what I got out of filesharing. The hobbies, the entertainment, possibly the career, are all things I got out of it that others may not if new laws move in the same direction. |
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In the US, non-commercial copyright infringement is not a criminal act. You can be sued for civil liability, but not sent to jail (unless the MP/RIAA have bought new laws in the past two years).
The fact that Denmark is sending people to jail, just shows how deep the Danish are in the xxAA's pockets. |
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2006-Oct-27 4:31 pm
gotta love this countryWe can find those darn Internet MP3/Movie torrent people, but we cant find a guy who is 6ft 5 and has kidney failure, hooked up to dialysis.
god i love this countries priorities. |
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mythology Premium Member join:2002-10-16 Seneca, SC |
Thank GODAbout time some one locked up these harden criminals. Rapist, murderers, corrupt politicians and crack slinging thugs roam free but thank god we have these copyright infringing terrorist under control. How dare they listen to music and watch movies for free. DISGUSTING. |
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c0de8 join:2004-10-14 Richmond, VA |
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Re: Such a waste of time and resources.oh wow! I went ahead and followed the link of the Music you have purchased (maybe some software too), and i seriously think that the stack of CDRs beside your collection of 25 or so CDs is appauling. why on earth would you try to defend yourself by posting that picture. I mean if you are going to have claimed to have bought a CD in the last year you should have searched google for a few images of stacks of CD that are legitimate.
after that picture reading anything you say about how your are trying to work the system, and how you think the system is the one with the problem, just makes you look like a hippie. |
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2006-Oct-27 5:13 pm
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The reality ....For any company or industry that's been around for many years needs to adapt to changing markets. Its basic business 101. "You cannot change the market to suite the way you do business, but rather you must change your business to adapt to your changing market. Any CEO knows this and its sad that instead multimedia companies are trying to stop the market from evolving so they can avoid changing their business plans. In my opinion with the technology that's available today and has yet to be created, sharing content will always be possible, the MPAA and Motion Picture Association are fighting a loosing battle. But I must remember who is profiting from battle, lawyers, lawyers and then some more lawyers.
TV If you want to sell content, it better be commercial free and then people will buy it. If you have commercials it better be free.
Music Id artist cannot make money play live show then they better make CD with a whole lot of value adds, like picture video, behind the scenes footage, literature, whatever that can to get people to want to but the album. They need to have more then 1 good song on the CD as well.
Movies Well when its cost $20 or more to se a movie after snacks and refreshments its no wonder nobody wants to go to a movie. As for DVDs, the same as my opinion on CDs. Extra content (value add) and good movies will well DVDs.
Today the networks like NBS but the content and get money from ads.
The content (TV) creators can distribute their content via the internet, and people will pay for it with no commercials. The other option would be to have commercial but make it free. Basically cut out the middle man like NBC because with growing high speed connections, TV network are simple added useless costs that kill your show before it has a chance to gain an audience anyway.
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Re: zzzI got pulled over for speeding once. 120 mph on a 55 mph highway. The NY cop, kinda funny, called my dad. We waited for him, he laughed as Dad chewed me out, and Dad drove us home. It was after midnight so they were looking for me anyway. Dad, no longer around, was a stickler for rules about being home at midnight. The best part: I didn't get a ticket, Dad wasn't mad about the speeding, but he did make me drive the Caddy for a month instead of his Red Porsche. When cops brought me home, he always tipped them $20. I was 15-17 at the time. I was sent to Catholic school at 14 for missing my 10pm curfew about 20 days in a row. The only thing that did make my Dad real made was when I got caught smoking one of his Cuban cigars (at 13). Drinking his wine and other concoctions was no big deal. He even bought me cigarettes when I turned 16. Uhh, sorta. |
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Re: Thank GODI call piraters pioneers. Well maybe not that far, but sometimes you have to nudge the boundaries to get people's attention. If everyone was a law abidding citizen, ugly corporations like the MPAA and RIAA would continue as usual raping the consumer. These measures by pirates are not even drastic or really really sneaky... yet.
Change/adaptation is good, apparently the MPAA and RIAA are changing only their tatics and not their business plans. Evolution will sort everything out, whether status quo stays or someone loses |
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Re: Such a waste of time and resources.said by Rob:Right. Ok even if you do consider this a "crime". We are still wasting our money on something small, whenever we could use it for something better. There are much worse crimes out there going unpunished than downloading music. |
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said by c0de8:oh wow! I went ahead and followed the link of the Music you have purchased (maybe some software too), and i seriously think that the stack of CDRs beside your collection of 25 or so CDs is appauling. why on earth would you try to defend yourself by posting that picture. I mean if you are going to have claimed to have bought a CD in the last year you should have searched google for a few images of stacks of CD that are legitimate. after that picture reading anything you say about how your are trying to work the system, and how you think the system is the one with the problem, just makes you look like a hippie.  Among those I have dlink CDs, dfi driver CDs, rio mp3 player driver CDs, and all sorts of other crap I'd rather keep in one spindle so I can use the cases for things that actually matter. Zoom in on the original and you'll see. You'll find the orange case is AIC's facelift, the green one their self titled, among those you can identify easily if you own them. You've got to be STUPIDEST person I have ever met. Because it's in a CD-R spindle, it has to be illegal material? Because someone buys CD-Rs, they're a pirate? Wow, you hate technology more than the RIAA does - even they don't mind be having a CD-R spindle! What's even worse is you completely look over the point of, what I believed was a decent post, to make an ignorant snide "OH NOES PWNED" kind of comment in a situation where you weren't even correct. You're a pathetic troller, and a drain on DSLR. I disagree with Rob but respected his opinion because of his presentation, and willingness to discuss it. You have no arguement so you grab at strings which just reveal how empty your arguement and beliefs actually are. |
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2006-Oct-27 5:17 pm
Laws.This thread reminds me of a few laws on/recently removed from the books. I had a class that listed a bunch of them (a Socialist trying to prove our system was wrong, as if they would not pass laws just as stupid for their own agendas).
Living in Utah now, the one I like is that it was illegal to be a Mormon in Missouri. If you were, you were fair game to be killed. Yet there were many Mormons in Missouri even before the law was repealed. (Saw that one in the papers with the Governor apologizing for it.)
In Ohio (and I do not recall if it has been removed yet) it was required that you have a person carrying a lamp in front of your car if driving at night. How many people have done that in the past 50 years?
A place I lived in California passed a law that forced the Mexicans (both wet and legal) to close their taco carts. Unpopular, but pushed (and paid) for by a rather influential owner of a bunch of fast junk food stores under the guise of sanitation. The Mexicans had a better and cheaper product and rather than compete he got a law passed that banned them from the streets. That sucked like a F5 tornado.
Another place I lived put up a stop sign on a curve 'to save the children' (no kids crossed there). The real purpose was to make money, it was hard to stop for it even if you lived in the area and drove by it several times a day.
Yes, one should obey the law, but sometimes when the money and power is against you and a bad law is bought, you can either roll over and play dead or just ignore it. Maybe someday the powers that got it passed will get the wrong person in court and it will unravel.
Oh, on a side note, I have a cop friend who said that on any given day, he can pull anyone in after a few minutes of driving because most people violate some law accidentally or unknowingly fairly often every day. But that is not the intent of the laws, and most of those violations are ignored. This does not count the ones that have been modified because rich people paid to have the enforcement changed (back in the 90's Texas was ordered by the Feds to stop enforcing truck safety laws 100% and go to a every X number of vehicles, too many powerful toes had been stepped on.) |
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