Optimum On-line 50Mbps Cable Impressions

Oh man, it would be broadband utopia 50mbit symmetrical connection with no traffic caps.
I'd pay up to and including $120 for such service.

Cable sucks. end of story. It has and will forever suck. The only people who wants cable are the ones who aren't close enough to get fast DSL.

with peak demand on cable completely collapsing the system every day and their stupid and draconian bandwidth limits/caps, it's completely useless.

I wouldn't pay more than $19.95 a month, in Japan 100/100 is $9.95 a month... Why in the world would you even consider or state you would pay $120 a month?

because i would.
i don't live in japan. prices there have no affect on what's going on here.
good luck waiting for 50/50 for $20. when you get it, find my grave and tell me all about it.

Holy crapola. I am speechless. I am also veeeeeeeeerrrry jealous.

They can come to Minnesota any time now.

If anyone still believes that cable won't be able to compete against Verizon's Fios, I guess this should make them rethink that. »Cable: The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated

Yes, some users in the FIOS forum whining that their connection is not fast enough.
»Automatic Speed Upgrade?

mmmm no....see post below....FIOS can roll out symetric speeds of multi-hundred meg bps any time it feels the need to....

those of us on fios can see the jealousy still dripping from your keyboards...regardless of what plan we are on...

Can and Will are two different words my friend!

I see jealousy steaming from your post!

What speeds are you getting? Uh huh... Sure as hell isn't 50/50, is it?

Here is the question - Why not?

EDIT: Think about this:
Some of our friends in the Sacramento/Roseville, CA area have had 10/10 fiber for YEARS!
Some of them are getting 30/30 as we sit here discussing your FiOS!

A few people in Emeryville, CA have access to Gigabit fiber!
FiOS aint all that friend!

OOL is now starting to step on your toes and you can't handle it...
Don't hate!

Very true. I know people in certain parts of CO has 10/10 service years ago and it was not just locally contained as I was able to DL from them at top speeds and I'm in NY. As for this, FiOS is better than CV and vice versa, everyone smile please. This is just the next step in the one-up-manship that you can expect to see by both companies so that those of us lucky enough to be in the same markets as both, can only make out. Once CV rolls this out, FiOS will follow suit and Dadkins, you best believe that FiOS can and will do this without any upgrade needed on the user's end. Competition is a great thing so unless you guys work for VZ or CV, smile and shake hands as we are on the verge of another major upgrade to both systems.

I am aware that it will likely be an easy upgrade.

My question is why is/was/has it been so one sided from the beginning? I mean, if you are going to "Lead the Pack" why not do it all out?

Want to impress everyone, make all FiOS customers a minimum of 5/5! Also, make the other packages ?30/30?

Seeing as it can be(and is being) done, what's the holdup?

I really get tired of all the FiOS fans bragging, then when some other ISP's name is raised, we hear Verizon appologist/nay sayers.

Verizon is NOT the end all, be all that some would like us all to believe!

OOL with this, and other ISPs seem to be able to do it, why not Verizon?

Same reason that OOL first upgraded their offerings in FiOS areas - need. It's simple supply and demand. Right now, both services are offering some of the best tiers of broadband in the country (if not THE best.) They are both competing with each other for our business. As soon as OOL released their sym. 50/50 package, FiOS will either top it or offer the same for less. Now, does anyone here on this site, the power broadband users in the country, need 50/50? Hell no! Even so, we want it if it's offered. At this point, for either side, it's all about marketing who is the fastest. Bookmark this thread and let's revisit it once OOL actually releases this in certain areas, no doubt, and let's see then what FiOS is offering in the same areas.

Thank you!
Glad to see that someone gets it!
Problem is, the fanboys.
Read over this thread, you'll see what I'm talking about.

As soon as this was posted as a news item, the FiOS crew started frothing at the mouth!

See, that's dumb. The only FiOS customers that have anything to whine about should be the one's not in OOL areas. For the FiOS fanboys, if I have not already made this clear, cheer on OOL with any increase in service and know that FiOS will follow. For the CV fanboys, FiOS can compete and this is good for you too. The 50/50 would likely be many more years away if FiOS was not being rolled out in the CV areas. Regardless if you use CV or VZ, you are now the envy of all the rest of the country who dreams of the 10/1 package about to hit their area.

This selective competition is certainly the case with FiOS. In the vast majority of FiOS markets, they don't get the sweet deal brought on by competition from Cablevision. 5/2 and 15/2 is the norm under $50 deal with 30Mb available for about $180/mo. Where they face competition from CV, higher speed FiOS plans are more in line with typically residential HSI pricing.

And while on that subject, CV isn't the only ones responding to FiOS and vice-versa. TimeWarner in Huntington Beach is engaging in selective competition offering 15Mb speeds in the face of FiOS. In other non-FiOS SoCal markets I see their "extreme" service is 8Mb. »/archi ··· zip=9264

Very true.

FiOS has a huge advantage over other technologies based on it's small amount of homes per fiber.

B-PON is 622Mbps Down/155Mbps up for 32 homes.
G-PON(now being deployed in certain areas) 2500Mbps/622Mbps for 64 homes.

I love competition as I just keep getting more for basically the same or less cost.

It's easy to claim supply of such fast service when you have a long history BW throttling anyone who actually uses the service. Whether it's CV, Comcast or Cox, they speak big but deliver little when people actually start using their "BMW" services. Verizon on the other hand has no such history of throttling or caps that I've seen.

Wow! That is an awesome connection.

Ill take a hold of it and would pay almost any price they quoted me for that kinda speed. Sad that nothing like that near my house, Its always big cities where the money is

I live in country (POP650)and 4.9mbs is all I'm gonna get for along time to come....PS: I'm lucky to get that !!! I did talk to one company.....$600.00 a month for fiber...FORGET THAT ! Mikey5865

Same here. I remember a couple of years ago paying $110/month for a IDSL@ 128Kbps/128Kbps connection. I was happy doing so as dial-up was my only other option at the time and I wasn't having any of that. Sure would be nice if Time Warner cable would think about doing something similar.

Just give me 10M symmetric and i will be happy. Very fast DNS and i will be even more happy.

That's what I'm talking about!

10/10 would do me fine!

comcast and all other cable ISP's surely can as well!

Good luck getting Comcast to do anything like this, they are still rolling the 16/1 (and only to a VERY select few area w/ FiOS). It will be at LEAST 6 months before I see any speed upgrade from Comcast

This argument/complaint that comcast is only rolling out to the Fios ares is really old and tired.

If you knew anything about business, this is how it works no matter which foot the shoe is on... or do you not know that?

If someone competes on your territory, do you turn away and roll out in other areas first just so people like you won't accuse them of launching in comp areas only?

Let's examine the history of HSI in this country. Which industry was the leader in deployment of HSI? Cable. Which industry put out the faster speeds first? cable.. Has cable, so far, launched repeated speed upgrades? Yes. How long do they usually take? A year to about a year and a half.

With this, comcast has just started pushing out a very fast tier, the 16/1. It's going to take time to roll that out across the nation. They're already pushing way up into speeds they've never gone before so maybe this one will be a cautious upgrade.. Think about that. And finally, I bring you back to my original question, if you were in business, would you upgrade where competition is coming? or turn to another area JUST to make people like you who enjoy spatting off that "comcast is only upgrading in competition areas"... If I was a gambling man, and I am, I'd put my money (in business) where the greatest threat is.

You guys are buying WAY too much into advertising propaganda vs what reality is.

And 6 months? Heaven forbid! Let's see you upgrade one of the nations largest last mile network in under 6 months, and get it right the first time to keep your customers happy.

It's easy to sit back and criticize when it's not your money, isn't it?

Interesting that a search on yahoo shows sponsored link promoting Ultra service..

It's just a link to the Cablevision website where there's no mention of Ultra anywhere.

correct, and yet they are advertising this specific product..

»www.cablevision.com/inde ··· 05_11_07

quote:

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Optimum Online Ultra
The third and fastest service included in Cablevision's suite of data products is Optimum Online Ultra, which offers customers a dedicated 50 Mbps symmetrical downstream and upstream data service.

First offered through a targeted deployment last spring, Optimum Online Ultra delivers this extremely high rate of speed over Cablevision's existing network facilities, leveraging the spectrum above that which is traditionally used to provide video, voice and data services to create new, QoS-managed bandwidth.

Optimum Online Ultra is available across Cablevision's entire service area immediately and is the fastest residential service ubiquitously deployed in the nation.

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notice date on that PR...it's over a year old.
some Marketing guy got confused in dates

but knowing CV's speed of 15/2 and Boost rollout, don't expect Ultra until 2008

will be offering the same thing.

»www.lightreading.com/doc ··· r=&site=

I was just upped to 16/1 service with comcast, now all of the sudden that doesn't seem so fast. 16 down is enough for me but I'd kill for some of that upload.

must be nice im stuck at 5/384

LMAO! Sure makes FiOS look like crap, huh?

It still makes no freakin sense why Verizon isn't pushing symmetrical speeds over their FiOS...

Optimunowned!

They still need to deploy the Narad technology to make it work. I look forward to it maybe I'd even switch back from fios. Somehow I can still imagine 5-10Mb during the day when eveeryone is on and 50 in the middle of the night. Yes this is support your getting 5mb well thats within spec to us.

If the technology is there, why aren't all cable providers gearing up for this? Why wait until Telco FIOS forces their hand? Why not just bury them before the Telcos get a foothold? The best defense can be a great offense.

What kind of Internet backbone connection is required to support 50Mbps P2P? What about 50Mbps P2P within the network?

Will the Ethernet over cable technology have MPLS-like features and be able to short-circuit traffic on the same node so that it doesn't have to go back to the NOC?

Most cable providers want to deploy Docsis 3.0 with Channel Bonding. DOCSIS 3.0 is a standard and will let them use CMTS and Modems from various manufacturers. Spending money on proprietary Narad switches, modems and endpoints may not be a wise decision. They will be locked into Narad as a vendor for all the data modems, and Narad being the only vendor, can set prices as high as they want without competition from others.

DOCSIS will work on the same HFC infrastructure that's in place today. While I don't want to diss Narad, their technology is great as we can see, but this type of thinking on the dollar is what most major Cable co's are doing.

This will mostly be used for people who want the bandwidth.

Basically for cablevision to use it so people stop defecting to fios.

This is most likely a stop gap measure till docsis 3.0 is ready.

If I am not mistaken this technology is switched unlike the docsis technology.

This technology also has the ability to be expanded to fiber to the curb and fiber to the premises.

I always thought cablevision picking this technology up was interesting.

I am curious though how this will compete with cablevisions lightpath service.

Unless this will only be offered to redidential businesses and homes. Since regular bsuinesses can get fttp from lightpath (wich you can get 50/50 and 1 gig connections from them).

"Cablevision did not want to run it over existing infrastructure as they were not sure of it's negative effects on the existing system,"

..makes me wonder, if it didn't (interfere), then what's to stop other providers from checking this out? ...I hear all of you that DOCSIS 3 will be coming, and that's what most are waiting for, but this looks VERY interesting...

Heck, I just want that latency! Gaming would be a whole new world, let alone the possibility of real video conferencing with some quality!

Now that the trial has hit the news. We know that VZ will be all over this and start there own trial of symmetrical sevice. Makes me wonder that maybe we will get that symmetrical speed after all but in a few years at least.

If Cablevision really wants to duke it out with Verizon's Fios, speed alone won't help. Cablevision has to add some sort of value to their Optimum Online service. With Verizon having no download and upload caps of any sort, it's hard to see why anyone would choose OOL. The invisible caps that OOL has does not help it at all. Also, the price of OOL right now cannot compete with Fios. How can you justify paying a higher price for a service that caps you to one that doesn't cost as much and has no caps? You just can't unless OOL is your only option.

If I'm anything like the typical consumer, I'm looking for the best back for my buck. Fios is my choice if I could get it right now.

So does this mean my 3/256 cable for $52/month is a getting kind of outdated? Oh wait, I can go to 10/1 for only $80.

I have the reliability of a T-1 so I can't complain. But come on, Charter, get out of the bloody stone age.

OOL is available about 2 miles from here. Darn. 50/50 is pure craziness.

What ever happened to a 50/50 Verizon residential tier?
PPPOE/ONT upgrades? Vaporware? 50/10 at an out-of-sight high price? Elimination of the 30mbit tier for new customers?

Not to mention FULL DEPLOYMENT OF LONG ISLAND, NY!
(Don't think I didn't forget, neither did OOL customers!)

Lining corporation pockets every-day..

We had an naradtech (could be cablevision) chime in in the topic. They stated the service would be $199 a month for 50/50 and later in 2007 a 100/100 package would be offered.

Take that as a rumour for now.

If that does happen a 50/50 connection for under $1000 dollars I think people would be jumping all over that.