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Um YeahSo essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. | |
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Re: Um YeahNot for nothing I think you are taking his comment personal and there is no need for it. He is comparing this to "The Great Firewall of China" where the government blocks any site they do not strictly approve. Think white lists on a country wide scale. Here is the link for you to sample the goods that they offer through the firewall. » www.greatfirewallofchina.org/Stop thinking every one is against china and grow up some , learn to try and comprehend posts before you attack. | |
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said by jrsmooth:said by SilverSurfer1:said by jrsmooth:[...] you are just another ignorant China-hater who can't contribute anything anyway... Did you come up with that one all by yourself, sweetie? I think it's time for you to go to bed now. It's way past your bedtime and the adults need to talk. Two most ******* posts from the same ***** in a row within the same thread, amazing! **** ***! And your post is any better?  | |
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Jrsmooth, you are taking this personally, I wonder why. It does have to do with the government blocking certain content it does not see fit for the public. Thats it! And it does remind ME of the suppressive ways of the Chinese government. Its no secret that China is the most internet censored country in the world. | |
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Re: Um Yeahsaid by JamesPC:Its no secret that China is the most internet censored country in the world. Soon to be #2 behind the USA...? | |
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said by jrsmooth:said by SilverSurfer1:So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com The fact that they are trying to censor the entire world for the most part is what anything has to do with this. | |
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said by jrsmooth:said by SilverSurfer1:So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com It has to do with those dumb f*cks that are elected to "serve" us, the American people, in that city full of shitheads that you reside in. -Tzale | |
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Re: Um Yeahsaid by Tzale:said by jrsmooth:said by SilverSurfer1:So essentially, these buffoons want to lock down the Internet, censoring/blocking everything that they specifically do not approve of. We've seen this in action already. It's called China. This is the most ignorant post I have seen this week. What has China to do with this? This thread has something to do with anti-piracy, and if you look hard enough, you can possible find any piece of copyrighted material through Baidu.com It has to do with those dumb f*cks that are elected to "serve" us, the American people, in that city full of shitheads that you reside in. -Tzale Proud Conservative huh? Supports Ron Who? Sorry man, still the third most ignorant post I have read this week, but at least yours has something to do with policy making though. Whatever you say or think my friend, life is good in Washington DC, even though there are still people making 6-figure still living paycheck to paycheck. By the way, best wishes with Ron Who. | |
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Re: Um Yeahsaid by jrsmooth:Proud Conservative huh? Supports Ron Who? Sorry man, still the third most ignorant post I have read this week, but at least yours has something to do with policy making though. Whatever you say or think my friend, life is good in Washington DC, even though there are still people making 6-figure still living paycheck to paycheck. By the way, best wishes with Ron Who. Here is the difference. Scumbags write off people with new ideas. Revolutionaries can cut through the political bullshit and make change for the better. Have fun drinking your Kool Aid. If you believe that the U.S. should have laws outlawing these types of sites, you SERIOUSLY lack an understanding of the U.S. Constitution... And quite frankly, it is scary even having you anywhere near D.C. Don't tell me about how expensive it is to live in D.C... If you make $100-150k in parts of New Jersey, you're just "middle class," IMHO... In other parts of this country, you'd be rich. And you really don't phase me with your Ron Who joke... Like I give a shit, I hear it all day. Ron Paul is still the #1 candidate among U.S. military officers and the record holder for donations in the Republican party. He won't win the White House, but our voice is being heard. -Tzale | |
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The so-called "war on druge" went similarly. It began as a combination of concern about health effects of unregulated opiates, moralism, hysteria, and protecting existing industries from competition with hemp. The prohibition then failed to make much difference in drug use, but produced such a pernicious set of side effects that it became entrenched.
So many important actors have profited so much that the "drug war" is now self-perpetuating and no longer has much connection with the phony excuses about health effects or protecting children:
* boom for police departments' funding
* later a big boost for the private prison industry
* big profits for dealers
* means for governments to make big money covertly
* excuse for oppressive/fascist/totalitarian laws - "no knock" and military-style raids, snooping into every detail of people's lives, etc.
Similarly, the copyright craze began with protectionism for one industry, and soon morphed into extremist laws and a pretext for censorship, monitoring of private communications, and remote control of other people's computers (DRM).
Ever since the internet came along, governments have been seeking a way to shut down the free flow of information that it enables. When people have easy, immediate access to information from all over the world, propaganda becomes less effective and having a few corporations controlling the mainstream media is no longer sufficient to manufacture acquiescence to policies.
Hollywood, of course, is the main propaganda arm of the US government - keeping Americans reliably lulled into complacency. The entertainment companies are also the means of US cultural imperialism abroad. For both these reasons, as well as business owners having effective control of government, these companies have to be kept profitable. Put this together with the quest for an excuse to clamp down on internet freedom, and copyright emerges as the perfect pretext and weapon against freedom of communication. | |
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No, its called the NWO. Of course the big bugaboo will be what constitutes "illegal information". In China that would be discussion of "Democracy" or "Christianity" in Saudi Arabia. It would be funny if the United States joins this proposed treaty and finds itself having to crack down on Church web sites and pro-democracy discussion because it violates the treaty! Time to put my Aluminum foil hat back on! | |
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Re: Um Yeahsaid by n2jtx:It would be funny if the United States joins this proposed treaty and finds itself having to crack down on Church web sites and pro-democracy discussion because it violates the treaty! The U.S. already has laws on copyright protection. You sound like one of the people that has been ignoring them. | |
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Re: Um YeahRead his remarks. He wasn't inadvertently going over the speed limit, he was arguing that we take down the traffic signs. | |
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It's justifiable to pirate many things...The interests who want us in jail for this have been able to pay government to not only extend copyright terms to ridiculous lengths, but also apply these extensions retroactively.
Walt ain't making a dime of Mickey and if Mickey were to fall under the copyright laws that existence when he was invented, he would be in the public domain. | |
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Whenever I load up a popular torrent there are always plenty of seeds from China, I don't see this as being anything but a psychological tool.
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Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted this» Eventually all Pirates and facilitators will go to jail.With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable. All governments ultimately will bend to the needs of businesses to protect their rights to their products and services. In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by FFH5:Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. Wow. Attempting to discuss anything with you is like talking to a brick wall. You are unable to grasp even the fundamental concepts the U.S. was founded upon. | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thisShills never seem to shill popular and moderate positions. Just positions that will make huge corporations richer and creative ways to turn citizens into criminals.
Funny how that works. I am sure it is simply a coincidence. | |
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said by FFH5:Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. That's funny, I kind of thought it had something to do with Taxation without Representation, the proclamation that restricted settlements west of the Appalachian Mountains, the quartering of troops in private residencies, blah, blah, blah, blah. Commercial interests definitely played a part but your view of history is so one-sided that I'm wondering if you are some sort of anti-Karl Marx and would release pure energy if combined with him? | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by Crookshanks:Commercial interests definitely played a part but your view of history is so one-sided that I'm wondering if you are some sort of anti-Karl Marx and would release pure energy if combined with him? Now THAT is funny. Tk is definitely the cooler anti-matter though. | |
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said by FFH5:Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. I don't know if your view is one of being really screwed up because you're part of the problem this country is in right now or you just wish you were part of it. To try to say that the "working slob", or imply it, has little relevance in this countries history and laws and government were formed to protect the ever so special in your view business community is just wrong and false and stupid. This country has been great at convincing the average citizen in the last 10 years that all government help has to go to businesses first and individuals last and all it has proved is that it benefits the minority of citizens and not the majority that fall into your "working slob" category. Screw the idea and the people that promote advancing themselves while it is detrimental to others. That is not what this country is about even if the current atmosphere make it seem so and makes it seem acceptable. | |
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Let us rememeber, what are business's? They are groups of people, the company has no money, the people that work there do or investors. WE have the money not the business. | |
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said by FFH5:said by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Who were the leaders of the American Revolution? Small businessmen and merchants and independent farmers. It wasn't the working slob. The US revolution was all about preventing the businessman from getting ripped off by the English government and NOT about protecting the worker from the businessman. WOW.... "working Slob" I'm speach-less, the lobbyist shill has no soul. | |
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When was the last time you saw the government enforcing the will of the (normal)people? | |
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said by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. ...at the taxpayer's expense, no less. | |
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said by SilverSurfer1:Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Ironically enough the Common Law legal system was heavily influenced by the Magna Carta -- a document that specifically restricted the powers of the King (and by association the rich land/business owners that put him in power) over his subjects. I guess TK missed that part of history class. | |
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Lets see if I can put this into perspective...
Corporations 'own' America through lobbiests, and have laws tailored to their needs. | |
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said by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Me too. I must have missed ConLaw that day... If you read our friend's other "lawyer" posts, you'll see he's very hostile towards the legal profession, while at the same time holding forth on points of law that would be obvious to a fourth-grader (i.e., Congress makes the laws and the courts interpret them, etc.). Methinks it's because he probably wanted to go to Law school all his life but didn't have the brains/drive/debating skills to get in. | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by Cuchulainn:said by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., but I don't remember reading anywhere in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that police powers were created to enforce the will of business. Me too. I must have missed ConLaw that day... If you read our friend's other "lawyer" posts, you'll see he's very hostile towards the legal profession, while at the same time holding forth on points of law that would be obvious to a fourth-grader (i.e., Congress makes the laws and the courts interpret them, etc.). Careful, you might get your posts deleted. | |
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said by SilverSurfer1:said by FFH5:[...] governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Funny, but I've studied law and have a J.D., Sorry, but that doesn't necessarily make you less of a *****. LOL. | |
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Yeah, let's see what China, Russia, multiple Eastern European countries, and Nigeria along with the rest of Africa. Let's not forget Israel and the Middle East. | |
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im so calling the feds if this bill gets through, if i have someone selling my browsing information without my permission then its unauthorized information transfer! | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by Kearnstd:im so calling the feds if this bill gets through, if i have someone selling my browsing information without my permission then its unauthorized information transfer! If only. This is only for protecting corporate interests, not yours. Besides, don't you know that that's so they can give you "enhanced" service? | |
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said by FFH5:With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable. All governments ultimately will bend to the needs of businesses to protect their rights to their products and services. In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. The last part is partly true in a general sense - one of the main functions of government is protecting property rights. Porperty rights themselves, however, do not always rule over all other considerations. In the long run, they tend to yield to more important human values. As recently as 19th century England, the law would sentence even a child to be killed or imprisoned for life for stealing even a few pence. Society later developed morally to the point where mercy and proportionality came into the picture, and now theft is treated more rationally. Similarly, prior to the civil war in USA, laws designed to prop up slavery became increasingly severe. A defender of that "peculiar institution" might well have said "With businesses not going to stand for their products to be stolen without being paid for, steps like this were inevitable" om defense of slavery. Yet instead of continuing to greater extremes, we finally recognized that slavery itself had to be moderated instead. Now it's done by the gentler means of debt and wage system rather than chains, whips and person-auctions. Similarly, in the long run we will have to moderate and humanize copyright instead of destroying other fundamental social values (freedom of communication, in this case) in order to uphold the current extremist version of copyright. | |
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Re: Thread back in Oct 2007 predicted thissaid by swhx7:Porperty rights themselves, however, do not always rule over all other considerations. In the long run, they tend to yield to more important human values. Cough cough ***property rights*** cough *** Kelo decision *** cough cough *** eminent domain *** cough cough wheeze..... | |
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said by FFH5:In fact, governments and the concomitant police powers arose for just that reason. Care to cite where this fact is or are you just stating it as fact when it is your own opinion. Someone needs to read the Declaration of Independence, especially the indictments the 13 colonies made against King George the III. | |
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Never would work.Watch.... the pirates will come out on top. | |
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WE should be telling THEMAn assumption of all these "intellectual property" protections is that the property deserves protection. To the contrary, the fundamental right that deserves protection is 1st amendment freedom of speech. Instead of the government assisting managers in making money from the content they control, it should be telling them that the internet is a toll-free information highway and they will have to figure out a way to make money from it without the punitive help of government.
The Napster decision was not appealed, in my opinion, because the media corporations saw that a win would have been a monetary loss of mammoth proportions in the long run. We should all make it clear to our federal legislators up for election this November that we won't vote for them if they endorse censorship for profit. They will all be getting plenty of money from the media corporations to insure that they do. | |
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What is unauthorized information exchange?And why is it a criminal act? | |
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Re: What is unauthorized information exchange?Exactly. It is this sort of "unauthorized information exchange" vagueness that the government wants in order to have broad powers in censorship, all for the sake of protecting intellectual property.
While I believe in protecting intellectual property, this is just flat out a bad idea. The potential for abuse should be considered just unacceptable in a free and open society that values the flow of information in all forms. | |
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Loss or Potential Loss?One issue that seams to have been forgotten in the whole Pirates vs. RIAA/MPAA is Loss or Potential loss? They claim that because Movie A was downloaded by X number of people then they have lost X number of paying customers. How many of those X number of people would have bought the "Intellectual Property" if they couldn't download it? | |
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Re: Loss or Potential Loss?  I would like to see statistics on the percentage of music files downloaded that are not available through legitimate channels. Many record labels cut out recordings that fall below a specific sales volume. Most record stores will return recordings to the distributor when the sales of that recording drops below a certain level. Floor space is valuable and there is no benefit to the store owners to stock recordings that do not sell. There is also the matter of licensing. There was a label named Mobil Fidelity laboratory that recorded existing masters of popular recordings using high quality equipment, they distributed recordings on high quality media such a gold Compact Discs. When the license expired the recordings were recalled and destroyed. I believe that many file traders would purchase their music, if it was available through normal channels. | |
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2008-May-23 12:28 pm
I hope that "Unauthorized Information Exchanges" . . .. . . will also include the selling of my private browsing behavior (without MY permission and compensation) by ISPs to marketing companies for profit. | |
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Re: I hope that "Unauthorized Information Exchanges" . . .said by newview:. . . will also include the selling of my private browsing behavior (without MY permission and compensation) by ISPs to marketing companies for profit. Strange thing is when I saw the title I thought this was about NebuAd and others. Wishful thinking I guess... | |
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Surely our founding fathers......did not intend the First Amendment to permit the "unauthorized" exchange of information. They only intended this freedom to extend to information that the government has "authorized." | |
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2008-May-23 12:32 pm
Arent...?Arent there more important things to worry about...?
Instead of worrying about how much money RIAA, MPAA and artist will make out of each sale they make or loose, should'nt this effort and willingness be applied on more important things, like making the US #1 on everything again..? or fixing health insurance, poverty, unemployment, immigration, bring back jobs from over seas...?
They are protecting a few jobs, but what about everything else that needs to be taken care of..? (a few named above) This only shows you that the entire system is for auction.
Can someone provide me the ebay link so i can bid on it...?
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Piracy is bad and nobody should support it like many.
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So who determines what's "unauthorized"?Could opposition party campaigning be classified as 'unauthorized'? How about the e-mail to my brother lamenting the actions of a member of congress, or the executive, or parliament (in another country, of course). This sure looks like the proverbial 'slippery slope', and it's pretty steep, too! | |
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Its irrelavantThe record industry displayed their horrendous greed in all its glory when they promoted the switch from analog to digital HD Radio broadcasts at your local radio station. While this switch was merely intended to improve revenue for the radio stations with the accompanied increase in record royalties by greatly increasing the quality of FM and AM broadcasts, it backfired and basically bite them in the area where sun shines not: You can record the HD Radio digital broadcast and obtain a near CD quality mp3 reproduction of any song they play. All you need is a specific HD Radio receiver, a cable that interfaces it with your windows PC, and HD RadioPC software. Your rights to record broadcasts that use our public airwaves are protected by law. Here is more information on how you can record all the high quality mp3's you want legally. So they can lock down the internet all they want, its completely irrelevant, as they have already shot themselves in the foot with a cannon. | |
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With the internet it's oil & water... meaningless as a fart in outer space.
Hey, I want to outlaw something, price gouging at the oil commodities exchange (including those shifty Arabs), stock market, oil refinery. Furthermore, I want a cap tied to the consumer price index. The dog should wag the tail, not the other way 'round.
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2008-May-23 1:38 pm
I find your lack of faith disturbingI find the following statements most interesting: "ex officio authority to take action against infringers (i.e. authority to act without complaint by rights holders)" Excuse me? Who is now the authority on what is authorized? If they don't even bother to tell/ask/inform the person(s) in possession of rights to their works, what gives them any such right to act? If I found out someone bootlegged my music, got busted, but I was never informed, I'd be upset. What if I'd given them permission to do whatever the heck they wanted, including distribution, without profit, for free? "Authority to order preservation of documentary evidence" Good luck with that. "Remedies against circumvention of technological protection measures used by copyright owners and the trafficking of circumvention devices." (sarcasm) Effective immediately, all persons with eyeballs, ears, and mouths are now deemed enemies of the state and will be blinded, have their tongues cut out, deafened, and ordered to wear no clothes as such things may circumvent technological protections. (/ sarcasm ) Seriously, what are they going to do next, outlaw all microphones, video cameras, and copper wire that connects such devices to various things and each other? | |
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 ztmikeMark for moderation
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join:2001-08-02
La Porte, IN |
ztmike
Premium Member
2008-May-23 1:44 pm
Cracks me upYou know what cracks me up..some country's ALLOW people to download all the music/movies they want, without any worries..and here we have extortion to people that want to download stuff.
So much for the "land of the free" | |
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|  Caddyroger
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join:2001-06-11
To the west |
Re: Cracks me upsaid by ztmike:You know what cracks me up..some country's ALLOW people to download all the music/movies they want, without any worries..and here we have extortion to people that want to download stuff. So much for the "land of the free" I guess you will never be in business selling products will you. You just give the products away for free. | |
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX |
They (the US Government) should just give up alreadyPiracy is impossible to stop. No matter what laws are passed
or what enforcement actions are taken (short of turning the
entire world into a totalitarian police state like in George
Orwell's 1984), it will never go away.
And so far, the alternatives being offered just don't cut it. | |
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Re: They (the US Government) should just give up alreadysaid by Doctor Four:Piracy is impossible to stop. No matter what laws are passed or what enforcement actions are taken (short of turning the entire world into a totalitarian police state like in George Orwell's 1984), it will never go away. And so far, the alternatives being offered just don't cut it. That's just it, though-they do want to turn the world into one giant prison. | |
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 mazhurg
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join:2004-05-02
Brighton, ON |
mazhurg
Premium Member
2008-May-23 3:23 pm
A facist wet dream!So,
The **AA ... Err US would like for everyone on earth to have a *licence* to own a web site?
Lets face it. A web (or any other publicly information source) is an information exchange location. the only way to have an * authorizations* is to have a permit....
We would say that could never happen. But then, a lot of our history could not have happened also.
Can't wait for elections (both North and South) to put those neo-cons to pasture where they belong.
Bah! | |
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| dentman42
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH |
Re: A facist wet dream!said by mazhurg:So, The **AA ... Err US would like for everyone on earth to have a *licence* to own a web site? Lets face it. A web (or any other publicly information source) is an information exchange location. the only way to have an * authorizations* is to have a permit.... We would say that could never happen. But then, a lot of our history could not have happened also. Can't wait for elections (both North and South) to put those neo-cons to pasture where they belong. Bah! Neo-cons? You mean the democrat-controlled congress where all new laws are currently introduced? I'm beginning to think the best strategy is to always vote against the incumbent. | |
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN |
dynodb
Premium Member
2008-May-23 3:25 pm
Oh the humanity!!!It's highly amusing watching you kiddies pretend that this is somehow about privacy, censorship or the Big Evil Corporations when everyone knows that the one and only reason you're upset is over the prospect of it being more difficult to pirate copywrited material.
I'm sure that thieves also hate those cameras they have in retail stores and would sympathize. | |
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I would like to see statistics on the percentage of music files downloaded that are not available through legitimate channels. Many record labels cut out recordings that fall below a specific sales volume. Most record stores will return recordings to the distributor when the sales of that recording drops below a certain level. Floor space is valuable and there is no benefit to the store owners to stock recordings that do not sell. There is also the matter of licensing. There was a label named Mobil Fidelity laboratory that recorded existing masters of popular recordings using high quality equipment, they distributed recordings on high quality media such a gold Compact Discs. When the license expired the recordings were recalled and destroyed. I believe that many file traders would purchase their music, if it was available through normal channels.
