  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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free??FREE HD programing?? yeah, for 6 months  Then it's full price Nice try Cable Co. | |
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Re: free??said by hopeflicker:FREE HD programing?? yeah, for 6 months Then it's full price Nice try Cable Co. you only get 4 channels for free all of them are free anyways locals............................ also you do not need an cable box if you have an ATSC/QAM tunner on your TV YES USA,TNT,DHDT will cost you an 20$ fee for the rental box | |
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2008-May-29 10:23 pm
Re: free??said by Anonymous_:said by hopeflicker:FREE HD programing?? yeah, for 6 months Then it's full price Nice try Cable Co. USA,TNT,DHDT will cost you an 20$ fee for the rental box WOW TW gouges even deeper than cox does for the "free hd" | |
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2008-May-30 12:01 am
Re: free??that depends on the division. It's $12/mo here for the HD-DVR, and I get 15 channels of HD for free. I pay $5/mo for Mojo, the HDNets, and Universal HD. | |
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"Once upon a time", I had a particular person say to me, that "if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth". It is only a "oft told lie" to the truly educated.  | |
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Free HD? Every TV provider offers free HD, you can even get over the air Free HD, but you still need an HD box. TW charges $6.31 for the first HD box, and $9 for additional boxes. Is that supposed to be a good deal? | |
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Re: free??Pricing depends upon area. Not every area uses the same rates as everyone knows with Time Warner. Just because you pay that price doesn't mean that I would in Ohio. They basically charge what the market will bare and if they have anyone else to compete against. Which normally they don't. | |
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Actually, you don't  All I had to do is plug in my HDTV-capable tv into cable, and all local channels and several extra ones lit up immediately. You need HD box if you want to watch premium HD channels and VOD. Otherwise, tuner-equipped HDTV TV is good enough. | |
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2008-May-29 6:56 pm
lowly schmoeIt's always a great way to convince uninformed people by using an actor who's appearance is that of a less-informed person. This is a new low though.
"Hey, if dumbo here has something I don't, I want it too, and he must be right; he's on mah screen!"
Borderline false advertising here - yes, the cable companies have been upgrading many lines to fiber over the years, but none that I've heard of will actually deliver an actual strand of fiber to your residence. It all gets converted to coax somewhere along the way... | |
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2008-May-29 7:05 pm
Re: lowly schmoeactually Verizon does have Fiber all the way to the house but stops outside as maybe 1-2% of homes are wired with fiber optic lines. look at where they said free HD programming and claimed that Verizon requires a HD box for viewing and you pay extra for that...Well Guess what it also says in fine print HD programming not available in all areas and requires you to lease a HD or HD DVR unit for viewing. How is that not false advertisement? | |
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I seen itz on mah internetz. it muzt be truz !
I hated that guy in his tv show and I hate the web site already , there is some funny stuff in the kool aid over there in the TW Ivory Tower. | |
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Re: lowly schmoethe only reason they picked him is because 'Larry' is so busy with his movies and career maybe TW should've picked jim carrey's version instead, considering the way they're acting. | |
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"It all gets converted to coax somewhere along the way..."
That's true of FiOS TV too, right? Light to coax to TV. Both use QAM based digital and analog. Same channels, same Motorola set top box, similar price. One goes from light to coax down the street and the other outside your house. Meh. What's the diff?
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Re: lowly schmoe10x less analog channels, and no DOCSIS or VOD streams to eat up bandwidth. Tell cable to do that. | |
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The difference is the fiber is at the house, terminated into a box attached to the side. That fiber has nearly infinate bandwidth in comparison to that chunk of copper that you share with 1500 people. You know there is a difference, you're just being a fanboi. For the record I'm in Comcast and Qwest territory and use DirecTV for my TV and Qwest for my internet.
Anyone with a brain knows there is a major difference in long term use of having a fiber right to your house and having a piece of copper running to your home. Verzion has nearly limitless options in future upgradeability with minimal cost. They could in theory deliver 10 independent full cable systems with 200+ channels each on that fiber along with gigabit ethernet without breaking a sweat, if equipment to utilize it and the actual content existed. That future proofing allows Verizon to react quicker to newer technology and delivery methods and because of nearly limitless bandwidth they likely won't get in the habit of over compressing signals like some cable operators or the previous actions of some satellite providers. | |
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Key word you used "uninformed"...I think that says it all.. To compare a fiber optic line to the side of your home(CAT5e or better to computer), compared to fiber used for back haul(cable)...hmmm...and their bonded cable DOCSIS 3.x, 4x...whatever will never be able to compete with FTTP. Isn't PR & marketing great !! | |
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2008-May-29 11:51 pm
Re: lowly schmoeIt won't be able to "compete"? Are you really sure about that?
It's certianly not as future proof as full FTTH, but with a variety of new things coming out for cable (1ghz, DOCSIS 3, MPEG 4, deprecation of analog), cable will be able to hold its own for a really long time. Its pretty amazing to see how far the cablecos have been able to push the old DOCSIS 1.1 standard when provoked by Verizon. There is really a tremendous amount of bandwidth potential on coax. | |
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AT&T sales 'kids' have been selling Uverse as 'fiber optics' as well. Sure there's fiber optics in their system...it isn't to your house though, unless you happen to be a rare new build area.
I could just as well state that ADSL has fiber optics...but its 10,000' away at the CO, and not ~2,000' at the VRAD. | |
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said by amungus:It's always a great way to convince uninformed people by using an actor who's appearance is that of a less-informed person. This is a new low though. "Hey, if dumbo here has something I don't, I want it too, and he must be right; he's on mah screen!" I guess you could call that the "Geico Effect". . .Even a Caveman can do it! or modified for this situation: "Even this dumbass has it". | |
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Our local TWC billboards......claim "Fiber fast internet" despite TWC not offering speeds even remotely clost to Verizons top tier here. | |
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2008-May-29 7:06 pm
Re: Our local TWC billboards...I give verizon a lot of flak (they get away with a lot of shady stuff) but you have to give them some credit for starting a fiber network. | |
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Comcast has the same kind of Fiber-Optic Network that Time Warner does. It's a Super-Hybrid FTTMCGVOWTCHAIJ2640A network FIBER TO THE MOST CONVENIENT GENERAL VICINITY OF WHERE THE CUSTOMERS HOMES ACTUALLY IS, JUST 2640' AWAY.  | |
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Re: Our local TWC billboards...LOL, FTTH - Fiber to the Headend | |
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said by K3SGM:Comcast has the same kind of Fiber-Optic Network that Time Warner does. It's a Super-Hybrid FTTMCGVOWTCHAIJ2640A network FIBER TO THE MOST CONVENIENT GENERAL VICINITY OF WHERE THE CUSTOMERS HOMES ACTUALLY IS, JUST 2640' AWAY. I have seen those Comcast commercials with FIBER the operative word.  | |
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I find it far more likely that, instead of "fiber" as in fiberoptics, they're considering the speed at which dietary fiber travels through the colon. "So for $20 more a month, I can upgrade from Corn Muffin Speed to Wheat Bagel Speed?"  | |
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2008-May-29 7:10 pm
I beat them both!When I was a kid, I connected 2 tin cans with a fibre line. | |
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2008-May-29 7:18 pm
actually Time Warner is partially correctActually Time Warner is partially correct in their supposed statement that they (probably supposed to mean the "Cable Operators" in general) have been using fiber optics before Verizon. This pertains to TV service. Cable providers like Comcast and Time Warner Cable use Hybrid-Fiber-Coax networks, which start out from the headend using Fiber lines to the nodes, which converts the fiber line (and signal) to coax.
Now although I haven't seen this yet, Time Warner claiming you need a dish is false, I don't know where they got that from. But you do need a cable-box on every TV that you want to have cable channels, since they are all digital. Cable operators are struggling to catch up to the other all-digital cable system/networks (ex. Fios, DirecTV) primarily because they still have analog channels and plenty of analog-only customers. 12 Digital channels or 3 HD channels can replace 1 single analog channel. So, they will migrate digital channels over to analog, but that takes some time too.. They are going to gradually migrate selected channels over to digital, but customers with analog sets are going to call complaining that we took their channels away and claim murder as usual. Change is good though, and hopefully these folks will migrate with everyone else and eventually just get the cable boxes. Change is going to happen anyways whether they like it or not. | |
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2008-May-29 7:34 pm
Re: actually Time Warner is partially correctIf you're going to talk about the length of time cable has had fiber in the network, and try to compare that to how long the telco's have had fiber in their network (remember, AT&T basically invented fiber optics), cable looses again. | |
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2008-May-29 8:11 pm
Re: actually Time Warner is partially correctsaid by viperlmw:If you're going to talk about the length of time cable has had fiber in the network, and try to compare that to how long the telco's have had fiber in their network (remember, AT&T basically invented fiber optics), cable looses again. Sorry for not making this clear, I meant to state that Timew Warner probably is refering to how long Cable Operators have been using Fiber for TV. TV afterall is what Cable Operators started out as. So I think thats what they mean. But Time Warner isn't the only company stating this. Comcast has been too. | |
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Re: actually Time Warner is partially correctSo is Charter where I live(San Luis Obispo, CA) Big deal. Fiber cable isn't the problem, neighborhood nodes is...
Amazing I can't access VOD sometimes...wonder why? | |
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'Actually Time Warner is partially correct in their supposed statement that they (probably supposed to mean the "Cable Operators" in general) have been using fiber optics before Verizon.'
Verizon used fiber for the backhaul and remote systems before they even were Verizon. HFC is topologically not much different than any FTTN set-up. | |
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When verizon was still bell atlantic here on long island they were going to convert the long island network to all fiber in the late 90's. They started the conversion in the 90's and then stopped when they went to verizon .
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Comcast and Time Warner DID NOT start out with Fiber. They added it in the mid-late 1990s. Remember when you had to call in by phone to get PPV? Telcos used fiber way before cable TV did. | |
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Fiber fast, huh?Does TWC offer symmetrical residential tiers, much less normal tiers that are as fast as FiOS? Nope. Do cable companies still use satellites for cable TV? As far as I know; correct me if this is wrong, but last I checked that's how it is. Shame on them.
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Business 101Yes Karl, it is cheaper now to market against, then to spend more on DOCSIS 3.0 while average people do not even know what it is or what to do with it. I think in a year you might have a point but for now the demand is not great enough. And then by that time, Time Warner will have its Docsis 3 rolled out. Why spend more now and not make as much on the investment when you can spend less later and still make the same. Business 101. | |
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Re: Business 101Nothing like a good misinformation campaign. By the time the lawsuits are done, you would have reaped all the customers and profited from them by then. | |
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2008-May-29 7:40 pm
KarmaIt's funny how Verizon is suing TWC for false advertising. For the longest time, Verizon (pre-FIOS) advertised their 768/128 DSL service against cable, saying that was a lot cheaper than cable and never touching the fact that it was a lot slower than cable. Perhaps not false advertising, but their DSL ads were certainly misleading.
Frankly they're both guilty of misleading advertising - anyone who thinks otherwise if just a fanboy of whatever service they have. | |
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Re: KarmaSo true Karma, I mean as companies go, verizon is the worst at lying about somethign and then just lobbying to get there way. There are endless examples, unlimited limited data package. The companies are ridiculous, ANYTHING TO MAKE MONEY, AND I MEAN ANYTHING. | |
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thats why comcrap make the ad saying verizon is slower and then verizon started to put up to 768kbps | |
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Next ,Time Warner is gonna say"Verizon FIOS needs a digital converter box to make all television signals digital!" Please go out and buy this and that and that because its not that good compared to Time Warner. Let me say something here, would you spend $100 a month for cable when you are in hurricane territory where you have a fear that all the utility poles are gonna get knocked down or spend $100 a month for FiOS when cables are buried under your front lawn and you are in L.A., where Earthquakes happen 10 times a day or more? At least for FiOS, you have nothing to lose if there is an earthquake compared to Cable when your power goes out, you have no cable because all the utility poles are knocked down due to weather.
And why is Mike O'Malley the person who is the "spokesperson" for Time Warner? Why not get someone like Paris Hilton or Brittney Spears etc. ?
My friend who lives down in Tampa who had Bright House lost his cable for over a month due to the hurricanes a few years ago because all the utility poles fell over due to the wind and rain. Now he have Verizon FiOS and he said he loves it!! | |
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2008-May-29 7:59 pm
PYTThat's funny, I can't get them to go to my parents house to bury a cable they tore up their yard getting to. If they don't get to it by next Wednesday (three weeks after they dug) then I'm cutting the cable with the lawnmower. Hey, accidents happen. | |
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2008-May-29 8:14 pm
Re: A wise man said it best....Phone companys started out with only copper wires going to operators that would pick up the lines. Cable companies started out with Coax I believe but turned into Fiber possibly before Telephones were using switches, involving a inter-state phone system and eventually using backbones long down the road. | |
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Cable Co mso vs. Telco mso: Round 1.Time Warner will compete head-to-head with Verizon FIOS in NYC for the first time ever. The consumer will have a choice which service they want to turn on. MDU Buildings wired for both will have a choice for the first time.
Fios runs up to 50megabits now. Time Warner 20? Docsis 3.0 can bring 50+megabits but they don't seem convinced enough to rush anything just yet. This will change when Verizon begins taking their customers.
Why is Cablevision still hocking $29.95 triple play? Might that be the Verizon FIOS effect? | |
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Well at least we know where your loyalties are Karl...If you're going to post an objective article thats one thing but I'm gonna call ya on this one...you are short on facts and long on "I love FIOS regardless of what customers are actually experiencing". Not an article I would expect from a site that claims to be unbiased.
FACTS are: Verizon has been engaged in an all out legal war against anyone they deem to be a threat to their latest marketing campaign. The filing of threats and bogus lawsuits is well documented. It should be noted that Verizon has failed to prevail in ANY of their bogus lawsuits and this speaks worlds (something you so easily forgot to mention in your article above Karl).
Maybe Verizon should spend less effort threatening the competition and more time fixing the relationships with their customer and broken billing systems before they go on bogus assaults on their competitors. | |
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2008-May-29 9:51 pm
I don't think that TW is being misleading at all...Back in the day when I had it..My RR connection was traveling along their fiber network long before verizon ever got into the game. Almost 10 years before in fact.
And, I don't think they claimed that you needed a dish to get fios. Verizon does, after all have a dsl/satellite package they offer as well.
The way that Verizon has spread the word about fios/fiber..I think TW is very justified in letting people know they have plenty of it in their network as well. | |
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Re: I don't think that TW is being misleading at all...said by Rick5:Back in the day when I had it..My RR connection was traveling along their fiber network long before verizon ever got into the game. Almost 10 years before in fact. And, I don't think they claimed that you needed a dish to get fios. Verizon does, after all have a dsl/satellite package they offer as well. The way that Verizon has spread the word about fios/fiber..I think TW is very justified in letting people know they have plenty of it in their network as well. Did your RR terminate at the home? Because VZ offers a package in NON-FIOS areas with DirecTv doesn't mean it's ok to lie about Fios itself. Verizon has spread the word based on what they offer. TW has not, but you are taking liberties and playing fast and loose with words by saying "they have plenty of it in their network". You know the infrastructure is different. | |
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2008-May-29 9:54 pm
LOLSo being that Time Warner can't compete with Verizon on internet speeds..they will just lie and say they can..LOL
They must be feeling the pinch from FiOS BIG TIME.
To all those with FiOS I just want to say that I envy you, Comcast is also nothing but lies and trickery with their torrent "delaying" and hidden caps | |
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2008-May-30 12:28 pm
Re: LOLDunno. I find RoadRunner to be inordinately cheaper and more durable than anything from any other provider out here. Maybe on the East coast there's more consideration to the fiber guys, but out here...pshh. | |
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2008-May-29 10:12 pm
Fiber is the "cool" thing to have on the block nowTime Warner and Comcast are both hyping up the fact that they use fiber in their networks now. Even though they've been using it for years with their HFC networks, its only now that it's such a big deal. So why?
It's because they're being threatened by Verizon's claim of having a 100% fiber-optic network that the general public now believes means better quality and performance. This isn't necessarily true though. For example, AT&T has some FTTH deployments for their U-Verse service but are still restricted with speeds that VDSL is limited to so they see no immediate advantages.
Having fiber in the network is now the "cool" and "in" thing it seems. And those companies that refuse to go out on a limb like Verizon has done with an expensive pure fiber-optic network are trying to do whatever they can to promote the fact that their network is made up of fiber at some point or another.
Now I'll be impressed when I see a Verizon, AT&T, or any other cable/phone company go beyond FTTH (fiber to the home)and have true FTTH (fiber throughout the home)... | |
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Re: Fiber is the "cool" thing to have on the block nowsaid by VZ FiOS :
It's because they're being threatened by Verizon's claim of having a 100% fiber-optic network that the general public now believes means better quality and performance. This isn't necessarily true though. For example, AT&T has some FTTH deployments for their U-Verse service but are still restricted with speeds that VDSL is limited to so they see no immediate advantages.
Well yes AT&T does use some fiber just like cable. VDSL was a choice they made. Thing is they are being penny wise pound foolish. In a few years after they finish this build AT&T are going to have to take out those VDSL installs and put even more fiber overlay just to compete. Yes VZ is spending big bucks here. But it will be a much better investment over time. I just wish they would get off their collective @r$&$ and get flex fiber into apartments. We had FIOS in town for over 2 years and still no build out to apartment dwellers.  | |
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TWC Who ?Time Warner Road Runner is busy kissing my ASS right now. Because of their practice of over-selling capacity and then putting some 17 year old kids reading scripts for their level 2 business tech support, I just replaced 2 commercial TWC cable connections with a pair of Verizon T-1 circuits. No DSL or fiber available. I went from a TWC 3x1.5 @ $345 / Mo and a TWC 3x768 @ $225 / Mo to a pair of tees at $580 ea. Good fucking riddence TWC !!!! Talking with the ole' wallet thingy ! | |
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Charter's doing similar commercials.Late the other night I saw a charter commercial with a similar attitude attacking FIOS. Had a very similar feel to it. Kept making comments like, "ohh, verizon uses fiber, well, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, about ten years late", atuff like that. I'll have to keep my eyes open for that commercial if it airs again, to see how it compared to the TWC commercial. | |
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2008-May-30 8:56 am
So is ComcastSounds like an amazing coincidence.
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2008-May-30 3:08 am
They all use false advertisingAsk yourself this question...if FiOS has infinite bandwidth then why can't they roll out more HD channels? It's not because of deals with networks. Verizon made a HUGE technical blunder when developing their triple tier (TV, Internet, Phone) system. Each data pipe is separate. They currently don't have the bandwidth to add more HD channels and keep their services humming along. Ever wonder why their VOD service isn't any faster or more expansive than cable?
There is no doubt that FiOS rules for internet right now. What's funny is that their phone service (at least in my area) is the same old regular verizon phone. No cool features at all. At least cablevision and TWC throw in a ton of "free" features."
I have FiOS and I wouldn't go back to cable or Sat for anything in the world. But all these guys advertise falsely. On the radio I constantly hear the Verizon ad that says FiOS is so much better than cable it makes regular TV look like HD. Huh?
I don't really see how TWC can imply that FiOS TV requires a dish. I guess they are saying that currently without Fios, Verizon offers TV through DirecTV. But that is way misleading. That's like "Hillary Clinton" misleading. | |
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2008-May-30 4:52 am
Fiber or notTWC needs to fix its over-sold, at max capacity node issues in areas. Or people will be leaving for the 'fiber highway'. | |
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All I had to do is plug in my HDTV-capable tv into cable, and all local channels and several extra ones lit up immediately.
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