 joako
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joako
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2008-Jul-3 3:27 pm
The "only way"I didn't know that TW had eliminated 100% of their analog channels. |
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Re: That is one hell of a downgradeMight be newer version of Navigator, which doesn't have this problem. We're on 2.4.10_11 now. |
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HD Channels in KCHere are the HD channels in Kansas City after a major upgrade...
Released several weeks ago..
999 HD INDEMAND PPV
1024 Music HD (SDV)
1045 Discovery HD (SDV)
1052 Food Network HD (SDV)
1054 HGTV HD (SDV)
Been around for a while...
1401 - 1402 KCPT
1403 KCPT Create
1404 KCPT Kids
1411 WDAF - 4 Fox HD
1421 KMBC 9 ABC HD
1422 KMBC First Alert Weather
1431 KCWE The CW HD
1441 KSHB-41 NBC HD
1442 KSHB Action Weather Plus
1451 KCTV 5 CBS HD
1460 TNT HD
1461 National Geographic HD
1462 History Channel HD
1471 My KSMO TV HD
1496 Fox Sports Midwest - Kansas City
1497 ESPN-HD
1498 ESPN-2 HD
1499 A&E High Definition
1500 HD Theater
1501 MOJO (SDV)
1503 HD Net
1504 HDNET Movies
1506 Universal HD
1550 Movies on Demand HD
1555 HD Showcase On Demand
1700 HBO East High Definition
1720 Cinemax HD East
1740 Showtime High Definition
1760 Starz HD East
Added July 2...
1014 TBS HD (SDV)
1023 Science HD (SDV)
1040 The Learning Channel HD (SDV)
1044 CNN HD (SDV)
1050 Travel HD (SDV)
1055 Versus/Golf HD (SDV)
1057 Animal Planet HD (SDV)
1060 Fox News HD (SDV)
1202 Outdoor HD (SDV)
1204 ESPN News HD (SDV)
1217 Biography HD (SDV)
1226 Planet Green HD (SDV)
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More HD will be added next month (SDV and non-SDV) as they plan to move many low watched SD channels to SDV. Should have over 100 by end of year. Supposedly, they'll have capacity for 500 HD channels. |
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 MacLeechThe one and only
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SoCal
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Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?said by Joe12345678:How much space does SDV free up in a high use area? Depends... said by Joe12345678:At what point is the SDV split done the headend? the node? Headend. It's where the data transport ends and the distribution begins anyway. It's the choke point where the cable company has to decide and generate what to send down the smallest pipe in their network. It's where the RF channels are created. said by Joe12345678:What happens when there is not room left channels that are need in a area? Customers and server logs get an error message. Network management should be monitoring such events for repair or upgrades. said by Joe12345678:Things like that may end of stopping cable from having 200+ hd channels? Why? It's possible they could also just go IPTV and send just the channel requested. Without SDV or IPTV, they can't even get to 200+ HD channels because of all the other channels demanding RF spectrum. said by Joe12345678:Will all channels be on SDV or will some high use ones be on all the time? Only the channels the provider setup are on SDV, it doesn't have to be all of them. It could be a handful. It could just be the PEG (public, education, and government) channnels they're mandated to carry but everybody claims never to watch... or it could be shopping channels or Hallmark and Wealth in a college area or G4, Playboy, and SciFi in a senior citizen home. It really just depends on demand. |
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thorin
join:2007-11-08
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to xenophon
Re: I have a CableCard TWC box in KCits 1200 Cable card customers. not the OCAP boxes |
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MacLeechThe one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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Re: That is one hell of a downgradesaid by Cogdis:You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!" Verizon has been in a major hurry to ditch the analog channels they carry on FIOS and pretty slow to add HD channels. With the current FIOS setup and design, they're limited to the same 860 Mhz RF bandwidth for TV that channels many cable providers are... so "totally out"? No, but the limitations they've run into has caused them to change their plans and look at IPTV in the not too distant future. It's all the talk here: » www2.dslreports.com/foru ··· -Markets |
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Standard Def Channels going to SDVThese STANDARD DEF channels are going SDV next month in KC. This will allow for about 18-20 more non-SDV HD channels.
Video Rola 157
Canal Sur 159
HITN 167
EWTN 190
TBN 191
The Word 192
American Life 193
Inspiration 194
Inspiration Life 195
The Gospel Music Channel 196
Daystar 197
Family Net 198
Outdoor Channel 202
G4 216
Biography 217
History International 218
Military Channel 224
Investigation Discovery 225
Planet Green 226
Bloomberg 227
CNBC World 228
Fox Business 230
C-SPAN 3 232
Gameshow 240
Wam 242
The N 245
Boomerang 246
Fuse 250
Ovation 251
TV One 253
Sleuth 255
VH-1 Classic 258
Fine Living 260
Lifetime Real Women 261
BBC America 263
Fit TV 264
Sundance 285
IFC 287
HBO Signature W 305
HBO Family W 307
HBO Comedy W 309
HBO Latino W 313
Showtime Too 342
SHOSHCS 344 |
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Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?said by Joe12345678:How much space does SDV free up in a high use area? Depends on the engineering. In a non-switched system, every possible channel is transmitted to every house. That's what, 100 or two hundred channels? said by Joe12345678:At what point is the SDV split done the headend? the node? Wouldn't make sense to do it at the headend. Presumably it's done where ever the system transitions from fiber to coax. said by Joe12345678:What happens when there is not room left channels that are need in a area? Things like that may end of stopping cable from having 200+ hd channels? You don't need a separate channel for each house, just each channel being watched. Clearly they've done the analysis that shows that subscribers on a given node are unlikely to exceed the bandwidth available. Anyway, SDV is just an interim step until they install fiber to the neighborhood or house. said by Joe12345678:Will all channels be on SDV or will some high use ones be on all the time? What purpose would it serve to be broadcasting a channel noone is watching? |
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 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
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Well clearly...It's in the cableco's best interests to not have folks using their own gear.
TiVo is unfortunately caught out in this. They have the best UI no question, but when you have to piggyback onto the provider's network you have a serious control problem.
TiVo states they're working with the cablecos to come up with a solution, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out that there isn't much motivation for the cable industry to have that solution in place.
TiVo's best bets are more device partnerships like they are doing with Comcast but hey we all know how long that's taking to roll out.
It's crap but it's getting to be harder for me to continue supporting TiVo just because of the inconvenience. |
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Re: Where's my shout out!Next time, might I suggest you not submit it to the news queue anonymously?
But thank you. |
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Re: Correctionsaid by cypherstream: Wish we could take the best of both companies and create one super provider that had it all. Be careful what you wish for. Think now. . . .THINK!!!  |
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Re: Well clearly...said by GlobalMind:TiVo states they're working with the cablecos to come up with a solution, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out that there isn't much motivation for the cable industry to have that solution in place. The cable industry shouldn't be responsible for Tivo's slowness. It's Tivo's responsibility to their customers to keep up with the cable companies. TWC shouldn't have to wait to rollout SDV when it's Tivo's fault for not putting out two-way hardware. |
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Re: That is one hell of a downgradesaid by ReVeLaTeD:It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. No, it is a TWC issue. They give people flawed hardware. Most cable boxes do not suffer from this problem. I can't wait until the day some kind of drm screws up right in the middle of the superbowl. That might actually get people to fix things. |
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 Vchat20Landing is the REAL challenge
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join:2003-09-16
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to Rob
Re: Help us.. Help you..Tivo users that are using cablecards can get their own 'tuning resolver' so they can continue using them. No CableCO provided STB required. |
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fiberguy2My views are my own.
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to Joe12345678
Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?With the amount of Digital Channels that are used in a node at any given time, I'm almost certain that you won't saturate the node. I believe it was about, what, 20 channels per node in use at any-one time? Or was it 20%. Either way, the digital tier is used so little as compared to analog it's not a problem. |
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 ReVeLaTeD
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to insomniac84
Re: That is one hell of a downgradeIf it were a TWC issue, other connection types would be similarly impacted. They're not. It's only HDMI. And as I said, other devices have similar problems with HDMI.
HDMI is the culprit. In their haste to lock down the "perfect connection", issues were created with the convenience factor. It's almost better to use Component and optical so you don't have to deal with that crap. |
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Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?said by MacLeech:said by Joe12345678:How much space does SDV free up in a high use area? Depends... said by Joe12345678:At what point is the SDV split done the headend? the node? Headend. It's where the data transport ends and the distribution begins anyway. It's the choke point where the cable company has to decide and generate what to send down the smallest pipe in their network. It's where the RF channels are created. said by Joe12345678:What happens when there is not room left channels that are need in a area? Customers and server logs get an error message. Network management should be monitoring such events for repair or upgrades. said by Joe12345678:Things like that may end of stopping cable from having 200+ hd channels? Why? It's possible they could also just go IPTV and send just the channel requested. Without SDV or IPTV, they can't even get to 200+ HD channels because of all the other channels demanding RF spectrum. said by Joe12345678:Will all channels be on SDV or will some high use ones be on all the time? Only the channels the provider setup are on SDV, it doesn't have to be all of them. It could be a handful. It could just be the PEG (public, education, and government) channnels they're mandated to carry but everybody claims never to watch... or it could be shopping channels or Hallmark and Wealth in a college area or G4, Playboy, and SciFi in a senior citizen home. It really just depends on demand. Playboy costs $14+ and up so that may end on SDV |
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said by fiberguy2:With the amount of Digital Channels that are used in a node at any given time, I'm almost certain that you won't saturate the node. I believe it was about, what, 20 channels per node in use at any-one time? Or was it 20%. Either way, the digital tier is used so little as compared to analog it's not a problem. only in systems where the good channels are still on analog like how WOW cable is. |
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Re: HD Channels in KCsaid by xenophon:Here are the HD channels in Kansas City after a major upgrade... Released several weeks ago.. 999 HD INDEMAND PPV 1024 Music HD (SDV) 1045 Discovery HD (SDV) 1052 Food Network HD (SDV) 1054 HGTV HD (SDV) Been around for a while... 1401 - 1402 KCPT 1403 KCPT Create 1404 KCPT Kids 1411 WDAF - 4 Fox HD 1421 KMBC 9 ABC HD 1422 KMBC First Alert Weather 1431 KCWE The CW HD 1441 KSHB-41 NBC HD 1442 KSHB Action Weather Plus 1451 KCTV 5 CBS HD 1460 TNT HD 1461 National Geographic HD 1462 History Channel HD 1471 My KSMO TV HD 1496 Fox Sports Midwest - Kansas City 1497 ESPN-HD 1498 ESPN-2 HD 1499 A&E High Definition 1500 HD Theater 1501 MOJO (SDV) 1503 HD Net 1504 HDNET Movies 1506 Universal HD 1550 Movies on Demand HD 1555 HD Showcase On Demand 1700 HBO East High Definition 1720 Cinemax HD East 1740 Showtime High Definition 1760 Starz HD East Added July 2... 1014 TBS HD (SDV) 1023 Science HD (SDV) 1040 The Learning Channel HD (SDV) 1044 CNN HD (SDV) 1050 Travel HD (SDV) 1055 Versus/Golf HD (SDV) 1057 Animal Planet HD (SDV) 1060 Fox News HD (SDV) 1202 Outdoor HD (SDV) 1204 ESPN News HD (SDV) 1217 Biography HD (SDV) 1226 Planet Green HD (SDV) __________________ More HD will be added next month (SDV and non-SDV) as they plan to move many low watched SD channels to SDV. Should have over 100 by end of year. Supposedly, they'll have capacity for 500 HD channels. Discovery HD is far from a low watched channel. |
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to insomniac84
Re: That is one hell of a downgradesaid by insomniac84:Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. i leave my Box on 24/7 no issuses with HDCP syncing up |
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join:1999-12-08
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to Rob
Re: Help us.. Help you..said by Rob:In other words, to make some extra dough before the fourth quarter, and to help cover the costs of switching to SDV, TW wants owners to start paying for a STB. Are they planning on giving the 1200 customers free set top boxes to replace their Tivos? After all, it's only 1200 customers, a 'small' number. Those should be FREE DVRs not just FREE STBs since that is what replacing a Tivo needs to be an equivelent swap - you need to get a DVR not just a STB, |
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Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?said by MacLeech:said by Joe12345678:Things like that may end of stopping cable from having 200+ hd channels? Why? It's possible they could also just go IPTV and send just the channel requested. Without SDV or IPTV, they can't even get to 200+ HD channels because of all the other channels demanding RF spectrum. If the feed to the STB were upgraded from IPv4 to IPv6 then the SDV type channels could be sent via IPv6 Multicast which would automatically allow only one copy of the content to flow to a Node and would prevent that content from going to any Node where a STB is not tuned to the channel. |
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Re: Standard Def Channels going to SDVsaid by xenophon:These STANDARD DEF channels are going SDV next month in KC. This will allow for about 18-20 more non-SDV HD channels. Video Rola 157 Canal Sur 159 There is nothing on the www.twckc.com web site indicating most of those changes. The only indication is that next week, the rest of the HD channels (outside of local channels) will be moving. Now, I will admit, I'm definitely liking how it is easy to remember the HD channels = 1000 + SD channel number so TNT is 32 and TNTHD will become 1032. When they are adding Weather Channel HD? |
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Re: That is one hell of a downgradeOther connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) |
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fiberguy2My views are my own.
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to Joe12345678
Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?That has nothing to do with it. The amount of channels will still remain proportionate to the amount of bandwidth they expect to reclaim with SDV. When you consider that they will stuff about 6 to 8 analogs into one frequency. Take a 70 channel analog basic and stuff that into digital, you'd reduce the analog burden by about 57 to 60, depending. Even if you had every typical analog in use and the 20 digital in use, you'd still only be using about 15 frequency slots in anode which is far less than before. |
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MacLeechThe one and only
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to RARPSL
said by RARPSL:If the feed to the STB were upgraded from IPv4 to IPv6 then the SDV type channels could be sent via IPv6 Multicast which would automatically allow only one copy of the content to flow to a Node and would prevent that content from going to any Node where a STB is not tuned to the channel. What's wrong with IPv4 IPTV multicast? |
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Re: That is one hell of a downgradesaid by insomniac84:Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) The fault can go multiple ways, box, tv, guide... including the cable in between too. It's possible the TV has an issue with the HDMI signal the box puts out, even if the box signal correctly follows the HDCP spec. It's possible the TV is NOT communicating with the box correctly during the sync. See the Fios TV thread regarding Samsung TVs and their boxes as an example... or read this: » utahtechinfo.com/video/hdmi.htmlor this: » www.popularmechanics.com ··· 233.htmlor this: » www.avrant.com/?p=194HDCP over HDMI is by no means perfect, even if everybody is following the same spec. Component connections are far more reliable... Either way though, it has NOTHING to do with Tivo users not being able to use SDV. |
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Re: Well clearly...If Tivo wasn't such an arrogant company and played nicely before, we all would have an option to have Tivo on cable company's box. I think it was the biggest mistake Tivo made -- by not trying to get into cable company's hardware and waiting until they "crawl back to them" asking for a better deal. Instead it's the Tivo that did the crawling and still it has no agreement with Time Warner cable...
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RARPSL
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to MacLeech
Re: How much space does SDV free up in a high use area?said by MacLeech:said by RARPSL:If the feed to the STB were upgraded from IPv4 to IPv6 then the SDV type channels could be sent via IPv6 Multicast which would automatically allow only one copy of the content to flow to a Node and would prevent that content from going to any Node where a STB is not tuned to the channel. What's wrong with IPv4 IPTV multicast? Simple. With IPv4 Multicast EACH user has their own SEPARATE copy of the session between them and the Multicast Server. IOW: It is the same (ie: Equivalent to) as each user doing their own FTP Download of the stream. Thus if there are 1000 users turned to the same channel who are talking to the same Server from my Node (or Nodes that share the path to the Server that my Node is using), there are 1000 sessions and thus 1000 copies of the content flowing eating up bandwidth. Think of it like 1000 phone calls listing to the same one-way conversation. With IPv6 Multicasting, there is one Session per Node which each user is monitoring (the User's End is a IPv6 Multicast IPN like the old IPv4 Broadcast IPN [1 bits in the Host Section of the IPN - Ex: For a /24 IPN the Bradcast address is x.x.x.255 and all nodes in the x.x.x/24 subdomain listen and hear the session]). If there are 5 nodes that are receiving the session from the Server, there are only 5 sessions with data flowing not 1000. Think of it like the old Telephone Party Line. As an analogy, it is the difference between 1000 people driving to work and these 1000 people using buses to get to work which start at Park&Ride Parking Lots. The same 1000 people use LOTS LESS vehicles between work and the Park&Ride lots. |
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