 Grandave
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Grandave
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2008-Jul-9 12:46 pm
I wonderHow many other cable co's are degrading VOIP services. I know when i had ATT Calladvantage, i had frequent poor quality of calls over time warner cable lines. I was one of the many who took the triple play deal.. |
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Rick5
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Rick5
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2008-Jul-9 12:50 pm
This was a joint press release....Not a technical paper.
In the business world one wouldn't expect them to include technical specifics in a press release of that sort.
I also wouldn't expect Comcast to spell out how they do anything technically related anyway. Nothing like handing over to their competitors free technical advise if they did.
Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Re: I wonderThat type of thing is why net neutrality is necessary. |
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 SSX4lifeHello World
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SSX4life
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2008-Jul-9 1:14 pm
Hey Rick meet my friend "spin".... "spin" meet rick, now get acquainted. |
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?
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Re: This was a joint press release....AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slave
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Re: I wonderYes, and Comcast is paying lip service to "playing nice" because they don't want neutrality laws. As long as net neutrality isn't law, they can continue to mildly degrade competing VoIP over their network, just enough to make it annoying, and make deals with VoIP companies to reduce the degradation. |
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Rick5
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by ptrowski:AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year. Not a single one ever had a problem. Do you have any facts to support your rampant speculation? |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?
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ptrowski
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2008-Jul-9 1:37 pm
said by Rick5:said by ptrowski:AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year. Not a single one ever had a problem. Do you just run around making things up or what? Check the Vonage forums here and vongage-forums.com So Comcast just for giggles decides to have this press release with them? Come on. I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". Nice edit of your post, glad I quoted it. Here is just some threads from our Vonage forums... » /nsear ··· s=%2C271 |
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I'm sick of hearing about congestion.Whether thru government subsidies or increased rates, broadband providers need to be forced to increase network capacities. The money they spend on trying to destroy their competition through propaganda could go a long ways towards increasing capacities. The investments need to be made whether willingly or by legilation. There is no reason why network congestion should even be a factor today.
The money needs to be spent on the infrastructure. Lack of capacities need to be a thing of the past so we can get on with letting the Internet be all it can be. It's time to force broadband providers to stop using the excuse of capacity to controll their competition.
I think the entire broadband infrastructure should be nationalized because the current owners can't manage them responsibly. |
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Rick5
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by ptrowski:I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be "check the post of some stranger in a forum". You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks. Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls". Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Re: I wonderI'd have to agree. This is PR, they made some deal with Vonage for the publicity and to get mileage out of it on the lobbying agenda.
So they put Vonage up on a pedestal as an example of their "new" policies.
Course, should they actually win the long term battle (and achieve their agenda- banning net neutrality type regulations) they'll be able to kick that pedestal out from under Vonage (and other Net competitors) at the snap of their fingers. |
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Re: I'm sick of hearing about congestion.And you sounded like you had the right idea before the nationalization thing...
Sometimes I wonder if competition is the problem here, and if a regulated monopoly would be better, though even then I have doubts... But a government-owned monopoly would simply be asking for trouble. |
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2008-Jul-9 1:55 pm
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by Rick5:Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network. |
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Re: I'm sick of hearing about congestion.said by EPS4:But a government-owned monopoly would simply be asking for trouble. ...since they cannot properly manage other things on their plate. |
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Rick5
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2008-Jul-9 1:58 pm
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by FFH5:said by Rick5:Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network. Nice for them. But that hardly addresses the entire premise that Vonage is based on..routing through any network..anywhere..at anytime. If they have quality issues..it's because of that. |
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cruzinmy64
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2008-Jul-9 2:14 pm
Yes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIPYes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIP. I have a rock solid Comcast cable modem with 10mb down / 2mb+ upload and can't manage to make a single VOIP call without either delays, jitter, or the call just "dropping" after a few min. I recently added a cheal DSL line with 4mb down and 384k up and VOIP works perfect - not a single dropped call!!! Comcast should be SHUT DOWN for pulling this BS w/ us. Many others w/ same issue - I am not the only one that had VOIP suck on Comcast EXCEPT *Their* "Comcast Digital Voice" VOIP... Those bast**ds... Think we are that dumb, huh??
People - go for QUALITY not Quantity - avoid Comcrap!!! |
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 Cabal
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Cabal
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2008-Jul-9 2:34 pm
No complaints in the Comcast forum. No issues here with the 5+ providers I use for work testing on Comcast. |
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 dnoyeBFerrous Phallus
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dnoyeB
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2008-Jul-9 2:35 pm
No problemsI have not had a single problem since I upgraded my router. Sounds good as a land line. That was January.
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JasonOD to FFH5
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2008-Jul-9 2:44 pm
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Re: This was a joint press release....My take is Comcast and every other ISP should be able to do whatever the heck they want to their network in order to maximize revenue AND benefit consumers by increasing the value of their products. So in light of the reality that is "best effort" for all consumer ISP offerings, Comcast shouldn't be making concessions to their network like this.
In addition, I can't imagine stockholders will be too happy about about granting special treatment to a company offering a competing product. |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?
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to Rick5
said by Rick5:said by ptrowski:I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be "check the post of some stranger in a forum". You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks. Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls". Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. Come on, let's be serious here. This is a PR stunt trying to show that Comcast has "turned a new leaf". I used Vonage for quite a while and was very active in the vonage-forums. There are cases where people would use Vonage on a Comcast connection that tested "clean" and had issues, and then tried another connection and it was clear. Interstingly enough a crop of issues popped up around the time Comcast was launching CDV. Am I saying they mess with every VoIP call? No. Was there enough evidence that pointed to it? Sure. Remember, Comcast said they never used Sandvine and denied it until they were dragged into the light. This is only a PR stunt, just like when they made their announcement with Bit Torrent. Have a press release, snap a few pictures, look how we are playing nice. Should Vonage become a bit more of a business threat, then they will fall into "reasonable network management". |
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said by Rick5:I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... |
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Re: Yes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIPDude, sounds like you've got a problem with bandwidth hogs on your node. If people would let them manage their network (ie, blasting the crap out of p2p and bittorrent), I'd guess you'd have a much better experience. |
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Cheese to KrK
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2008-Jul-9 2:50 pm
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Re: I wondersaid by KrK:I'd have to agree. This is PR, they made some deal with Vonage for the publicity and to get mileage out of it on the lobbying agenda. So they put Vonage up on a pedestal as an example of their "new" policies. Course, should they actually win the long term battle (and achieve their agenda- banning net neutrality type regulations) they'll be able to kick that pedestal out from under Vonage (and other Net competitors) at the snap of their fingers. I wouldn't call it pulling out the pedestal, more like slashing their throats. |
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by Cod2:said by Rick5:I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... Psssst, it's Koolaid  |
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houghe9
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Comcast today announced an agreement with Vonage that will "address the reasonable network management of Internet services,"
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Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks.
Perhaps you do not see the flaw in your argument. |
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Der_Idiot
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to cruzinmy64
Re: Yes, Comcast DOES mess with 3rd party VOIPYes, shut down the only competition to the phone company. Brilliant.  |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?
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Re: This was a joint press release....said by Cod2:said by Rick5:I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... Yes, his reasoning and sampling of other Comcast afficianados is of course always correct. Comcast HD is flawless, they don't throttle or interfere with VOIP at all, and they love puppies. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
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to ptrowski
Since Comcast typically sells service as 6Mbps and higher, there typically should be very little issue.
I'm on a 3Mbps/512kbps ADSL line (read 2600/420kbps throughput), and I use Skype all the time for conference calls w/o issue. I even use it over a VPN + SSH tunneled + Squid proxy connection (VPN kills local access), and it works fine. |
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ptrowskiGot Helix?
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ptrowski
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2008-Jul-9 3:18 pm
said by en102:Since Comcast typically sells service as 6Mbps and higher, there typically should be very little issue. I'm on a 3Mbps/512kbps ADSL line (read 2600/420kbps throughput), and I use Skype all the time for conference calls w/o issue. I even use it over a VPN + SSH tunneled + Squid proxy connection (VPN kills local access), and it works fine. You can have great speeds, but if the packets are delayed or lost, then you will have poor voice audio. That's why when people say "I have plenty of speed so it should be fine" that is not always the case. To diagnose poor voice I use www.testyourvoip.com vs a speedtest. |
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Exactly, not rocket science people. |
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