 ·magicJack
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Corporate greed is reaching new levels...."Now we will not only cap our direct customers, we will cap what our competition may offer."
Canada must be the testing ground for what is going to happen in the USA and other places. The walls are closing in and caps may begin to bleed over into business connectivity such as T1 / T3/ OCX lines. |
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I'll cancelThat will be it for DSL Service, in fact home internet in general.
I'm not going to live by a cap on a silly antiquated dsl service.
Bell is acting like they installed a state of the art fiber network and now they have to recoup the costs, when in fact we are right where we started in 1998.
Bell you can blow me |
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deadzoned
Premium Member
join:2005-04-13
Cypress, TX
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Brave New WorldUnreasonable caps and throttling coming soon to America!
We are already seeing ISP's dip there toes into this and it looks like it's just the beginning of what is to come. Given all of the different ways we use the Internet, this is going to be a really tough transition for all of us.
I feel really bad for you guys who already have to deal with such things - especially when it's as unreasonable and restrictive as this looks to be!
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Bonkers to backness
Anon
2008-Jul-31 9:33 am
to backness
Re: I'll cancelsaid by backness:Bell is acting like they installed a state of the art fiber network and now they have to recoup the costs, when in fact we are right where we started in 1998. I think more accurately, they're acting like they're about to take on tens of billions of dollars in debt, and need their customers to pay it off for them. I bet none of these extra charges will be used to improve infrastructure. |
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to fatmanskinny
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....It doesn't make any sense. The prices of all services always included the price of bandwidth. Because bandwidth is cheap. 500gigs only costs 50 cents or less.
It just seems ISPs are going to follow the oil model. When you control supply, make it sparse to justify charging a ridiculous price for it. So they purposely don't upgrade anything as they get new customers or when customers start to use what they have been paying for. This allows them to claim networks cannot support it and therefore they need to charge a 1000% increase for bandwidth to conserve their limited resources. But I guess this is what happens when you are under pressure to have a 10% increase in stock price every year no matter if you really grow or not. Profits are meaningless to these companies. It's only about increased profits. And that means raising prices on existing customers to pretend you are experiencing growth. |
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 davidl
join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
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to Bonkers
Re: I'll cancelsaid by Bonkers :said by backness:Bell is acting like they installed a state of the art fiber network and now they have to recoup the costs, when in fact we are right where we started in 1998. I think more accurately, they're acting like they're about to take on tens of billions of dollars in debt, and need their customers to pay it off for them. I bet none of these extra charges will be used to improve infrastructure. More like the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan is looking for a big payoff after their recent acquisition of BCE...don't much like the idea of being squeezed for someone else's cushy pension |
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to insomniac84
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....BS! If you find me 500Gb for 50 cents or less delivered I will buy it right this very minute. |
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prack
join:2003-08-31
Columbus, OH |
prack
Member
2008-Jul-31 10:06 am
Unreasonable Caps...It's high time that communities start looking at wiring themselves (homeowner associations for example) and start buying wholesale. This may not work in Canada but it certainly would work here in the states. I would love to see a progressive city government back bonds where such homeowner associations can do such a thing and pay back the cost over 10 to 15 years. Robert Cringley had an article where he spelled this out and I think it's becoming an attractive alternative to dealing with the current ISP's. This is two years old but so very relevant. » www.pbs.org/cringely/pul ··· 351.html |
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to battleop
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....www.dreamhost.com
5TB of transfers, $5.95/month. That's $.60 cents per 500 GB. Close enough. |
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openbox9
Premium Member
join:2004-01-26
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openbox9
Premium Member
2008-Jul-31 10:49 am
First comparing cost of bandwidth in a datacenter and delivered via the last mile is apples and oranges. Second, have you pushed 5 TB with Dreamhost, because I seriously doubt you ever get 5 TB for $6/mth in a shared hosting plan. |
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to battleop
said by battleop:BS! If you find me 500Gb for 50 cents or less delivered I will buy it right this very minute. Are you saying this was a lie? » Time Warner Cable Using Fine Print To Foist Caps On Customers |
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 nixenRockin' the Boxen
Premium Member
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA |
nixen to prack
Premium Member
2008-Jul-31 11:07 am
to prack
Re: Unreasonable Caps...said by prack:It's high time that communities start looking at wiring themselves (homeowner associations for example) and start buying wholesale. This may not work in Canada but it certainly would work here in the states. I would love to see a progressive city government back bonds where such homeowner associations can do such a thing and pay back the cost over 10 to 15 years. Robert Cringley had an article where he spelled this out and I think it's becoming an attractive alternative to dealing with the current ISP's. This is two years old but so very relevant. » www.pbs.org/cringely/pul ··· 351.html Of course, if they're cap'ing your wholesale connection, it kind of blows that out of the water, too. Gotcha coming and going: nowhere to run... |
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Re: I'll cancelDon't get me started! The school taxes I pay so my mother-in-law can retire on a pension higher than her last year's salary. All her unused sick time and personal time had to be paid - nearly doubling her last year's pay. Her pension was an average of her last five years of work. Guess what? She gets more in pension than she ever did in salary. Whatismore, she continues to get her fantastic health insurance that probably costs the state more than I make in a year. As if not enough, she gets top tier Social Security which is also more than I make in a year.
Underpaid teachers, my ass! Meanwhile, my family of five sits uninsured hopin' nobody gets sick or hurt. |
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Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....said by fatmanskinny:"Now we will not only cap our direct customers, we will cap what our competition may offer." Canada must be the testing ground for what is going to happen in the USA and other places. The walls are closing in and caps may begin to bleed over into business connectivity such as T1 / T3/ OCX lines. Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick. |
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 NOCManMadMacHatter
Premium Member
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO |
to fatmanskinny
We'll part of the problem is that the competitors are using the same network connection as bell at the DSLAM. If the competitors put in alternative backhaul they could bypass bell alltogether.
That's how it's done in the states most of the time AFAIK. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slave
Premium Member
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
Asus RT-AC68
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to munky99999
said by munky99999:Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick. So now they go to caps, with overage fees so ridiculous it would be cheaper to have multiple accounts. I'd much rather have throttling. In fact I have no problem at all with QoS-type limiting during peak demand if it's really needed. |
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davidl
join:2008-07-11
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC |
to Millenniumle
Re: I'll cancelI hear you. The teachers are the ones that are always pushing this socialist worldview...then they go buy the telecoms with their taxpayer funded pension fund and screw us again... |
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Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....said by MrMoody:said by munky99999:Actually throttling already is happening in the USA. The FCC just straightened that shit out though as far as I can tell. They are going to punish comcast for their crap. The other telcos are also going to be cleaning up real quick. So now they go to caps, with overage fees so ridiculous it would be cheaper to have multiple accounts. I'd much rather have throttling. In fact I have no problem at all with QoS-type limiting during peak demand if it's really needed. I'm fine with throttling also if it was indiscriminate. So even those people downloading youtube is shut down to 30kb/s Wholesellers arent throttled at all because they are sold bandwidth. When bell no longer has anyone using their service because of their shitty product... they'd be screwed. |
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 GuspazGuspaz
MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC |
to battleop
It is BS. Cheapest transit you'll find is $4/mbit from Cogent. That comes out to (at 100% utilization) roughly 321GB, or (divide by eight) ~40.2GB per 50 cents. Of course, Bell's network is internal and self-owned, so their costs would be significantly lower than this. |
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happylurk
Anon
2008-Jul-31 1:37 pm
60 Gigs per month???I download more than that in patches for 3 OpenSuSE linux machines every month...  Much as I despise Rogers it may make more sense to switch to Rogers if this comes to pass... |
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 pspcrazyAnime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA |
to openbox9
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....Dreamhost will cut you off at 400 GB's (usually less) or so since they aren't exactly the most honest people. I pay around 5 cents a gb for my datacenter for the first 2 TB's of data then 10 cents overage for everyother gb. It's really really cheap. |
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koreybOpen the Canadian Market NOW
join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON
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koreyb
Member
2008-Jul-31 2:21 pm
CRTCThey would need to push this past the CRTC for approval I think... I doubt they will be able to... at the cost levels Bell will try to impose. But god knows... |
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to karlmarx
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....That's shared bandwidth in a data center. Thanks for playing. Please try again. |
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to insomniac84
That may be the raw cost of bandwidth but it certainly not the cost of delivering that bandwidth. |
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to happylurk
Re: 60 Gigs per month???said by happylurk :I download more than that in patches for 3 OpenSuSE linux machines every month... Much as I despise Rogers it may make more sense to switch to Rogers if this comes to pass... Bad idea rogers is already doing this on top of throttling. |
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Congestion?Like Bell's throttling push, bell claims the move is in order to prevent congestion due to P2P, but Bell has been unable to prove network congestion claims.
The lines are to congested for me to use over 60 GB in a month but have enough room for Bell's video store and their upcoming IPTV plans.
BS |
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openbox9
Premium Member
join:2004-01-26
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to pspcrazy
Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....There's still a huge difference between the cost of bandwidth in a datacenter or a peering point and the last mile broadband connections heading into people's homes. |
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Stojko
Premium Member
join:2007-10-20
St John's NL |
Stojko
Premium Member
2008-Jul-31 9:48 pm
Thanks Bell!...and my sheer hate of Bell just got 2x stronger. |
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Re: Corporate greed is reaching new levels....said by munky99999:I'm fine with throttling also if it was indiscriminate. So even those people downloading youtube is shut down to 30kb/s Wholesellers arent throttled at all because they are sold bandwidth... Youtube isn't a download service but rather a real time streaming video service. Bells wholesalers are throttled. Just read it in the teksaavy forum as well as Acanacs. Get a clue |
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Do the right thing CRTCNo seriously, this is bad for competition and bad for the consumer if it turns out to be true and since our current Conservative overlords have previously stated that they don't want to tell companies how to run their business you pretty much are our only hope to block this. |
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