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Comments on news posted 2008-08-06 09:25:32: Complaints about Hughesnet satellite broadband service have ramped up over the last year or two, with many customers saying they're being throttled back to almost dial-up speeds at peak congestion times, regardless of whether they've violated their b.. ..

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nibs
join:2004-02-12
Ohio

nibs

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Woah

That is some elite pricing there. The daily caps, not so much.

DrModem
Trust Your Doctor
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join:2006-10-19
USA

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DrModem

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That $800 T1 Line

Is looking more affordably equal every day.

MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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join:2005-03-14
Katy, TX

MysticGogeta

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No kidding I would prefer 1.5/1.5 with zero caps then that crap.

meinmd
@verizon.com

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5meg plan for probably $300 a month...no thanks.

And with that $300 a month you get caps, 1200ms latency, horrible tech support and horrible speeds during peak hours.

spewak
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA

spewak

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I am waiting

I am waiting for the SuperElitePremiumPlantinum plan myself!

PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY

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Re: That $800 T1 Line

You know there's a problem when the first five posts have people comparing the rates to a T1 line.
cooldude9919
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said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.
adams_aj
join:2004-08-31
Smithville, MO

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The on-board switching, has the possiblity of cutting that latency, possibly in half.

Also, a lot of you are saying "no thanks". But do realize, that this is only the next best thing to dialup--which is still a lot of folks' only other alternative.

Apophis
Jaffa Kree
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join:2001-12-27
Holmen, WI

Apophis

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To the Fap Even Faster!!

Wow, congrats on hughes for being retarded, now we can all get to the gey-Fap even faster.
PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR

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said by Apophis:

Wow, congrats on hughes for being retarded, now we can all get to the gey-Fap even faster.
Spoken by someone who must have DSL or cable available to them.

And who talks like a 14-year old.

Jim Kirk
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Re: That $800 T1 Line

Sorry, but I'd go with mobile broadband before this. If that wasn't available, I'd still stick with dial-up.

GPSF0L
@cox.net

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So what you're saying is, since they have a monopoly for high-speed, they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see.
nnaarrnn
join:2004-09-30
Charleston, WV

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Yeah, I can provide a t-1 just about anywhere in the state (WV) for around $300.
iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX

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Speed schmeed

I tend to agree.

Granted, Spaceway3 may improve latency a bit (those who are on there please report your latencies...I'm guessing they're in the 500-600ms range?) nut sat internet is still sat internet, and at the rate Hughes is going it's like they want to oversubscribe the bird by a disgusting amount, at which point they can FAP you back down to dialup on your $300-a-month plan.

Granted, 5 Mbit from a satellite is nice, but what about the uploads? Also, it looks like the cost per megabit is $60ish all the way up the line, and you don't even get the full speed if you use the connection at all. Heh, in about 13:20 (minutes:seconds) of solid DL on the 5 Mbit plan, you're FAPped. That's disgusting.

As far as T1's go, if you're using sat, chances are your T1 is gonna be expensive, but if you share it around then it should work out, plus it has a 486 GB cap downstream and a 486 GB cap upstream. Yes, I'm talking about the physical limit of a 1.5/1.5 connection. Really puts thins into perspective, that an $800 T1's cost per GB is less than $1, and that's a non-bulk, low-bandwidth dedicated circuit.

HughesNet's sat service, on the other hand, is a joke. How about giving a 1M symmetric Spaceway3 plan for $100 a month, with a rolling 50GB cap per month? That would be reasonable, or at least halway reasonable, doncha think?

SLD
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Re: I am waiting

And after, SuperDiamondElitePremiumPlantinumPro
Kord
join:2006-10-27

Kord

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Upgrade Now

And for a mere $400.00 we can give you a 9700ARP modem with red blinky lights that does jack to help your connection. And don’t forget about another 5 year contract to get it.

Nightfall
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MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI

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Re: That $800 T1 Line

said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
If HughesNet is your only option for broadband, the T1 line for $800 is a viable option if you have the extra $500-$600 per month. Not many have that just laying around.
Nightfall

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said by cooldude9919:

said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.
If Hughesnet is your option for broadband, odds are you aren't going to get a T1 for $400-$500 a month. People that far out in the sticks are going to get rates around $800 if not more.
yaw
join:2004-05-19
Morgantown, WV

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Really? Residental?

keyboard5684
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Pittsburgh, PA

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Yep, a T1 line, even in my remote area, is about $480 a month. I would certainly take that T1 line over satellite. Plus, the T1 is not going to cap me, latency will be less than 20 ms, I can get almost as many IPs as I want, there just are way more advantages to the T1.

If you are even considering this high tier package, probably because you are rural, consider a T1. The price is more but advantages are far more. Plus, the speeds will actually seem far better than what you get from satellite. Yes, they say 3 megs (5 megs, sorry) but in reality I doubt you will really appreciate it. The "Feeling" on a T1 line while surfing and then sitting on a satellite connection (even VSAT systems) are completely noticeable.

That is another thing. The heading seems to make everyone think there is just HughesNet or WildBlue for satellite broadband, that is not true. If you want to, you can install a VSAT system, use the BGAN network, there area a lot of options usually only used by businesses or people that really travel to places like the jungle, but it is an option which is forgotten. They do not advertise much because
A. They do not need to, they have plenty of customers.
B. Those systems do not want to overload anything like the residential services do.

But still, in most areas (at least here) it makes no difference where you live, a T1 HAS to be run if you order it, and the ILEC HAS to deliver it, part of the negatives to being an ILEC (the ILEC runs the local loop but order from the carrier like ATT or Sprint, or whatever, but the ILEC has to put in that loop)
nnaarrnn
join:2004-09-30
Charleston, WV

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Pretty much anywhere. Now, that's DATA ONLY. We re-sell ntelos T-1s, we handle all the traffic through our routers across our Metro Ethernet fiber. Of course Verizon still owns all the copper, and would have to make a change or two, but there's no difference in copper coming to your home and the copper coming into your business. The only thing that would have to be done, is a pair at the CO be punched down for a digital connection for the smart jack that would have to be installed on your premesis. T-1s these days are pretty much DSL on crack, to get around loop distance limitations. They're not TRUE serial T-1s anymore.
openbox9
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said by GPSF0L :

they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see.
If the limitation of the service capability demands it, yes.

jester121
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Since it's their satellite, YES.

Feel free to build and launch your own satellite and offer whatever you want for $19.99/month.
88615298 (banned)
join:2004-07-28
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If I had to have satelite

I'd rather pay $90 for Wildblue's 1.5 Mbps package. That cap while also low is at least 17000 MB dowload 5000 MB per month. Sure beats Hughesnets' 15000 MB TOTAL cap per 30 days.

I'm sure this new 5 Mbps tier will cost around $250. How do they think REAL people can afford that? I think it's sad I can get 10 Mbps from Charter for $50 and poor souls living a few miles away have to pay outrageous prices for 5 Mbps internet AND have crappy caps.
yaw
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Morgantown, WV

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Re: That $800 T1 Line

I'll have to keep you in mind. thanks.

wifi4milez
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join:2004-08-07
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said by cooldude9919:
said by DrModem:

Is looking more affordably equal every day.
T1's can be had for much less (~$400-$500) depending on your loop distance and if the LEC will even install in a residential address. Get a few neighbors to share and it starts to look pretty decent.
Thats an incorrect statement. T1's can be had some places for $400 to $500, but certainly not all. There are many areas of the country where the loop alone will cost you almost $1000 (or considerably more), IF you can even get a T1 at all. Realistically people buying a $300 a month satellite connection are probably not able to buy "cheap" T1s, otherwise many would.
WVBill
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Hmmm - very interesting. OK, so I live outside of Summit Point, WV. Frontier is my telephone company. The CO is in Charles Town - about 8 miles away (the way the crow flies) so I can't get them to provide DSL.
Way outside the range of any 3g broadband.

Can you run a T1 to my house? How much? Seriously.

I live in a small subdivision of 10 homes. If I could set up a WiFi hot spot off my T1 and split the cost of the T1 (Let's say $500?), we could do lots better than Hughesnet.

Is this dreaming or a real possibility?

WVBill
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Re: If I had to have satelite

From what I've read recently, Wild Blue is having capacity problems of their own.

I had Hughesnet when it was DirecWay. The service started off ok, but after a year it was garbage. As soon as my contract was up, I dumped it for Verizon Wireless EVDO. Now I can actually do useful things like connect to my company's VPN (can't do that with satellite...not reliably anyway).

Of course I'm especially bitter because I'm too far for DSL and the only reason I don't have cable is they refuse to service my part of the street. It's only 1/2 mile away on one side of my home, and 1/4 mile away the other. My neighbors and I even signed a letter/petition stating we would gladly pay for the cable, but they simply ignore us. Not even the courtesy of a rejection letter. I won't even start about FiOS and Verizon's cherry-picking. Just keep giving more service to those who already have it and continue to ignore the areas you have ignored. That's fine.

yeah. I'm bitter.

netwire
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It's crazy man...

The prices they are charging do not meet the service they are supplying. I do understand however, that some people who have no other option would be more than happy to splurge (if the can) on service like this. To be honest with you, back before I discovered EVDO in my area I most likely would have thought about forking over that kind of cash seeing I do not have DSL or Cable in my area. I think the money would be better spent forcing telco's to expand their network to more rural areas.
88615298 (banned)
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Re: If I had to have satelite

said by jc1350:

From what I've read recently, Wild Blue is having capacity problems of their own.
Not sure how that can be since they launched their own new satelite no too long ago and they says they now have capacity for 640,000 customers.
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