Canadian Chat → Re: Western seperation?

And I didn't vote Conservative because:

I believe in Kyoto and doing everything we can to better the environment.

I don't believe in forging any closer ties with the country south of the border - we've already sold out to them enough.

I don't believe in privatized health care of any sort.

I believe that if two people love each other they should not be denied the benefits of state just because they are of the same sex.

I believe that our country should become more socialized than it already is.

I still don't understand why Albertans feel that the feds have failed them. I don't feel the feds have failed Mantiobans.

As for family values and commitment to the community - that is an individuals choice - not a government mandate.

I have no comment about an elected senate or elected head of state but that does sound like something they have down south of us so if it's something like their system then I don't like it.

And while we would all like the GST eliminated, it's far better than having a hidden tax applied to everything.

I don't own any guns so the the Gun Registry has no bearing on me what so ever so I don't care if it's there or not.

I do believe that more federal money needs to be funneled into the arts, amateur sports, education, and most importantly - the environment.

So while we may share some of the same beliefs, mine do not fall in line with the Conservative party thinking and thus, I didn't vote for them. That, and the fact that Stephen Harper gives me the willies.

V950. Thank U for your reply. I honestly don't understand why Harper gives you the willies. I am assuming it is his looks as I will assume you've never met or talked to him.

Did you watch the CBC National debates.? Consensus is Harper appeared to come across the best. Martin flupped the debates and appeared to be lacking confidence or structure to his agruements.

said by darkeans:

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Martin flupped the debates and appeared to be lacking confidence or structure to his agruements.

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Just because he's a liar and a Moron!!

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V950. Thank U for your reply. I honestly don't understand why Harper gives you the willies. I am assuming it is his looks as I will assume you've never met or talked to him.

Did you watch the CBC National debates.? Consensus is Harper appeared to come across the best. Martin flupped the debates and appeared to be lacking confidence or structure to his agruements.

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No, it's not his looks, it's just his aura. No, I have never met the man nor talked to him. It's just a dark feeling I get from him.

Funny thing is, I don't get the dark feeling from Bush and he's much scarier all around.

No, I did not watch the debates as they were on before 10:00pm and I don't usually watch TV before then. But even if I had it wouldn't have made a difference on how I choose to vote - there was just too much in the Conservative platform that I disagreed with.

Problem that I have with all the party leaders is that they lacked charisma - something I feel is necessary for a leader of quality.

Belinda has charisma out the wazoo which is why I was disappointed she didn't become party leader. I may have actually paid attention to the election and potentially switched alliance if she had been (and no, her being from Ontario would not have made a difference to me).

Guess I'm just tired of our political system being run by a bunch of old boys who really haven't a clue as to what it will take to move our country into the 21st century and become a primary player on the world stage (not just the US's ball boy).

said by Vendetta950:

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said by darkeans:

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V950. Thank U for your reply. I honestly don't understand why Harper gives you the willies. I am assuming it is his looks as I will assume you've never met or talked to him.

Did you watch the CBC National debates.? Consensus is Harper appeared to come across the best. Martin flupped the debates and appeared to be lacking confidence or structure to his agruements.

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No, it's not his looks, it's just his aura. No, I have never met the man nor talked to him. It's just a dark feeling I get from him.

Funny thing is, I don't get the dark feeling from Bush and he's much scarier all around.

No, I did not watch the debates as they were on before 10:00pm and I don't usually watch TV before then. But even if I had it wouldn't have made a difference on how I choose to vote - there was just too much in the Conservative platform that I disagreed with.

Problem that I have with all the party leaders is that they lacked charisma - something I feel is necessary for a leader of quality.

Belinda has charisma out the wazoo which is why I was disappointed she didn't become party leader. I may have actually paid attention to the election and potentially switched alliance if she had been (and no, her being from Ontario would not have made a difference to me).

Guess I'm just tired of our political system being run by a bunch of old boys who really haven't a clue as to what it will take to move our country into the 21st century and become a primary player on the world stage (not just the US's ball boy).

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Make no mistake, Belina running Magna definitely qualifies her as an old boy. She runs with the big dogs in the commercial circle; for once I would like to see a middle class person be PM, might make them more in touch with reality.

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Make no mistake, Belina running Magna definitely qualifies her as an old boy. She runs with the big dogs in the commercial circle; for once I would like to see a middle class person be PM, might make them more in touch with reality.

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Yes, she does run Magna and that does put her in play with the Corporate old boys but she does have two things going for her:

She's a She.
She's under 40.

You'll never see a middle class person as PM because it costs too much money to run a campaign to become PM in the first place. If you have that much money then you certainly are no longer middle class.

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said by FishPants:

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Make no mistake, Belina running Magna definitely qualifies her as an old boy. She runs with the big dogs in the commercial circle; for once I would like to see a middle class person be PM, might make them more in touch with reality.

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Yes, she does run Magna and that does put her in play with the Corporate old boys but she does have two things going for her:

She's a She.
She's under 40.

You'll never see a middle class person as PM because it costs too much money to run a campaign to become PM in the first place. If you have that much money then you certainly are no longer middle class.

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Still though being in that "arena" makes her more susceptible to corruption IMHO. After working in a corporate role for 8 years, I think I can safely say that with some degree of certainty. The people in corporate life can be pure evil on account of money (not all, but the higher up you are it seems the more greedy you become).

I thought campaigns were in fact paid out of party coffers? I didn't think the people running for PM paid out of their own pockets..?

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said by FishPants:

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Make no mistake, Belina running Magna definitely qualifies her as an old boy. She runs with the big dogs in the commercial circle; for once I would like to see a middle class person be PM, might make them more in touch with reality.

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Yes, she does run Magna and that does put her in play with the Corporate old boys but she does have two things going for her:

She's a She.
She's under 40.

You'll never see a middle class person as PM because it costs too much money to run a campaign to become PM in the first place. If you have that much money then you certainly are no longer middle class.

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I hope I misunderstood this posting about "it would've been better had Belinda been the Conservative leader" and "it would be nice to see a middle class PM", because as young, non-male or anything else that Belinda might be, she is faaaaaar from middle class.

I think Harper's roots are closer to middle class then Stronach's. Isn't her family one of the richest in Canada and one of the original architects of NAFTA.?