Topic 'Re: RJ 11 Question' in forum 'Verizon DSL' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533181 en Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:12:32 EDT Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:12:32 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12592374 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12592374 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:17:10 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12592112
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I was looking for pictures of the phone lines to prove a point, but this was the only picture I found. But those wires don't look twisted, unless you're referring to a very slight twist, like one twist per 6 inches or something, unlike the CAT5 rating which has pretty tightly twisted pairs.

Ryan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12592112 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:42:50 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591934 First, I wonder if you are confusing stranded wire which has each conductor twisted vs twisted pair.

My prior home in Illinois which was built in 1976 and pre-wired by the phone company was wired with 6 twisted pair which I believe was CAT3.

My current home in Florida (a townhouse) which built in 1993 is wired with 3 twisted pair and CAT3 is printed on the cable. Unfortunately the wiring from the pedestal to my unit is not outdoor rated and the outer covering has cracked open where the wire goes into the PVC tubing for my unit and all of my neighbors.
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Jim Anderson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591934 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:20:11 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591832 Audio wire, though strand, is not twisted.

I have been an installer, repairman and foreman for 35 years. I have never seen untwisted telephone wire. And I have seen installations from the 20s and 30s. The common name we called the 1 pair wiring installed throgh the 50 was TI for Twisted Inside wire.

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support the Hunley]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591832 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:07:34 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591673
I've done alot of computer consulting over the years, and when Verizon used to come out to install DSL before the self-install days, they would bring a spool of phone wire in a box, the nice thick stuff, but it wasn't twisted either. That's what they used to wire the new jack for the DSL modem. I think that was 6 pair.

That deal about the cable splicer makes sense, though. Now see, I understand the whole thing about the crosstalk, and I've always wondered why crosstalk wasn't a bigger issue with large bundles of 50 pairs or more running parallel for 15,000 feet but if it's twisted for the majority of the route, and that's what I think I'm hearing from you, then that would explain it. But what I'm saying is in all the years I've done phone-related work, the lines inside the building have almost never been twisted that I've seen, even with the 25-pair and 50-pair bundles. And I'm also reinforcing my original statement that the DSL modem's jumper to the phone jack need not necessarily be twisted pair. My current DSL modem didn't come with a twisted-pair phone cable either, and it works fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591673 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:49:30 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591459
If you see color coding like that, the cable has twisted pairs.
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"Most people don't like me..fact is, I don't like most people..but I'm good at what I do" Dr.Robert(Rocket)Romano..ER]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591364 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:06:39 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591270 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591270 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:50:54 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591081 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12591081 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:25:27 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12589320
Do not reboot the modem, as that would clear the stats you're trying to look at.

I think you can do it without rewiring by setting the router's IP address to a fixed address in the 192.168.1.x range.
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Pres. Bush on Osama bin Laden, March 13, 2002]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12589320 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:04:20 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588998 said by bobcat:
Did you check the modem's status page to see what rate it's synced at?
Can you tell me how to do that? i have a westell 2200. It's attached to a wireless router (linksys befw11s4). I know how to look at the router's configuration, but not the modem's (maybe i can't see the modem behind the router, but even without the router i wouldn't know how to do it.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588998 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:20:43 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588221
just because a wire isnt called CAT5, it doesnt mean that its not twisted.

Your phone wire is cat3. While some contractors do use cheap wire, most nowadays use Cat5. EVen so, all the telco wiring is TWISTED!!!

And trust me on this one, the multiline cables that run to the CO are twisted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588221 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:26:13 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588177
A few feet of untwisted wiring isn't going to contribute to the slowdown that the OP is having. Sure using twisted pair is best, but isn't necessary especially for just troubleshooting purposes.

The best thing to do to determine if it's your problem or their problem is to hook your modem up directly to the test jack in your NID using as short of cable as possible. If you still have the problem, it's either the modem or their end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588177 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:20:15 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588002 --
"Most people don't like me..fact is, I don't like most people..but I'm good at what I do" Dr.Robert(Rocket)Romano..ER]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12588002 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:48:53 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12587436 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12587436 Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:57:29 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12584935
Ryan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12584935 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 21:50:57 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12584074 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12584074 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:09:57 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583995 said by xyar:

The phone lines in your wall are not twisted, Yes they are.

said by xyar:

and neither are the lines going from the NID outside your house/apartment to the local CO.
Yes they are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583995 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:02:03 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583136
Ryan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583136 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:14:16 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583112
Ryan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12583112 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:11:03 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12540832 --
"Most people don't like me..fact is, I don't like most people..but I'm good at what I do" Dr.Robert(Rocket)Romano..ER]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12540832 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:57:24 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12540283
As of 11:30 am I am getting 2845/663, that's more like it !
but I'm sure tonight it will drop again.

I was reading the post on the NYC slow downs, I wonder if I'm effected being on LI ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12540283 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:48:53 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12536519
Connect your modem at the NID and see what rate it syncs at there.
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Pres. Bush on Osama bin Laden, March 13, 2002]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12536519 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:48:45 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12535631 In 48 hrs I go back to OOL!

Thanks all]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12535631 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:09:53 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12535412
You could try disconnecting everything, cycling power on your modem, and seeing what speed you get. Check the modem's diagnostic page to see what speed it's syncing at.
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This DSL service was turned on last Monday, it's funny how I had close to the 3.0 mbs up until the weekend when the system gets loaded up. I canceled OOL because of that but I'm figuring out now that Verizon is worse.
I regret canceling OOL so soon!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12535298 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:36:00 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12534664 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12534664 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:27:22 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533862 --
"I truly am not that concerned about him."
Pres. Bush on Osama bin Laden, March 13, 2002]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533862 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:02:02 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533783 I told them that the speed reduction started 2 days ago until I found the router cutting in and out when I jiggled the RJ-11 wire. The tech said to use a standard phone wire, so I installed an 8' wire and found no difference in speed. The tech
said everything on Verizon's end looks ok, could be a hardware problem.
I will get to Radioshack tomorrow and pick up the proper RJ-11 and see what that gets me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533783 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:51:37 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533544 --
Jim Anderson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533544 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:21:54 EDT Re: RJ 11 Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-RJ-11-Question-12533282 --
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