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no you "don't have your stuff" , whatever that means, tivo doesn't download anything and it doesn't remove any commercials

Really?

In this day & age of electronic media & multimedia, wouldn't you consider DOWNLOADING to be defined as: the the transmission and storage of electronic data from a remote location to a local location?

This is how we 'download' data from the internet (websites, p2p, ftp, etc.); we receive the data from a remote computer(s) and store it on the hard drive of our own computer.

Isn't this what we are doing with DVR units (Tivo, Comcast DVR, DirecTV Tivo, etc.)?

Our DVR units receive data (audio/video in a digital format) from a remote location (the cable head-end or a DirecTV satellite) and store it on a local hard drive (inside of the DVR unit).

If it were only a standard cable box or satellite receiver, we would only be streaming data; but since it is being saved to a DVR unit's hard drive it is actually being downloaded since it can be viewed, copied, or manipulated at a later date.

So saying that, is in fact a false statement.

no, tivo records an analog source only, doesn't do anything with digital, and DOES NOT DOWNLOAD VIDEO, and if it did it wouldn't download pirated stuff anyway

Really?? Most of my friends who have Tivo boxes have the ones that are integrated into a DirecTV receiver. I don't remember DirecTV transmitting any data in an analog format, I thought DirecTV feeds were digital. I forgot about the stand-alone Tivo units not having any form of digital inputs on them.Again I ask the same question: "Really?". Re-read my definition of DOWNLOADING in my previous post. All that i said was that the act of my Comcast DVR saving a movie or tv show to it's internal hard drive should be considered downloading, in the truest form of the definition: storing a local copy of data transmitted & saved from a remote location.

I said nothing about DVR units downloading "pirated stuff", all that I said was that a DVR unit (like my Comcast 6412 DVR box) is receiving & saving data (video/audio) from a remote location (Comcast's head-end or broadcast facilities).

BTW, Comcast DVR's are capable of downloading (receiving & saving video/audio) from the Comcast broadcast facilities (the remote location) in a DIGITAL format. The Comcast 6412 DVR unit is a combination dual-tuner analog/digital/HD cable set-top box with an integrated hard drive based DVR.

So, I apologize for inferring that your DVR unit(Tivo) was capable of receiving & saving video/audio in a digital format. I'm just used to what's offered to me by my DVR unit.

"Our DVR units receive data (audio/video in a digital format)"

Receiving data in a digital format IS downloading. Picking up an MP3 from Kazaa and the like is receiving data (audio in digital format). The reason Tivo isn't a problem with broadcasters is the timeshift ruling on fair use so it's immaterial how they do it.

what other units do is irrelevent, the argument started with p2pliterz saying that I personally was downloading with tivo, this has nothing to do with a dvr on comcast or directivo, i don't have those.

Sorry, I thought the idea of the forums on this site was for a free exchange of ideas and opinions, as long as they pertain to point of the initial postingAgain, Sorry. I was just trying to make a point by making the discussion applicable to owners of any DVR unit, not just the portion of those users that have Tivos.

As a few mods have said in other forums on this site, the forums are for any visitor here to post information they feel is relevant to the topic at hand; if the discussion is so closed that others can't post their opinions, than take the discussion to either IMs or email.