Verizon DSL → How do I network two computers for verizon dsl?

I have two computers, one's windows 2k and the other's 98. I also have verizon dsl. I heard that I can hook up both computers to the dsl modem using a hub. Can anyone help me out tell me which hub i should get and what software or configurations i need to do to get both computers online at the same time? Thanks for your time.

reg, I would suggest against the hub for two reasons:

One. You would be in breach of your TOC with Verizon

Two. You would be much better off with a Linksys Router with a 4 port switch for the same price as a decent hub, and you'll get a 10/100 switch to boot, AND a decent router for the price!
(Though if you are stuck on buying a hub we can help you with that as well)

forget the TOC hehe. Router is 99 bucks and hub is 40 bucks. I'm sticking to the hub. Now which hub would work?

You should at least buy a 10/100 hub, I guess since you know prices, you already have one in mind. There really aren't a whole lot of differences in hubs in that price range, but you will need to have NICs in both machines, and obviously some Cat5 cable, you will also need a cross-connect cable to hook up to the hub from the modem. unless you buys a hub with an Uplink port, though for the money you prolly won't get that. As far the software and configs, it's not really that hard. You need to install the Verizon software on both machines, and the login (account name you use) remains the same. Be warned, if they catch you, they will cancel your service without warning and you can't even be mad cuz they can sue you.

for more and better info on all of this, check this out:
»/forum ··· ode=flat

thanks for your help man.

You don't need a 10/100base-T hub. A 10base-T hub will work just fine, and a 4-port should cost $10 to $20.

Step-by-step:
1. Attach modem to hub uplink port, or to any port with a cross-over ethernet cable.

2. Attach computers to hub vie straight ("regular") ethernet cable.

3. Install your favourite PPPoE dialer (WinPOEt, RASPPPoE, etc.) on both computers.

4. Sync up modem, and connect with software on both machines using username and password.

Aforementioned warnings apply...

Thanks for making it clearer, sechs. So all i need is 1) 10Base-T Hub with 4 ports. 2) Two Cat5 Cables for the two computers 3) cross-over cable. Now, is this hub ok? »www.compusa.com/products ··· 50022667 And I do not need anything else like a router right?

As far as I know verizon will only let one computer user to connect at the same time. Really only 1 ip adress.
If you get a router it only sees the router nothing else.
only one ip adress. if you go with the hub it will need alot of tinkering but it can be done
have fun connecting , unless you konw what you r doing.

said by regginoy:

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Thanks for making it clearer, sechs. So all i need is 1) 10Base-T Hub with 4 ports. 2) Two Cat5 Cables for the two computers 3) cross-over cable. Now, is this hub ok? »www.compusa.com/products ··· 50022667 And I do not need anything else like a router right?

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You only need three ports, but I've never seen a three-port hub.

You only need the cross-over cable if the hub doesn't have an uplink port.

The hub that you linked should work, but is a bit overkill. I found 4-port 10base-T hubs on »www.pricewatch.com for $15 plus shipping.

And just a reminder... this is against the TOS.

hello,

I see a lot of people always saying its against Verizon's TOS if you use a hub. Thats true to an extent. If you share a single IP for multiple computers thats fine. But while we're on this subject, I have it set up the that way right now..

3com's Home Connect Ethernet kit [2 ethernet cards, 2 cat5's, and a 5 port 100/10Mbps hub with an uplink port] connected to Verizon's Westell modem and 3 other computers connected to the hub as well. BUT only ONE logs on and gets the IP while using ICS to share the line.

I have a question though for anyone who may know.. I play some multiplayer online games (mainly Diablo 2 and Age of Empires 2) and it so happens I can either play online or play on the network but not both (having a game with both online and networked players. I suppose its some ip conflicting issues when 2 networked computer share the same online ip) If only I can log in with multiple users then I guess my problems would be all solved. But since Verizon does not allow more than 1 IP, I was wondering if there was a way I can work around this and get it working.

stop scaring me with the TOS thing. Has anyone ever been caught before? routers are 100 bucks. now that's overkill.

said by regginoy:

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stop scaring me with the TOS thing. Has anyone ever been caught before? routers are 100 bucks. now that's overkill.

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We don't encourage breaking contracts. That's all. The risk is you, and not us...

If you happen to have one of the Westell modems, you can use Webshare to convert your modem to a simple router. I think it's still $20, and you wouldn't be breaking your TOS.

Something else to consider even if you chose to violate the TOS.

Since each machine will have its own PPPoE connection file transfers between machines will use your DSL connection, not the LAN connection. This is a performance and security issue. If you enable file and print sharing both will be visible on the Internet. In effect you do not have a LAN, just a splitter to the Internet.

You should also install firewall software on each machine since they are directly accessible from the Internet.

errr ok thanks u ppl. I scared to network the computers now.

regginoy, just to clear things up, I went to the verizon site just now at:

»www.bellatlantic.net/inf ··· multiple

This is what you should see:

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Can I connect multiple PCs or a LAN to my DSL service?

Users may connect multiple PCs on their own or use a LAN with their DSL connection. However, Verizon Online neither provides the special configuration and equipment which may be required for this type of connection nor offers technical support for multiple connections. Verizon Online does plan to offer a home LAN product later this year.

Verizon Online customers may use only one IP address per DSL line regardless of how many computers are connected. Using additional IP addresses constitutes a violation of the Terms of Service and may result in a temporary or permanent suspension of your DSL service.

For LAN support, you should contact your network administrator or LAN support professional.

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Now my question is once again if anyones reading.. how do I play multiplayer games online with BOTH online and networked players since networked players are sharing the same IP using ICS?

said by JackyC313:

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Now my question is once again if anyones reading.. how do I play multiplayer games online with BOTH online and networked players since networked players are sharing the same IP using ICS?

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Is the server inside or outside the LAN? If it's outside, you're more or less up the creek, because they probably all need to use the same WAN port. If it's inside, then you just need to configure then LAN computers to use the LAN IP.

What games are you trying to play?

said by sechs:

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Is the server inside or outside the LAN? If it's outside, you're more or less up the creek, because they probably all need to use the same WAN port. If it's inside, then you just need to configure then LAN computers to use the LAN IP.

What games are you trying to play?

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If its exclusively online (online players and ONLY me) or exclusively on the LAN, then theres no problem. But like I said, the thing is, I want to play a game with BOTH online and LAN players. So therefore, I'd be using the online IP not the LAN IP. At this point, it doesnt matter where the the game is hosted anymore on my end or on someone else(not of my network). As long as everyone can play, Im happy .

I play mainly Diablo 2: LOD expansion and Age of Empires 2: Conquers' expansion. For Diablo 2, I find I can play when someone else is hosting, but when anyone on my network is hosting, it will not work (online users will not be able to join and Im sure Im giving out the right IP). And as for AOE, nothing works (besides having one other person using a 56k modem on the free phoneline heh .

Once again, I have :

• I have 3 PCs connected to a hub.
  
• The uplink port connected to the DSL modem
  
• and Im running ICS so the other 2 computers are sharing the connection on my PC (ONE IP ).
  
• Yes I have firewalls installed on all machines (Zone Alarm) which I have tried turning off in case of any blocked data.
  

By the way, whats a "WAN Port". Im still only a novice in networking. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks ^_^

I was wondering, Will the speed cut in half if 2 computer are using at a same time? Cause i think im gonna set one up soon.

Thanks

said by Sephiroth86:

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I was wondering, Will the speed cut in half if 2 computer are using at a same time? Cause i think im gonna set one up soon.

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Not necessarily exactly in half...In fact you might not notice any speed decrease depending on what you are doing. For example, if you are downloading a file, that would use quite a bit of your bandwidth and your speeds will suffer accordingly on the second computer. If you are just surfing, then you probably will have bandwidth to spare and you will hardly notice the difference if two computers are online at the same time.
Hope this doesn't confuse the issue...

To play multiplayer games online, u need to set ur WAN as IP attached on LAN and then enter the IP of that computer ur playing on. Also, set ur default port as ur IP. That should enable one computer to play multiplayer games online but I dont think u can have more than one on the same IP.

said by RUTER:

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To play multiplayer games online, u need to set ur WAN as IP attached on LAN and then enter the IP of that computer ur playing on. Also, set ur default port as ur IP. That should enable one computer to play multiplayer games online but I dont think u can have more than one on the same IP.

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Well the thing is Im ONLY having a problem playing with more than one computer on my network online. Alone, I have no problem (whether it is EXCLUSIVLY on my network or EXCLUSIVLY online) and do not need to change any settings. I have yet to understand what the WAN IP is tho. Im beginning to think its what I call the "outside" or "online" IP? But thanks anyway!

Spaceman_Sniff...Have you actually read Verizon's TOS? Here's a quote from a section that concerns multiple PCs

Quote from Verizon Terms of Service:
2.3 You may only use your account for one log-on session per connection type at a time. You may not use more than one IP address for each log-on session. DSL customers may connect multiple PCs within a single location to their DSL line and access Verizon through a single DSL account and a single IP address.

Here's a link to the entire document
»home.verizon.net/Root/He ··· tos.html

So, I can connect 100 PCs to my Verizon DSL. As long as I use one log in, one IP, and don't sell it to everyone in my neighborhood. Of course 100 PCs would kill my bandwidth, but the point is, only Cable providers traditionally limit the amount of PCs you can connect. That's because your DL/UL speeds are capped at the network node, and everyone in your neighborhood access that node. DSL caps you at the DSLAM in the CO. So your phone number is your phone number and they limit you direct.
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Whoops,

didn't see that Jackie beat me to the TOS contract.

said by flashlites:

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Whoops,

didn't see that Jackie beat me to the TOS contract.

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Double whoops... the names Jacky with a Y

Sorry Jacky

that wouldn't work jacky cause your CAT5 won't stretch for more than 100ft

Hi
My recommendation would be a SMC Barricade router -- 4 ports would be sufficient. By using a router (a switch) instead of a hub, your bandwidth would remain consistent for all the computers on line with the additional advantage of the Barricade acting as a fire wall, and I believe, that all addresses are internal, consequently you would be in compliance with Verizon's rules. I have had an SMC 8 port Barricade in use for approximately 7 months and can't speak highly enough about its performance or their service. In setting up your barricade, should you have any problem, simply contact SMC on a 24/7 basis and your questions will always be answered by a KNOWLEDGEABLE (not like verizon's) and courteous tech rep. Set up is a breeze with a Barricade tech rep and bandwidth is never a problem with multiple computers being used at the same time. Hope this has been helpful.
****I have no conection in any way with SMC ***
Verizon's upper tier techies have told me that the real problem with the routers is that they (Verizon) don't have skilled personnel to handle the service problems at the first tier, and more alarming are lacking in management that has the ability to create systems to allow current tech reps (tier 1) to handle additional issues, such as networking, and routers.

said by g0alun:

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that wouldn't work jacky cause your CAT5 won't stretch for more than 100ft

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What exactly wouldnt work. I made more than one post in this thread. Im assuming you're talking about the hub solution? Yes it WOULD work since Im proof. Personallu I used a hub because I had it to begin with so I didnt want to run out and buy anything extra when I can use what I had already.

I've been using this set up for a little over half a year now. Distance on the other hand is a WHOLE other issue but it works! Im not sure exactly what the limits are with CAT5's (100 feet I assume since thats what you said) but since my 3 computers are within 20-50 feet of each other, I have no problem.

Im am still unclear as to how a router can be so much better than a hub. So far the advantages that I know of are...

• No one computer needs to be on to share the connection.
  
• An extra added firewall feature (but zonealarm installed on each computer seems to do just as well.
  

Another thing catalog wiz brought up which Im not sure about.

said by catalogwiz:

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By using a router (a switch) instead of a hub, your bandwidth would remain consistent for all the computers on line with the additional advantage of the Barricade acting as a fire wall, and I believe, that all addresses are internal, consequently you would be in compliance with Verizon's rules.

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Consistent? How exactly? Would the bandwidth be divided evenly between each computer so that there would be a cap that would be less than the maximum bandwidth? Cuz with a hub, Im pretty sure each client would try to use the maximum cap.

A router by itself does not guarantee constant bandwidth to each of your PCs. All a router is is a network device that accepts data packets from one side of a network and intelligently routes those packets to a destination on the other side of the device. Most routers also provide a mechanism for "filtering" the data and for directing traffic to specific destinations based on source address, destination port, etc.

Many home broadband routers include multiple port ethernet switches for connection of your networked PCs. A switch has many advantages over a hub - the greatest of which is that each switch port will guarantee the maximum available bandwidth to the PC connected to that port. In a hubed ethernet environment, each connected PC is sharing a single logical piece of wire, and in reality only one can talk at a time - much like a telco party line. Hubed networks suffer from collisions when more than one device tries to talk at the same time. Switches eliminate the collision problem.

As to your issue of networking your PCs and compliance with the Verizon TOS - I would strongly encourage you to invest in a router/switch combination. These can be found for around $90 and up.

The SMC (mentioned earlier in this thread) is a solid and reliable device. I have a Netgear RT314, which is inexpensive and very solid. I have installed several SMC's and Netgears for clients and have not encountered problems with either of these.

I don't want to create a flame war here, but I would NOT recommend the Linksys routers. I have encountered reliability and stability problems with these routers on several occasions. I have nothing against Linksys products, and I am not in any way connected with SMC or Netgear. I have numerous Linksys NICs, hubs, and switches for clients -it's just that I have had bad luck with their broadband routers.