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<description><![CDATA[INsIdIous16 posted :    There are two distinct version of Islam ill use here. Extremeist and moderate.  Neither version is very happy with the Isreali Situation.  The moderates however are willing to use diplomacy to solve their problems.  The Extremist will use terror.  In the last decade the extremist have activly started recruiting more people to their cause.  And it is starting to undermine credible Islamic governments.  Pakistan, India, Suadi, Jordan, Syrian, Algeria. chechnya, Uzbekistan.  This is why many of these governments are supportive of us in this.  They see the train coming down the track.  10 years from now many of these governments will have fallen to the extremist.<br>  I find it Ironic that the taliban urge us not to attack because their people are allready in so much misery.  Why is that???  Could it be their leadership??  Their style of government is so restrictive and oppressive it makes communism look like a joke.<br>   And I also fail to understand their thoughts that they have to shelter Osama because of his help in driving the soviets out of afghanistan.  We supplied the weapons and other support that finally turned the tide against the soviets.  Where is the gratitude to us???  There will be none.  Just as Hitler had to unite his people behind a common enemy. They need the same unity against a common enemy.  Due to the spectacular success of the attack on New York and Washington Osama is now the defacto leader of the radical Islamics.  He will now have more recruits than ever.  He will now be able to start assimilating some of the moderate Islamic states.  And if we kill him he will be a matyr for all time.  It is a sickening thought but probably true.  He has won.   All the bombs and troops wont change that fact.  Our best hope is to change our policy and take a pge from the Isreali playbook.  Kill these groups wherever we find them.  In other words we are going to be perpetually cleaning the weeds out of our nice green yard we enjoy so much.  No matter how many times we pull the weeds up, More will grow.  But as any gardner will tell you.  with proper preperation and attention to maintenance it is entirely possible to have a very enjoyable yard.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:25:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FutureMon posted : What do you think about the thought that this is happening *because* of Bush Jr.  The Arab nations that daddy went after obviously would have a bone to pick with sonny boy.<br><br>- FM]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:45:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Nimbuz posted : Yes, use wisdom, not force, to demonstrate who is the wise one.<br>Human force, such as war, would invite more evil that cannot kill evil.<br>Natural force, such as Florida storm, has left half-a-million without power.<br><br>Also, Saddam said that "America needs wisdom, not force. <br>It had used force, along with the West, to its extreme extent, <br>only to find out later that it did not achieve what they wanted."<br><br>There is much to say in which I am limited to say on this forum<br>So, all I can say is that: All Americans are not the same.<br>May this peace be restore with wisdom, which is too late for now!<br><br><i>[text was edited by author 2001-09-15 17:25:00]</i><br>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:22:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : Agreed.<br><br>I don't need the information to be polished, just semi accurate.  There was, in the example I cited, no reason to bloat the guestimate of number of dead to 10,000 on Tuesday and to 20,000 on Wednesday until they got a number of  5000 from NYC mayor later.  This kind of reporting is only slightly better then what is to be found in the National Enquirer<br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:56:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : So do we agree that the problem is irresponsible, inaccurate reporting and not that the media is controlled by some third party who is deliberately disseminating lies?<br><br>I still say that the live reporting from the thick of the disaster could never be expected to be polished and accurate -- it is raw information.  But phoned-in tips from unnamed "sources" should definitely be verified before they are aired.  <br><br>I find the press conferences to be downright humorous.  Some of the questions that those reporters ask are absolutely off the wall.  It's like they wrote down a list of questions to ask before it started, and they are bound and determined to ask those questions no matter what was said in the opening statement.  How many times did the President's press secretary have to say that he wasn't going to discuss this subject or that subject before the reporters figured it out and stopped asking questions about the subject in question?  They basically wasted their opportunity to ask a question by asking a stupid question.  So yes, there is a such thing as a stupid question, and it usually comes out of a reporter's mouth.  :)<br><br>My favorite "stupid statement" was when they found the car with the Arabic flight manuals in it.  One reporter said, [paraphrased, but close] "It is stupid to think that this is related to the hijackings.  Why would someone who is going to hijack a plane bring flight manuals with them in their car?"  Heeelllooo?  Who else do you think <B>would</B> carry Arabic flight manuals in their car?  They obviously wanted the information fresh in their minds before the flight.  <br><br>But wait, maybe it was all a big conspiracy to make it <I>look</I> like the Islamics did it.  What if a bunch of Israeli "terrorists" planted all of the evidence that we've been finding, and dressed up as Islamics just so we would wage war on Israel's enemies?  Of course! That's it...the Iranian paper was right after all!  ;)  {I probably shouldn't even post that because some reporter might find it and run with it.}<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:50:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : Obviously we need to INTERPRET what it is they're saying, but that doesn't change the growing inaccuracy and more appropriately characterized as irresponsibility of todays TV media.<br><br>As far as credibility goes, the percentage is dropping every day, you would have thought the talking heads would have learned some kind of lesson in this regard at the elections less then a year ago but I guess not.<br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:23:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : I have agreed with you that the media is inaccurate.  The reason for this is a lack of standards (controls).  If there was a tighter control that said no news would be run until sources and data were verified, then it would be more accurate, but it would also be more controlled.  The only people who control the reporters are the news producers and directors.  Yes, they are "controlled" in a sense by a desire to win awards and recognition for being the first to break a story.  But control by desire (greed) is not the same as government control and deliberate misinformation like Iran, Iraq, et. al. practice.  No credible US reporter deliberately makes up lies and reports them as fact.  They just prioritize speed over accuracy.  We know that our news media is inaccurate...the people in those other countries are led to believe that their media is accurate.<br><br>On Tuesday lots of incorrect information and speculation was reported.  But it was raw information that was being reported as it was coming in.  The American public knows this (or should know it), and for the most part takes what they hear in a time of crisis with a grain of salt.  Have you ever been in the middle of a crisis/disaster situation?  I mean smack in the middle, not just nearby.  You don't have clean hard facts; you have a deluge of raw information that you have to process on the fly.  Some people are better at it than others.  Would you rather have had the news report that there had been a disaster at the WTC and at the Pentagon, but that they would provide no further details until everything had been verified?  Everything still hasn't been verified.  We would still be waiting on the report.  Yes, responsible reporting by the media is very important, but so is responsible viewing by the public.  It is up to us to listen, analyze, and make sense of what we hear.<br><br>Jeff<br><br><i>[text was edited by author 2001-09-14 21:47:21]</i><br>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:42:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : irrelevant ... the point is the focus is not on accurate informative dissemination of data.  It's on speed and editorializing.  <br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:25:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : I can't debate a point that you won't come out and make.  Who, in your opinion, controls the media?<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:13:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : Accuracy is even MORE important in times of crisis and I think you are sadly mistaken if you really think the media is totally uncontrolled.<br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:09:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : What happened Tuesday was a case of not verifying information.  Yes, reporters are hurrying to be the first to get the scoop, but they don't deliberately report false information.  Iran, Iraq, and other countries like them make up absolute fairy tales and feed them to the public through the media as fact.  There is a big difference.  <br><br>Our media is not government controlled, and it is not controlled in any other way.  In fact it is the total lack of control that contributes to the sloppy reporting.  There are no standards for verifying information before reporting it.  Of course, in a disaster situation such as happened Tuesday, it is somewhat understandable, but it happens all too often during calmer times.<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : I don't have to look that far back ... only to the manufacturing of news since Tuesday that 20,000 died at WTC and I didn't say government controlled, just controlled.  What's of importance to the media today is not to be informative or accurate just to be first.<br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:49:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : The US media is not accurate, not unbiased, but it is <B>not</B> government controlled.  If it was, there wouldn't be Presidential scandals.<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : i think its all but "accurate." remember the car bomb outside the state department?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:37:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[FredT0 posted : And you think the media here at home is totally uncontrolled, open, honest, accurate ?<br><small>--<br>Those that don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : Well, Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is of no concern for now.  I just saw on CNN that Pakistan has agreed to "cooperate completely." Now if Iran will just sit tight and not interfere.  <br><br>BTW, I saw a blurb on CNN that the Iranian leader (forgot his name) said that a terrorist attack that was planned as well as this was could only be the work of a group of Zionists (Israelis), and then the crowd started chanting, "Death to Israel."  Right! Like I can see Israel doing this to the only country that has stood by them since they were re-established in 1948.  Of course, the Iranian media is government-controlled, so there is no telling what the people over there have been told.<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by Nimbuz:</SMALL><HR><br>Let us UNITE together and wage no war<br>Let us MARCH together and eliminate the evil<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Did you mean to say "wage no war?"  <br><br>Also, don't assume that our target will be limited to Afghanistan.  It wouldn't surprise me to see "Son" finish what "Father" started in Iraq.  After all, we received condolences from almost every major country, including Libya and Cuba, but Sadaam simply said, "The Americans are reaping the thorns that their leaders have sown."  <br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:23:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Nimbuz posted : Like father, like son.<br><br>Father made base in Saudi Arabia<br>Son plans to make base in Pakistan<br><br>Father fought against Iraq<br>Son plans to fight against Afghanistan<br><br>Father bought oil from Saudi Arabia<br>Son plans to buy natural resources from Pakistan<br><br>Father's target enemy was Saddam Hussein<br>Son's target enemy is Osama Bin Laden<br><br>Both father and son shared same characteristics:<br>This is war. Make no mistake about it!<br><br>Let us UNITE together and wage no war<br>Let us MARCH together and eliminate the evil<br><small>--<br>Ask and ye shall receive - Seek and ye shall find<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:57:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Pacrat posted : People... make no mistake about it.  If we go to war... with anyone... we will open the flood-gates for attacks here and around the world.  That said, even if we don't "declare war", the ice has been broken and, yes, there will be other attacks here in the U.S.A.  Now that it has been proven that it can be done, there will be more.  This won't be another quick and decisive Gulf War Conflict.  This one's gonna be dirty and lengthy.  before it's over, you're going to be afraid to attend any activity where thousands of people would gather at one time... college sports, pro sports, automobile races, shopping malls, etc.  It's going to be that way! resign yourself to it.  The oceans are not going to protect us this time.  Many of the enemy are already here.  Whether Pakistan has the "bomb" or not is irrelevant.  Whether the person standing next to you in line at the grocery store has a stick of TNT under his/her coat... that's the kind of war this one's going to be.  The days of "nintendo" wars with few casualties are gone.  It's going to be back to the trenches this time.  We're going to be fighting terrorists... from many sources.  We'll not be able to carpet bomb Beverly Hills from B-52's at 40,000 ft this time.  The enemy isn't going to be holed-up in trenches in the desert.  He's going to be living down the street, or around the corner.  Those that died in New York will be just the tip of the iceberg.  So don't rush to judgement or get impatient, if you think we're not bombing the ba$tard$ back to the stone age quickly enough.  This will have to be done slowly and methodically.  Yes... it needs to be done, but it needs to be done right.<br>to paraphrase: "Revenge is a dish best served up cold"<br><br>Cool and thoughtful heads are most needed now.  We need to "get 'em" but we need more to "get 'em" on our terms and in our time.  We might do well to take a lesson or two from the Mossad.  There is no doubt in my mind that our aims can be met with small scale, surgical strikes, as long as we don't tie the hands of those doing the striking.  The gloves are off and the Marquis of Queensbury rules be damned!  You don't kill mosquitoes with a sledge hammer!  But you do still kill the mosquitoes.<br><small>--<br>"...just an earth-bound misfit, I"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:31:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jfs11795 posted : Pakistan has not reported having any ICBM, but they could be hiding them.  The do have a IRBM(Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missile) and  MRBM(Medium-Range Ballistic Missile).  It's not something we want to mess with either way, because fall out is carried along with the weather even if it doesn't hit our soil you can still get radiation poisoning from the fallout.<br><br>Here are links that tell what Pakistan has in the way of Ballistic Missiles.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/nuclear/cdiss0798.html" >www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/n &middot;&middot;&middot; 798.html</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cdiss.org/btablepr.htm#BLOB4" >www.cdiss.org/btablepr.htm#BLOB4</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/5795/" >www.geocities.com/Pentag &middot;&middot;&middot; rs/5795/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.defencejournal.com/oct98/pak_missilesystem.htm" >www.defencejournal.com/o &middot;&middot;&middot; stem.htm</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted : According to the article, the missiles and plans that Pakistan was given were for shorter range ballistic missiles  -- nothing that could reach the US.  There was no mention of the PRC providing the CSS4 long range ICBM technology to anyone else.  However, the fact that Iran, Pakistan, and Libya all have nuclear capability (according to the article), means that we will need to be careful when going after Afghanistan.  <br><br>That was a very chilling article.  I never knew that China had 100 long range, nuclear ICBMs targeted at the US.  <br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IamZed posted : We can at no time consider the backlash of our retaliation. That is not how you win a war. You kill and kill as fast as you can. The fewer opponents there are, the less damage they will do, and if those damages are more of these suicide stunts they will fade away thru attrition. This is not the Gulf War. It will be nothing like it. It will have two fronts. Here, and there, like it or not.<br><small>--<br>Dont Tread on Me</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[statemachine posted : I've disagreed and still disagree with past decisions and situations we've gotten into, but this is a whole new ballgame.<br><br>We're in a state of war. Our soil was invaded and our people attacked.<br><br>Anything to defend our country, our people, our way of life, is just fine with me. If I were to be called up by the President and asked to go on a suicide mission, I would agree. If using atomic weapons is what it takes, then so be it. I will gladly accept the consequences. War is Hell. <br><br>To the terrorists: You just f'd with the wrong person. Start praying to whatever god you think will protect you. Nothing else will stop me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jfs11795 posted : They have ICBM's, they were given the plans by Peoples Republic of China(PRC) the technology was also given to Iran, North Korea, Saudia Arabia, Libya and others.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/newschina/cox/missles/page1.html" >www.time.com/time/daily/ &middot;&middot;&middot; ge1.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Starfish posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by nlocklin:</SMALL><HR>Terrorists are going to attack us whether we attack them back or not.  It's not like if we give them a pass this time, they'll say "Oh, those Americans, maybe we were wrong... let's let them be".  We might as well wipe out as many as we can, especially since the mood of the world is finally turning towards cracking down on terrorists and standing up to them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>That's another point that's also true!<br><br>But IF events are getting out of hand this WTC/Pentagon thing could just be the beginning!<br><br>Small conlusion: So I think gathering good intelligence fast will be one of the most essential factors.<br><br>Find out who are dangerous, their "hierarchy", structure, groups etc. as fast as possible<br><br>Then arrest all those people who are in America and Europe at once and strike place x at once in one highly coordinated action from multiple countries..<br><small>--<br>~ A moment of silence ~</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[monopoman posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by nlocklin:</SMALL><HR>Terrorists are going to attack us whether we attack them back or not.  It's not like if we give them a pass this time, they'll say "Oh, those Americans, maybe we were wrong... let's let them be".  We might as well wipe out as many as we can, especially since the mood of the world is finally turning towards cracking down on terrorists and standing up to them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True I just don't know if this will speed up the terrorists retaliation.<br><small>--<br>"If you give up our rights to fight the terrorists, then the terrorists win their battle to turn us into them." - Mike Andruschak</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Starfish posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by seaquake:</SMALL><HR>This has the potential to become real ugly.  I think that's why we haven't seen any military action so far.  I'd expect to see some sort of vote at the UN prior to any action being taken.<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>As time passed by I'm thinking more and more that this is going to become really ugly.<br><br>If Afghanistan is attacked you can be sure that terrorists will hit America again.<br><br>The thing that scares me most are the so-called "suitcase bombs" that contain a small nuclear warhead.<br><br>Those were developed by Russia during the Cold War and they had about 100 - 350 of those..<br><br>The only problem is that during the years about 40 have "gone missing"!!!<br><br>Just the thought that terrorists group can have such things as somekind of "wildcard" when they're facing their ultimate challenge (ie full scale attack by America/Nato + Russia perhaps?)<br><br>One suitcase and there goes LA, NYC, DC, you name it..<br> <br> <br>I really think that if those terrorist have such materials they'll not hesitate to use them if the wrong decisions are made about attacking right now..<br><small>--<br>~ A moment of silence ~</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[monopoman posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by rald84:</SMALL><HR>umm someone wanna tell me why we're talking about wiping PAKISTAN off the face of the earth when they've already said they're going to fully support us? the only thing they won't let us do is send ground troops into their country. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just because they are pretty close to Afghanistan? Isn't that reason enough I mean we could hit them on the way or the way back right?<br><small>--<br>"If you give up our rights to fight the terrorists, then the terrorists win their battle to turn us into them." - Mike Andruschak</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CatSnak posted : Well they should be running scared. Found this online at the Miami Herald. By Leonard Pitts Jr.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR><I>Published Wednesday, September 12, 2001</I> <br><br><B>We'll go forward from this moment</B><br>It's my job to have something to say.<br>They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering. <br><br>You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.<br><br>What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed. <br><br>Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. <br><br>Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.<br><br>Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.<br><br>Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.<br><br>Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.<br><br><B>IN PAIN </B><br><br>Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. <br><br>But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice. <br><br>I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.<br><br>In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined. <br><br><B>THE STEEL IN US</B> <br><br>You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. <br><br>As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish. <br><br>So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.<br><br>But you're about to learn.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The last line says it all!<br><SMALL>--<br>Yup ah did it, whatcha gonna do about it?<BR>Join Us <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,695254;root=dist;mode=flat"> Team Ecology</A> - <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/folding"> Team Helix </A></SMALL><br><i>[text was edited by author 2001-09-14 16:30:04]</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[monopoman posted : Pakistan won't attack us we have to be on our guard though for devoted followers of Bin Laden that are in our US borders though. After we are finished wiping the floor with Bin Laden and his group over in Afghanistan we will have to deal with the damn terrorist that are well seeded and dormant in our own Country. I really want to see how the President will handle that. Hopefully it won't be a lock down in a prison camp like what happened after Pearl Harbor.<br><small>--<br>"If you give up our rights to fight the terrorists, then the terrorists win their battle to turn us into them." - Mike Andruschak</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jsturner posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by jfs1179:</SMALL><HR>Pakistan has nuclear warheads, we don't need to piss people off who have those. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Yes, Pakistan has nuclear warheads, but they don't have any missile or airplane that could get it to the US.  They would basically have to send it to us via UPS, and I think they have a policy against delivering nuclear weapons.<br><br>Pakistan will not stand in our way; it is a matter of how much they are willing to help us.<br><br>Jeff]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OCNBLUE posted : I think Khadafi also threatened to retaliate. We all know how that ended. <br><br>The question now becomes is the USA ready to deal with bombs going off in parked cars outside of restaurants, in trains or full stadiums etc? As I do agree we need to retaliate (and who doesn't?) we will have fanatics doing terrorist attacks all over the place. This is no different then what Israel, London and numerous other countries face everyday. Do we do a sweep of all illegal aliens and remove them from the country? Deny working visa's from specific countries? I am all for that by the way. <br><br>This may anger some but it time for America to start taking care of its own. Give scholarships to American citizens, not someone who is not a US citizen to fill a quota. We have hunger in our own country, feed them first. Stop loaning countries billions of dollars and then say no need to repay us. Where does that money come from? You and I of course. I know Visa, Mastercard and whomever else holds your mortgage/car payment does not have the same courtesy to zero your balance. <br><br>Mexican President Fox wants to open up the borders. How many Americans will race to get into Mexico? We can't let all mexican illegal aliens stay in the country while not having the same consideration for all other illegals from other countries. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Rick5 posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by jfs1179:</SMALL><HR>Pakistan has nuclear warheads, we don't need to piss people off who have those. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>I realize that some may take a somewhat compassionate<br>or fearfull view of any actions we may take, however<br>the time for both ended with the attack in the size, scope,<br>and manner in which this occured on this country.<br><br>Compassion with terrorists does not work, because you're<br>dealing with heartless creatures who have absolutely no<br>regard for human life. In a previous attempt to appease<br>them, this country converted the death sentence of the<br>last WTC bomber to life in prison.<br>Where exactly did that get us?<br>In a fair and balanced way, we attempt to help moderate<br>the peace process between Israel and Palastine,<br>and yet they dance in the streets cheering our country<br>pain. Where exactly did that get us?<br><br>The time for compassion has ended. The time for fear<br>is now. But it is Bin laden and his group of henchmen<br>who will be doing the fearing. And it is with no compassion<br>that we will come after him.<br><br>98% of the countries of this world recognize this and have<br>supported us. In the face of this, any talk about<br>Pakistan using Nuclear weapons against us is laughable..<br>especially in light of their stated support for us as well.<br><br>Thousands upon thousands of American peoples lives<br>has been destroyed by these terrorists actions.<br>Families who have lost their breadwinners, and now wonder<br>how they will even pay next months bills.<br>Companies who have lost 3/4 of their workforce.<br>110 story skyscrapers reduced to ruins...along with<br>attacks on the very heart of our nations defense.<br><br>This is War. Make no mistake about it.<br><br>And it is a War we will win. And the benefit to come<br>out of this tragedy will be a safer world...for not<br>only ourselves..but for all good and decent people<br>the world over.<br><br>~RRR]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nlocklin posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by jfs1179:</SMALL><HR>Pakistan has nuclear warheads, we don't need to piss people off who have those.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Thanks for your contribution, but seriously... What makes you think Pakistan would use nuclear weapons to defend Afghanistan?  The only question here is how much support Pakistan will be willing to give us.  At a minimum, they've said they'll let our jets fly through their airspace (which they denied during the last terrorist attack).<br><br>I can partially understand their reluctance to allow U.S. troops at their bases, however - they have their own Muslim extremists in their country and would have to deal with them in that case.  But don't rule it out.  It's not just the U.S. that is the sleeping giant that has been woken up, but the entire world.  Everyone is looking at terrorism in a whole new way after the 11th, and already a number of countries that used to appease their terrorists in order to receive some feeling of security are have re-considered their policies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TheGiant posted : TO late they already Pissed the United States off. If Pakistan wants to be wiped from the face of the Earth in say about 10min Then all they have to do is blink... There are enough subs off the coast right now to end the country of Pakistan for ever. Scary. Please <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1434774;root=news,10167;mode=flat">vote</A><br><SMALL>--<br><SMALL>Bring gifts for <A HREF="http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_2_Spirit.html">Ben Laden</A> </SMALL></SMALL><br><i>[text was edited by author 2001-09-14 13:52:19]</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PatientGuy posted : The Taliban telling us to be rational. (We should bomb em just for saying something that stupid.) Those bastards are scared. They know what's coming. They've awakened the sleeping giant. Bye Bye.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nlocklin posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by joseftu:</SMALL><HR>No. With terrorists. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Just amazing.  It's like a kid walking through a playground and getting hit in the back with a big stick.  The kid turns around to face another kid who said "It wasn't me, but if you hit me I'm going to hit you with this big stick I have here".<br>On one hand they're saying they aren't responsible for terrorist attacks, but then in the same breath they're threatening more of them.<br>Goodbye Taliban.  Let's hope whatever militant group overthrows you after we've wiped out your military is a little less two-faced and a little more human.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Rick5 posted : They've already said they support us and will do what they<br>can to help.<br>Whether they agree to that specific list of requests remains<br>to be seen..but the statement by them is already there.<br><br>Even if they don't, it matters very little.<br>It would probably make it easier on us, but the end<br>result would be the same I think.<br><br>There is simply too much world support for us at this point.<br>Russia, China...I mean, what's pakistan when you come to it<br>in the whole scheme of things?<br><br>I think the end result is going to be very soon,<br>we see Bin Laden in Handcuffs and coming over here<br>first hand to witness the American Way of life.<br><br>I can hardly wait.<br><br>~RRR]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Black Mammot posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by RoadRunner Rick:</SMALL><HR>With Pakistan even supporting us, the Taliban has nothing.<br>Virtually this whole world is supporting us.<br><br>Bin Laden is going down. They crossed the line this time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>We do not know if Pakistan is going to support us yet.  We have put A LOT of pressure on them to do so.  But they still haven't gotten back to us.  At least, that's what that article says.<br><small>--<br>Z's rock...death to all Hondas!<br><br>Go Hokies!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IamZed posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR> Oh, Muslims of the world, we should unite together if the United States attacks us<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>This asshole really thinks he speaks for all Muslims! Its gonna be a sorry wake up call for him when American Muslims in uniform unite with him.<br><small>--<br>Dont Tread on Me</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Black Mammot posted : We need to be VERY careful about WAR.  I have been advocating this now for a couple days.  People flame me, but that's ok.<br><br>We are going to see MORE terrorist attacks.  Except this time there WILL be more and it WILL be MORE RANDOM.  Effecting each and everyone of us at ANY time.  Hopefully our government will do this the right & smart way.  What way is that?  I do not know.  Hopefully we can resolve this.  Unfortunately, there are so many fanatics.  And if we KILL bin Laden...well where is his money going to?  Another fanatic.<br><br>We need to handle this very carefully and hope we can have retribution.  Going to WAR is bad enough...the only thing worst than going to WAR is going to WAR with terrorist...because they do NOT KNOW the definition of WAR CRIMES.<br><br>What do we do?  I do not know.<br><small>--<br>Z's rock...death to all Hondas!<br><br>Go Hokies!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[seaquake posted : This has the potential to become real ugly.  I think that's why we haven't seen any military action so far.  I'd expect to see some sort of vote at the UN prior to any action being taken.<br><small>--<br>After a time you may come to realize that having is not such a pleasing thing as wanting.  It is not logical, but it is often true.</small>]]></description>
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