Shaw → Re: Shaw Tech support

Whats the point of the study I think it means jack. It misses one major point, its what people do with all the bandwidth available. To say that 20% is not a significant number of subscribers is a dangerous business decision. P2P or whatever is the current method at the time is what people want to do with the bandwidth.

Instead of Shaw upgrading their backbone they decided instead to purchase Ellacoya switches. Simply because the latter was the cheapest way to go. You can do this sort of move when their is little competition to divert your customers away. I don't see any of these ridiculous caps or shaping down south. Of course not because they are expanding their network backbones and the pipes to the houses. Simply because their is more competition down there.

Even Rogers realized it's a ridiculous cap of 50 and upped their total to 100. As well why is it Shaw are not prioritizing all VoIP traffic for all Shaw internet customers. Instead of the $10 tax they charge you for the extra service, it only represents 1% traffic. Ah it can't work the other way around because Shaw is greedy, with interests in only their own all or none services.

I do commend you though Nitro it takes alot of balls to come on here, and tell people what they should and shouldn't expect out of services they pay for. I don't even use P2P, and I could careless that others are. If my internet gets slow its Shaw's fault, not customers they are selling services to.

Your stance seems to support a company that dictates what their subscribers can and can't do on their network. I notice you are a SuSE user, and obviously have to download that from somewhere. That all takes bandwidth, what would you think if they shut down all the http and ftp mirrors in favour of BT. I'm sure you would have something to say then.

It tells me throwing more bandwidth down the pipe isn't going to do JackObviously you haven't visited the Optinum Online Forum were they have a 59 page thread on capping
I don't recall telling people what they should and shouldn't expect out of services they pay for.Your right about one thing, it's their network:)

So your saying lets give the ISPs a reason to keep things as is. Never broadening the pipe for further innovation. This is exactly what Shaw is doing to make their share price look good. Their is no argueing that legit P2P uses exist and will only rise in use in the coming years. Instead of expanding they choose to move backwards rather than forwards. Lets not forget that the wholesale price of a Shaw connection is around $22.50. All Shaw internet services are completely useless, so lets all move to 3web and give Shaw a real reason not to invest back into their network.

You picked about the worst example you could have. With OOL making a full list of unhappy camper one day on the frontpage. But thats ok OOL did upgrade whats important, instead of purchasing Ellacoya switches. They have 15/30/50 packages available, and will only succumb to non caps once FIOS is more present. This is all a bigger step in the right direction than what is happening here.

Every post that you see P2P on you can't help but post. After all, "any app that's parasitic in nature" has to be stopped right? Especially if you are not the one utilizing it.

I think even you know "their network" are loose words. As no network is of any use without the users it serves.

Well....

To say shaw has not been upgrading their network is complete horse crap. They just upgraded most of their network to docsis throughout most of their regions which has cost millions. Now they are spending millions more to upgrade their network to support SDP. I have seen nothing but investment into their network for the past while.

I am guess that once they are done their SDP expansion and all the cash has finished going out for that.... that they will go back again and continue to upgrade their network even more on a larger scale.

Thats just my 2 cents though.

Couldn't agree more, however the upgrades came as a result of Telco opposition. Shaw only upgrades when they deem necessary to counter the competition. It's also a well known fact that Peter put the stop on any upgrades to their fiber plant in Vancouver. This move sparked the purchasing of the Ellacoya switch equipment.

Also testing on their own network yields pathetic results. We used to run T1 lines with Sprint, switching those out for 10Mpbs fiber provided by BigPipe Inc. (Shaw's backbone network). The most major problem that arouse out of this, is the connection can't even carry a 512 kbps video/audio link between offices without tons of jitter/choppiness.

SDP has little to do with Shaw internet as it is a completely different service. I will however retract that statement once they better integrate computer/phone. This is about the only thing preventing me from subscribing to SDP atm.