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<description><![CDATA[Ctrl Alt Del posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/168864" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=168864');">sporkme</a>:</SMALL><br><br>If I remember correctly, it had something more to do with low-level graphics access than where it sprinkled files.  I installed everything as an "admin" user, but the games just refused to run as a normal user.<br> </DIV>That could be traced to a poorly designed graphics driver. Most of the games that I've had complain about being run under a Limited Account, couldn't have full access to certain directories, parts of the Registry, or certain OS privileges.<br><br>But yes, running in a Limited Account in Windows is a pain.<br><SMALL>--<br>less talk, more music</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:52:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Cheese posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/1315094" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1315094');">Shark_615</a>:</SMALL><BR><BR>Not for 300$ at Wallmart.<br><br>A new to PC user isnt going to drop 2 grand on a Mac when then get a pretty Dell for next to nothing.<br> </DIV>Yep. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Shark_615 posted : Not for 300$ at Wallmart.<br><br>A new to PC user isnt going to drop 2 grand on a Mac when then get a pretty Dell for next to nothing.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:10:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sporkme posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/587153" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=587153');">Ctrl Alt Del</a>:</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/168864" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=168864');">sporkme</a>:</SMALL><br><br>I have a neighbor with kids and while it was nice to setup individual accounts for each kid, it really sucked that they all had to be "power users" or whatever XP calls it just so they could run some stupid Lego games.  That's just bad design.<br> </DIV>Bad design by the maker of the Lego software. Windows has a somewhat decent user model that does work. The problem is, most software was written with no concern about what user level their software would run at.  </DIV>If I remember correctly, it had something more to do with low-level graphics access than where it sprinkled files.  I installed everything as an "admin" user, but the games just refused to run as a normal user.<br><SMALL>--<br><I>Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity</I></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:15:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Cheese posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/1315094" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1315094');">Shark_615</a>:</SMALL><BR><BR>The big reason why so many Windows machines are hosed is because anyone with no training can go buy a fully equipped Dell for $300.</DIV>And anyone without training can go buy a fully euqipped Mac as well. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ctrl Alt Del posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/168864" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=168864');">sporkme</a>:</SMALL><br><br>I have a neighbor with kids and while it was nice to setup individual accounts for each kid, it really sucked that they all had to be "power users" or whatever XP calls it just so they could run some stupid Lego games.  That's just bad design.<br> </DIV>Bad design by the maker of the Lego software. Windows has a somewhat decent user model that does work. The problem is, most software was written with no concern about what user level their software would run at. Most programmers assume that everyone using Windows is running with Administrator permissions.<br><br>Some software likes to put files everywhere it damn pleases for no reason. Software for Windows could be written better, and only put files in its own folder. I have software that doesn't alter or create files anywhere other than its own folder. But poorly written software likes to put files in system32, WINDOWS, and sprinkle a few files right on the root of the drive (like my HP printer software). This is one reason that some games fail. Another reason is registry permissions. Some games want to modify HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, which is a no-no unless you're an Admin.<br><SMALL>--<br>less talk, more music</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sporkme posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/426230" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=426230');">jdb8167</a>:</SMALL><br><br>Even my computer ignorant mother doesn't install things that need a password. She knows better.  </DIV>One nice thing about the Mac is that for people like that, you don't even need to give them any admin access.  My Dad has had a Mac for about four years, and he doesn't even have the admin password.  Unlike XP, that doesn't mean that he can't actually do things with the computer...  <br><br>I have a neighbor with kids and while it was nice to setup individual accounts for each kid, it really sucked that they all had to be "power users" or whatever XP calls it just so they could run some stupid Lego games.  That's just bad design.<br><SMALL>--<br><I>Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity</I></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ctrl Alt Del posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/870211" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=870211');">blueeyesm</a>:</SMALL><br><br>My wish for Windows security is imitate what OS X does - ask for a password anytime something is critically, changed, wishes to be installed, etc.<br><br>That way Administrator accounts do not need to be run by default, simply to make the user's life easier.<br> </DIV>I think you'll get your wish with the next version of Windows (Windows Vista). Microsoft is implementing serious security changes, and prompting for a password when doing a system change is one of them.<br><br>By the way, OS X wasn't the first to prompt for a password before a system event, this has been a part of UNIX for a while.<br><SMALL>--<br>less talk, more music</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:36:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Ctrl Alt Del posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/426230" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=426230');">jdb8167</a>:</SMALL><br><br>While both of those are malware, neither is a virus. Opener is a trojan that needs an administrators password to install. So if you download random things from usenet or P2P and then install them and then type in your password you may be in trouble. The MP3 concept is a trojan with a clever disguise. It is not in the wild. There are probably several trojans for OS X in the wild. For example, there was a case of someone downloading what they thought was Office for OS X but it turned out to be a small applescript that deleted the users home account.<br><br>Neither of these are particularly dangerous even for ignorant users. You won't find them spreading by themselves. <br> </DIV>Exactly my point.<br><SMALL>--<br>less talk, more music</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jwsmiths4 posted : Because viruses for Windows can still be spread via email if the Mac users doesn't' even realize that they're emailing out a virus since they didn't bother to scan it and the attachment didn't cause any problems on their own machine.  Furthermore Symantec and McAfee would love to see everyone think the mac is as insecure as Windows so they can make more money.  If I were writing AV for Mac right now it would be a simple script that said "No Viruses Detected" whenever you ran it.  Wouldn't even bother scanning for now ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>Doctors do it in hospitals.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Shark_615 posted : Normal end users get annoyed at infrequent firewall popups and end up allowing everything cause they can't be arsed to figure it out.<br><br>Never ever underestimate the unlimited stupidity and laziness of a user.<br><br>People give out their bank and credit card information in response to obviously fake emails with bad grammar and spelling that aren't even from their bank! <br><br>Authorizing a bad install in OSX is trivial when matched up with that level of ignorance.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TechieZero posted : Which brings up a good point. If Macs didn't have viruses or malware whatever you wanted to call a process that interferes with the willfull operation of your PC --- why make anti-virus products for it?<br><SMALL>--<br>Do you own/manage a barn with lesson horses? Go here! &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.otsysinc.com/EquiSense.htm" >www.otsysinc.com/EquiSense.htm</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[blueeyesm posted : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/426230" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=426230');">jdb8167</a>:</SMALL><BR><BR>Even my computer ignorant mother doesn't install things that need a password. She knows better. <br></DIV>...and knowing is half the battle! (GGG.III. JOOOEE! :D )<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/426230" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=426230');">jdb8167</a>:</SMALL><BR><BR>It doesn't take very much to educate users not to do things like this on a Mac because typing in a password to install software can be a big warning sign. <br><br>No user should be running their day-to-day account on OS X as even an administrator account. There is really no reason to do this unless you are a developer. Nearly every administrator action will pop up a password dialog and the only difference between a non-privileged account and an admin account is you need to type in both the account name and the password. But the difference is security is pretty large because many directories that are unwritable to non-privileged accounts are writable with an administrator account without a password.<br> </DIV>My wish for Windows security is imitate what OS X does - ask for a password anytime something is critically, changed, wishes to be installed, etc.<br><br>That way Administrator accounts do not need to be run by default, simply to make the user's life easier.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jdb8167 posted : Even my computer ignorant mother doesn't install things that need a password. She knows better. <br><br>It doesn't take very much to educate users not to do things like this on a Mac because typing in a password to install software can be a big warning sign. <br><br>No user should be running their day-to-day account on OS X as even an administrator account. There is really no reason to do this unless you are a developer. Nearly every administrator action will pop up a password dialog and the only difference between a non-privileged account and an admin account is you need to type in both the account name and the password. But the difference is security is pretty large because many directories that are unwritable to non-privileged accounts are writable with an administrator account without a password.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Shark_615 posted : The scary thing is I have and I am sure many other people have seen and read of people that will type in a password and hit yes to get the prompt off their screen. Or better yet they will click a pop up and fill out a complete form because they think there is a prize at the end. It's amazing the amount of information people give out for a possible treat. Social engineering is just as easy on a Mac as it is on a PC.<br><br>The big reason why so many Windows machines are hosed is because anyone with no training can go buy a fully equipped Dell for $300. At least for an Apple there is a certain degree of education in the majority of the community and the price point is out of the range of most newbies and non computer enthusiast.<br><br>Pre Mac Mini, if you wanted a basic e-mail, internet, music and maybe Word Proc system where did you go? Gateway or Dell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jdb8167 posted : While both of those are malware, neither is a virus. Opener is a trojan that needs an administrators password to install. So if you download random things from usenet or P2P and then install them and then type in your password you may be in trouble. The MP3 concept is a trojan with a clever disguise. It is not in the wild. There are probably several trojans for OS X in the wild. For example, there was a case of someone downloading what they thought was Office for OS X but it turned out to be a small applescript that deleted the users home account.<br><br>Neither of these are particularly dangerous even for ignorant users. You won't find them spreading by themselves. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ctrl Alt Del posted : I actually did some research and did found a few viruses that exist for OS X. Anyone who says that no viruses exist for the Mac are wrong. There does exist at least two viruses for the Mac that I know of (as well as Symantec, McAfee, Sophos, Trend Micro, Kaspersky, etc). Both of them are actually trojan's, as both require user interaction, but I don't want to spoil the fun with details yet.<br><br>There are two "popular" ones that show up a lot:<br><br>1: Opener [McAfee, Kaspersky, Sophos, Trend Micro], Renepo [Symantec]<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sh.renepo.b.html" >securityresponse.symante &middot;&middot;&middot; o.b.html</A><br>And I'm sure there are write ups about this virus from the others, but Symantec's write up is rather well documented.<br><br>Let's look at what this baby does:<br><div class="bquote">When the virus is executed, it does the following:<br><br>   1. Deletes some UNIX commands and modifies preferences for other additional commands.<br><br>   2. Launches a keystroke-mapping application (if installed) called Krec, to record the keyboard entry of passwords.<br><br>   3. Modifies the hostconfig file, allowing Write access to all users and SSH access from the intruder's computer.<br><br>   4. Gathers hash files (mathematical strings used to represent passwords and other sensitive data) to scan for passwords for every user, compares these hash files to a dictionary file to try to generate the appropriate passwords.<br><br>   5. Turns on file sharing and remote login, then puts passwords and other sensitive data into an invisible folder named .info on each user's Public folder.<br><br>   6. When active, the Activity Monitor shows a process called "john" eating almost an entire processor.<br><br>   7. Requires one or more of the following to install this script and to copy itself to the startup items folder:<br>          * Admin or physical access (boot from a CD or firewire/usb, ignore permissions on the internal drive).<br>          * Write access to either /Library/StartupItems /System/Library/StartupItems.<br>          * Write access to any existing StartupItem (which is replaced with this script).<br>          * Write access to the rc, crontab, or periodic files.<br><br>   8. Creates the startup item /System/Library/StartupItems named "opener."<br><br>   9. Runs "john" (we assume as in "the Ripper").<br><br>  10. Turns on some services and turns off others (including firewall services).<br><br>  11. Runs as root, as no "sudo" commands are needed.<br><br>  12. Copies itself to any mounted startup volume, before it kills utmp. When the virus connects, it is invisible to the user.<br><br>      Note: The utmp file allows one to discover information about who is currently using the system. There may be more users currently using the system, because not all programs use utmp logging.<br><br>  13. After disabling the Macintosh OS firewall, it changes the File Server preferences to make sure the Mac File Server does not log any Mac File Sharing.<br><br>  14. Prevents Software update from auto-updating.<br><br>  15. Looks for LittleSnitch software (a shareware Firewall program with application control) and tries to terminate the process, when LittleSnitch attempts to perform network access.<br><br>  16. Searches throughout the computer for the following:<br>          * Serial numbers of installed applications.<br>          * Various preference files of installed applications.<br>          * Various user-specific preferences, including Classic files.<br><br>  17. Modifies the LimeWire settings, deletes log files, and creates an admin level user named:<br><br>      "LDAP-daemon"<br><br>      so the machine can then be accessed in the future by a hacker who knows about this script. This user name will appear in the NetInfo Manager.<br><br>  18. Installs a daily script to look for more passwords on the system that runs at 3 A.M.<br><br>  19. Installs and runs two programs named:<br>          * "John the Ripper"<br>          * "dsniff"<br><br>            which will gather data and attempt to isolate passwords contained within them, as well as any other 10.2 and 10.3 hashes.<br><br>  20. Gathers data and attempts to isolate passwords contained within them, as well as any other 10.2 and 10.3 hashes.<br><br>  21. Reviews the logs for any passwords found.</DIV>Holy shit, sounds like Mac users need to get some Anti Virus software! However, don't get excited yet, there's a catch. The virus <B>will not</B> function <U>unless</U> you type in an Administrator password. If you stumble upon this virus and double click on it, it will not do anything unless you manually type in your password. If you stumble upon a website that tries to launch this virus, you are forced to download it, then double click on it. Unlike Windows, you can not accidentally get infected just by surfing to some random website. Mac OS X is inherently more secure than Windows by default. It doesn't self propagate, can't automatically execute, and requires user action. Doesn't sound too much of a threat anymore.<br><br>2: The second virus is more of a concept, as it wasn't really in the wild, and nowhere near as dangerous as the first. This Trojan horse, MP3Concept (MP3Virus.Gen), exploits a weakness in Mac OS X where applications can appear to be other types of files.<br><br>Here's what this one apparently does:<br><div class="bquote">The Trojan horse&#146;s code is encapsulated in the ID3 tag of an MP3 (digital music) file. This code is in reality a hidden application that can run on any Macintosh computer running Mac OS X.<br><br>Mac OS X displays the icon of the MP3 file, with an .mp3 extension, rather than showing the file as an application, leading users to believe that they can double-click the file to listen to it. But double clicking the file launches the hidden code, which can damage or delete files on computers running Mac OS X, then iTunes to play the music contained in the file, to make users think that it is really an MP3 file . While the first versions of this Trojan horse that Intego has isolated are benign, this technique opens the door to more serious risks.<br><br>This Trojan horse has the potential to do any of the following:<br><br>    * Delete all of a user&#146;s personal files<br>    * Send an e-mail message containing a copy of itself to other users<br>    * Infect other MP3, JPEG, GIF or QuickTime files<br><br>Due to the use of this technique, users can no longer safely double-click MP3 files in Mac OS X. This same technique could be used with JPEG and GIF files, though no such cases of infected graphic files have yet been seen.</DIV>Again, this one has a catch too. Only one vendor (Intego) said anything about this one (as far as I can tell), and this is about all the information I can gather on this one. Intego no longer has the information page on this virus (I wonder why, proof of a real Mac virus would only help them sell their Anti Virus software...). However, the worst this virus can do is destroy the local user account. Because the virus is launched by the user who ran it, the worst it can do is destroy that user's home directory, it can't touch anything else. You don't even have to reinstall the OS, just make a new account (now that's convenient).<br><br>So, the Mac does have a few malicious viruses that exist, however, neither of the two I know about are worth worrying about. The OS is simply designed to be more secure by default, and the worst that happens is, you trash your user account. Big deal. Get hit with a nasty Windows virus, and you have to reinstall (again).<br><br>Note: My main machine is a Dell Inspiron 8600 (which I love) running Windows XP Pro SP2, my secondary machine is a Dell Dimension 4500S running Windows XP Pro SP2, Knoppix, and Ubuntu. I own one Mac, which is a 233 MHz G3 iMac that I just use to play with because it's too damn slow to use for anything else. I am not a Mac zealot, nor a Windows zealot. I hate them all equally.<br><SMALL>--<br>less talk, more music</SMALL>]]></description>
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