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Re: Cancelled FiOS order just now!

said by nanobug:

Would you pay 600 bucks a year for 8 IP addresses?
If my business depended on it, yes. Especially if I was already spending a minimum of $1200 for the base service AND I was getting 15/2 speeds (or 5/5 or whatever). A comprable setup with T1/T3/etc would be order or magnitudes larger.

The cheapest Business FiOS package with static addresses is $100/month. So your costs go up by 50%. I'm not saying it's not significant; it is. But what are the costs for similar services that meet your needs? Speakeasy has SDSL with 8 static addresses, but that's $120 a month and tops out at 1.5mbits. I'd gladly pay an additional $30 over that to get 10x the download speeds plus an additional 33% boost in upload if I were a business.

The fact is that Verizon provides a service and can charge whatever they want for it. If they don't provide the service that you want at a price you want to pay, do go with them. You don't have to come into the form and crap on them just because they don't meet what YOU want.
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said by cdru:

said by nanobug:

Speakeasy has SDSL with 8 static addresses, but that's $120 a month and tops out at 1.5mbits. I'd gladly pay an additional $30 over that to get 10x the download speeds plus an additional 33% boost in upload if I were a business.
I will gladly pay Speakeasy $120.00/month for less speed. Or even more. Why? Based on feedback, Speakeasy customer service is orders of magnitude better than Verizon's. I'm willing to pay for good service. But additional IP addresses aren't service! They cost Verizon zero on an ongoing basis. What's the basis for their ongoing charge? A setup charge I could swallow. But a recurring charge? No.

cdru
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said by nanobug:

I will gladly pay Speakeasy $120.00/month for less speed. Or even more. Why? Based on feedback, Speakeasy customer service is orders of magnitude better than Verizon's. I'm willing to pay for good service. But additional IP addresses aren't service! They cost Verizon zero on an ongoing basis. What's the basis for their ongoing charge? A setup charge I could swallow. But a recurring charge? No.
IPs are a commodity. They are in (relative) short supply. If Verizon (or any other ISP) just charged you a one-time fee for the IP and never a reoccurring charge, people would just "buy" them and never release them. This would compound the current IP shortage problem.

As it is, you are not buying additional IP addresses, you are renting or leasing the addresses. As such, you get the monthly fee. Good luck finding another provider that gives you additional IPs for free.

If you don't like it, tough. Go with an [cheaper|slower|better supported] alternative. No one is forcing you to go with FiOS. I don't like Comcast. I think they charge too much and don't provide the quality of service that I wanted. But you don't see me bitching and moaning in the Comcast forum about it. If I did, I'd probably get my posts modded and labeled, rightfully, as a troll.
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said by cdru:

said by nanobug:

I will gladly pay Speakeasy $120.00/month for less speed. Or even more. Why? Based on feedback, Speakeasy customer service is orders of magnitude better than Verizon's. I'm willing to pay for good service. But additional IP addresses aren't service! They cost Verizon zero on an ongoing basis. What's the basis for their ongoing charge? A setup charge I could swallow. But a recurring charge? No.
IPs are a commodity. They are in (relative) short supply. If Verizon (or any other ISP) just charged you a one-time fee for the IP and never a reoccurring charge, people would just "buy" them and never release them. This would compound the current IP shortage problem.

As it is, you are not buying additional IP addresses, you are renting or leasing the addresses. As such, you get the monthly fee. Good luck finding another provider that gives you additional IPs for free.

If you don't like it, tough. Go with an [cheaper|slower|better supported] alternative. No one is forcing you to go with FiOS. I don't like Comcast. I think they charge too much and don't provide the quality of service that I wanted. But you don't see me bitching and moaning in the Comcast forum about it. If I did, I'd probably get my posts modded and labeled, rightfully, as a troll.
I understand the need to allocate the commodity (the IP addresses) rationally. However, Verizon doesn't appear to be doing that. For example:

15/2Mbps w/ 1 static IP: $99.95

15/2Mbps w/ 8 static IP's: 99.95

Where's the incentive to stick to 1 IP?

So, what do you think is the marginal cost of providing a /28 instead of a /29?

As for my criticism of Verizon's pricing in this case, how is it trolling? Or is this forum just for the followers of the new FiOS religion? Is the only allowed activity here to gather round the fiber and sing kumbaya?
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said by nanobug:

As for my criticism of Verizon's pricing in this case, how is it trolling? Or is this forum just for the followers of the new FiOS religion? Is the only allowed activity here to gather round the fiber and sing kumbaya?
It may not be trolling but its pointless whining. They price the service a level that they feel will generate the most income for them. They seem to believe they can charge more for additional IP's.

Complaining about what you don't think is fair is not productive. You have two choices, suck it up or find someone else that will give you the service you want.

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Didn't you realize that on this board you can't say anything negative about Verizon?? Sheesh - where do you get your nerve?

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said by nanobug:

I understand the need to allocate the commodity (the IP addresses) rationally. However, Verizon doesn't appear to be doing that. For example:

15/2Mbps w/ 1 static IP: $99.95

15/2Mbps w/ 8 static IP's: 99.95

Where's the incentive to stick to 1 IP?
There isn't. But not everyone needs an extra IP. If NAT is good enough with the ability to just port forward to an internal computer, you may not want/need one.
So, what do you think is the marginal cost of providing a /28 instead of a /29?
$50 It doesn't matter what WE perceive to be the marginal cost of the extra bit in the subnet. The only thing that matters is that Verizon charges that much.

Neither of us know what their motives are for charging what they do. Maybe they, by pricing them so high, want to discourage companies from running a "data center" from that line. Maybe they have a limited number of addresses for that particular CO and want to ensure that they have enough addresses to go around and not run out requiring them to adjust their routing. Who knows.
As for my criticism of Verizon's pricing in this case, how is it trolling? Or is this forum just for the followers of the new FiOS religion? Is the only allowed activity here to gather round the fiber and sing kumbaya?
No. But you were working on becoming one. Complaints and gripes are frequently posted here. Just look up any of Acrufox's recent posts. The tone of your first posts though was one of "I don't like their pricing and they should give it to me cheaper because I say so." We got the idea that you didn't like the pricing or support and you had other alternatives that suited what you were looking for. Ok then. Case close.
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said by JeepMatt:

Nano-
Didn't you realize that on this board you can't say anything negative about Verizon?? Sheesh - where do you get your nerve?
Yeah, reminds me of the SunRocket Religion a few months ago, until all hell broke lose, eheheh.