AOL Backs Off 'E-mail Tax' → Re: Wait... I am confused...

Um... three words: Pot. Kettle. Black.

Again, so far as I understand it, AOL is not changing their filters. They will continue to use the same spam filters as they always have. You cannot PROVE that a "legitimate" bulk mailer WILL get blocked IF they don't pay. They will have to run the same spam filtering gauntlet they always have. To me, your spin, or rather, your perspective, wording this situation as as "if you don't pay, you get blocked," I believe, is misleading and false.

Let me quote Snopes.com again:

On the last point, we can speak from experience as an organization that has long sent out weekly free mailings to a very large subscriber base (and our mailings are particularly susceptible to being filtered out as spam or fraud attempts, because much of what we write about are the very same hoaxes, scams, and frauds that are being circulated via e-mail). Many, many e-mail providers (not just AOL and Yahoo) have long had in place filters to trap or strip e-mail sent to large numbers of recipients or containing external web links and embedded images (because those features are hallmarks of spam and fraud). The best way for AOL and Yahoo subscribers to ensure that our mailings reach them is to be sure to designate our address in their accounts as an authorized e-mail sender, an option that will not be changing. ("As is the case now, mail arriving from addresses that users have added to their AOL address books will not be treated as spam.")

We have on occasion had problems with some e-mail providers (including AOL) mistakenly flagging our newsletters as spam and blocking them entirely; usually a single e-mail or phone call is sufficient to clear up the problem. Of all the Internet providers we've dealt with in this regard, AOL has by far been the most polite, responsive, and easy to deal with.

Look, from what I understand, AOL customers will still have the ability to configure their settings with white lists to avoid legitimate bulk mailings from being blocked. Until someone can provide a citation to show AOL intends on blocking the emails of any company that does not pay then phrasing AOL's service as "pay or be blocked" is misleading and false. AOL customers should see NO difference in what emails are blocked; the same filters will filter the same spam. They may, however, see emails from legitimate sources now make it through those filters when previously they did not.

An example... I fly Continental all the time since I use the Newark Airport. I am an Elite OnePass member. I get frequent emails from Continental that may or may not be considered by a spam filter as "spam." If Continental decided to pay AOL a fee to ensure their legitimate emails were not mistakenly flagged as spam, then that is Continentals business.

Oh... and before I get called an "AOL shill"... I do not have AOL, I do not work for AOL, and I do not have any vested interest in AOL. In fact, I thoroughly DISLIKE AOL. However, I dislike even more the blatant and misleading twist people keep putting on this story.

You really don't get it, do you. It's NOT about blocking, it's not about spam, it's not about filtering. What it IS about is AOL UNILATERALLY deciding on which mail is 'more important than others'.

You have an inbox, and you have a spam inbox. The value of items in one of those mailboxes is higher than the value of the items in the other inbox. However, how is the decision made as to which one is valued more than the other. Under AOL's plan, the person who PAYS AOL decides what mail is more important.

So, is that how you think e-mail works? You get e-mail not based on your desires, but the desires of AOL or some faceless megacorp? I don't, and I suspect the vast majority of people don't either. We pay our ISP to accept mail for us. We often choose our e-mail system based on how good the spam filter is, size of mailbox, cost, etc.. WE (the people) make the decision as to what ends up in our inbox, not some megacorp looking to rip off everyone.

You keep saying "AOL doesn't intend to block emails". But only companies that PAY AOL are guaranteed to get in the 'good inbox'. But since it doesn't cost YOU, the end user, any money now does it, it's not wrong? Hmm.. lets find an analogy you can understand.

Ah, yes, think of it as a bus. The bus moves people from point A to point B. It doesn't discriminate against who gets on, or where they get off, it delivers people. That's how e-mail works.

If AOL had it's way, there would still be the bus, but it would be a DIFFERENT bus. On this bus, everyone can get on, and everyone can get off, but, if you're black, you have to sit in the BACK of the bus, since your not as important as the white person. If your POOR you have to sit in the back of the bus, while the RICH person sits in the front. AOL is in effect changing the BUS from being a transport of people from point A to point B, to being a two-tier transport, where some people are more important than other people, based upon their ability to pay. Sound a lot like SBC/Verizons plan? It is, its almost exactly the same thing).

The reason everyone is so pissed off, is AOL is going back and creating a 'seperate but equal' system based on the ability to pay. We've tried that in our country, and it didn't work. Corporations, of course, in the interest of maximimizing profits, work to bring back these discrimination's and slavery under the guise of 'quality'. But to do so, they corrupt the very internet that was created. The only solution is to protest, and break up the megacorps if they try and corrupt the internet with their greed.

You know G_Poobah, sometimes you have incredibly insightful things to say... and others times... this time included... well... nevermind.

If you've read any of my other posts, you would've read my thoughts on this:

"BTW - I don't like AOL's idea of allowing a company's emails to bypass a spam filter, just because they can afford it, but that is not what I am taking issue with here."
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"Again, I don't like the idea... but I also don't like the idea of people spreading false or deceptive information. All I am trying to do is separate the facts from the spin."
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"Oh... and before I get called an "AOL shill"... I do not have AOL, I do not work for AOL, and I do not have any vested interest in AOL. In fact, I thoroughly DISLIKE AOL. However, I dislike even more the blatant and misleading twist people keep putting on this story."

So, what makes you think I am defending AOL or the plan? My focus has been to stop people from spinning the issue. AOL does not plan on blocking emails from companies that don't pay because they don't pay, but people keep screaming that they will at the top of their lungs.

So, let me make it clear...

I DON'T LIKE THE AOL PLAN.

Versteh?

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So, what makes you think I am defending AOL or the plan?

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Oh I don't know, the fact you've just spent two days and several hourse trying to downplay the idiocy of it?

You're engaged in a silly semantic debate, as I said. Everyone can click on the links, and see this is a new tariff that gives mass-mailers a chance to pass spam filters. If they don't pay, they likely get blocked by existing filters.

Poobah is right, and I don't understand your overblown 'outrage' at AOL getting an "unfair shake" for what amounts to a completely idiotic idea.