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Re: Should I Be Concerned About Download Cap

And for anyone who gets "lettered", remember to say that "dadkins" AND "jansm38" at BBR's Comcast Forum assured you it would be ok to download up to 600GB per month.

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Ok JT, please point out where I stated ANYWHERE that it is alright to download 600GB!

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600Gig? No way. 100 Gig and you're probably at the limit or at least on the radar. My friend got nuked at somewhere in the vicinity of 300G, I wouldn't recommend pushing 600G.
said by JTRockville:

And for anyone who gets "lettered", remember to say that "dadkins" AND "jansm38" at BBR's Comcast Forum assured you it would be ok to download up to 600GB per month.

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Well alright then. Would you be willing to say 300GB puts you at risk? or 200GB?

Reassuring someone, under these circumstances, gives a false impression that you're somehow "in the know" and should be trusted.

The truth is, we really don't know what's acceptable, do we?

100GB could be enough to get you "lettered" in some areas, or even 60GB, like it was for oliphant .

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You came up with two? Well, I must say that's overwhelming support of your contention that we Comcast users should shutter about how much audio streaming we are getting.

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No, that person(from reading his previous posts) would never have been able to reach 60GB. His connection, so he said, was never up long enough to download anything.

Whatever friend, OP of this thread asked about listening to 3 games per week. Using their numbers and my testing of the radio station's bitrate, it will net him 324MB per month of bandwidth.

There is no way that can violate anyone's AUP.
You tried to say that I oked 600GB... please(again) point out anywhere on this site I have ever stated that!

You can't! Never happened. Likely never will.
Now, what do you think I should tell the OP about what they asked?
Do you think 324MB is going to get them "The Letter"?
I sure don't!

I stand by my previous post.

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Oliphant admitted to over 100 GB. most every letter on here ive seen was well over 100 GB. none of that has anything to do with trying to scare this guy and his family from listening to a few shows that add up to not even 1 GB.

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Well, since a very good friend was nuked at ~300G (by his estimation) I would have to say yes, that amount would put you at risk and I did say that 100 gig would probably put you on the radar.

I do remember something about the thread where someone said they got the letter @ 60Gig, I'd have to re-read it but something doesn't sound right with that one. I'm only doing about 30Gig / month so I don't know for sure.

It's probably safe to say that nobody ever got capped for listening to a couple of streaming ball games a week.
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Well alright then. Would you be willing to say 300GB puts you at risk? or 200GB?

Reassuring someone, under these circumstances, gives a false impression that you're somehow "in the know" and should be trusted.

The truth is, we really don't know what's acceptable, do we?

100GB could be enough to get you "lettered" in some areas, or even 60GB, like it was for oliphant .

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"probably"
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said by audiostream :

Oliphant admitted to over 100 GB. most every letter on here ive seen was well over 100 GB. none of that has anything to do with trying to scare this guy and his family from listening to a few shows that add up to not even 1 GB.
oliphant used over 100GB in the month "the letter" was first sent. The next month's usage was 60GB and service was terminated.

Who's scaring who?

If you don't want to worry about your usage, then get a provider who doesn't "letter" and terminate people without disclosing the terms. Otherwise, all you can do is guess and hope.

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Have any evidence to prove otherwise?
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"probably"

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Care to point out examples of those who received abuse warnings for simply using audio streams?

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#3 Please point out anywhere on this site where I have ever stated that 600GB per month was ok.

Address this first friend.

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I thought I did address it. I changed it to 300GB, or 200GB. Your preference. Which do you guess is the limit?
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said by jansm38:

Have any evidence to prove otherwise?
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"probably"
Of course not. That's my point. There is no hard-and-fast "proof" of what the mysterious ever-changing cap is. There's not even a good way for the average user with a couple of computers or a couple of devices to measure their consumption.

Guess and hope. That's all a Comcast customer can do. It just seems a little misleading when someone doesn't disclose their guess as a guess, and states with authority that they don't have that they know what the cap is.

Until Comcast posts the cap on their website, we'll all just be guessing. Is that so hard to admit?

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said by JTRockville:

And for anyone who gets "lettered", remember to say that "dadkins" AND "jansm38" at BBR's Comcast Forum assured you it would be ok to download up to 600GB per month.
Uh, one more time... point out ANYWHERE on this entire site where I ever stated that it is ok to download 600GB.

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But you haven't shown that anyone received any abuse warnings or termination for simply audio streaming, which is the point of the original post.

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You didn't. Ok? The point (which you seem to have missed), is that you haven't made it clear that you're just guessing when you tell people what they should or shouldn't worry about. And no matter what your guess is, it won't hold any weight if someone gets "lettered" by following your advice.
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Does anyone use their connection for any one single purpose?

Everything you do with your connection consumes bandwidth, even Vonage. A little here. A little there. It all adds up.

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from the looks of your posts you are negtively guessing. why on earth would you come here trying to scare someone from downloading a few radio shows?

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It all adds up to what levels for normal users?

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My advise is based on what the OP asked. Going by that, what I have stated stands true.
324MB will never be a deciding factor on pushing any limit from Comcast.

If OP is pulling x hundred GB already, common sense dictates that a flag will already be raised... right? 324MB more will not matter.

Op asked:
"My question is: does this type of streaming audio use substantial bandwidth and if he listened to 3 or so games per week lasting maybe 2 1/2 hours each, would that constitute enough download to trigger any reaction from Comcast?"

Answer, no.
324MB in a month's time will not trigger any reaction by Comcast.
Never has.

I still stand by my answer, sorry JT.

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said by cracker 52 :

It all adds up to what levels for normal users?
I don't have any idea what's "normal" or what can get your "lettered". No one else can say so with certainty either, not even dadkins .

So good luck guessing, and take it with a grain of salt.

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yep and one should also take advice from ex customers that have an axe to grind with comcast with a grain of salt. and to the original poster hopefully you read thru the bs and your son enjoys his shows with the other millions of customers.

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And how many pounds of salt should we take with you?

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Ok, where have I ever stated *ANY* set limit on what constitutes "The Letter"?

My suggestion to you JT, is start at the beginning of this thread again, but read the OP's question this time.

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Yes, but you are quite presumptuous to suggest that any normal users would have any risk of being terminated for normal usage. Just because the download cap is unknown does not mean a high number of customers are at risk to abuse warnings or termination. Think about it, Comcast has been growing their HSI customer base for the last several years. to about 8 million the last I've seen. Do you really think that a significant amount of customers have been terminated for bandwidth abuse with the growth they've had? Do you really think Comcast wants to reduce its customer base?

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Frankly, I don't think Comcast cares at all about their count of customers. They care about revenue. Less customers (less costs) and higher prices (more profit) would suit Comcast (or any corporation) fine, don't you think?

In fact, I recently made that point in the VZ FiOS forum.

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you should post there more often .. as for this thread. Give it a rest .. youve talked yourself into a corner.. theyll be something else you can guess and fabricate about tommorow im sure.

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Quite the contrary. For all ISPs, equipment costs is the biggest component of their cost structure and spending requirements. Consequently, ISPs have every reason to maximize revenue and customer base to generate the all important free cash flow coverage (after capital expenditures) that the investors are looking for. As a matter of fact, investors are leery of the communication distribution industry as a whole because of concerns over telecos and cable companies fighting for market share, resulting in lower margins and ultimately returns on investment. Cutting personnel costs won't generate the desired profitability. But increasing revenue per employee will. That's why they are all pushing the triple play hard to gain market share or to at least maintain it before the high fixed costs eat them up.

The main reason why Verizon has low prices for their FIOS and are focusing on affluent areas is they want to minimize the "dark" or unused fiber, i.e., generating sufficient revenue to at least cover the high capital/start-up costs (depreciation expense) as well as hoping to generate the returns the investors are looking for. But many have concerns that whatever revenue and profits that may be gleaned from FIOS will not be adequate to compensate for shrinking landline revenue and its high margins (very little costs for calling features). Not to mention the fact that cable companies are not going to rollover and play dead to allow Verizon or ATT grab their customers.

Finally, your generalization that "corporations" desire less customers is quite loony and have no rational basis whatsoever. The best path to profitability is top line growth and productivity, not to decrease them. And higher prices haven't prevented Comcast from growing their customer base. And they have every reason to want to continue that growth as reflected in their presentations to investors/industry analysts.