 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Re: hummmsaid by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. |
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 kamm
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kamm
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2006-Oct-10 12:22 pm
said by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Umm no. The pirate distributes it. |
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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said by kamm:said by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Umm no. The pirate distributes it. That's what I thought too. EDIT: come to think of it, a pirate is one that takes from other people. However, i think the term pirate might have a different def. in this case. I dont know. |
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 nixenRockin' the Boxen
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said by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Piracy is the act of illegal conversion (i.e., "theft"). If you are the one that takes the licensed media and then distributes it - either for fee or fee - contrary to that license, you are the pirate. Buying or receiving/downloading such pirated content doesn't make you a pirate. It simply makes you a consumer of illegal goods (which is often illegal, as well, but is not, technically, theft). -tom |
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The real pirate distrubutes it for money. Only wannabe pirates give stuff away without charging hard currency for their warez. |
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 MidakDoctors suck
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2006-Oct-10 1:56 pm
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said by kamm:said by wifi4milez:said by hopeflicker:So does downloading a bootleg movie and watching it make one a pirate? YES. That is the definition of a pirate actually. Umm no. The pirate distributes it. Yes, and in this case, the downloader is the consumer, who made a choice of which vendor to "do business with" based on price, availability quality or all of the above. Fact is, that if the price was right, the product was easily attainable and the quality was as good or even better than what you find on a torrent or other p2p, I think many more people would go the safe route and pay for the product. If I could download a DVD (at full DVD quality,) burn it and be watching it a an hour or two I might just pay for it if the price was reasonable. Don't charge me 19.99 when I can buy it in the store for that amount. |
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kamm
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2006-Oct-10 2:45 pm
Exactly. |
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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Doesn't "theft" in the Pirate sense, entail denying access to the original work by the owner?
If I were to download a copy of the original from some "site", the original is still there for the "owner" to access.
No theft has taken place. No one is denied access to the original work.
Now, this is what is called Copyright Infringement.
It is not theft in any way. Theft is taking the "item" and leaving nothing in it's place. The original is still there - it has been copied.
As to the article, when someone downloads a copy of a movie or music track, there are NO LIMITATIONS on what this person can do with the file.
They can burn it to disc and play it in virtually any device.
They can transfer it to any device as many times as needed.
There is no need for ??? player software to go online and retrieve a license for playback.
The file doesn't die 24 hours later.
As soon as the xxAAs wake the f*** up and scrap the whole DRM bullshit, and lower the prices for non-physical media, then purchasing a LEGAL copy will be more atractive to everyone.
If I get a file, and it (tries to) installs some BS player software on my machine just to play that file, and that POS software breaks something... where do you think I will go next time I want that type of file?
Back to the asshats that borked my machine?
Or, to BT/Newsgroups to get a *CLEAN*(no-breaky-machiney) file?
Think about it... |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greed
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said by dadkins:Doesn't "theft" in the Pirate sense, entail denying access to the original work by the owner? If I were to download a copy of the original from some "site", the original is still there for the "owner" to access. No theft has taken place. No one is denied access to the original work. Now, this is what is called Copyright Infringement. It is not theft in any way. Theft is taking the "item" and leaving nothing in it's place. The original is still there - it has been copied. As to the article, when someone downloads a copy of a movie or music track, there are NO LIMITATIONS on what this person can do with the file. They can burn it to disc and play it in virtually any device. They can transfer it to any device as many times as needed. There is no need for ??? player software to go online and retrieve a license for playback. The file doesn't die 24 hours later. As soon as the xxAAs wake the f*** up and scrap the whole DRM bullshit, and lower the prices for non-physical media, then purchasing a LEGAL copy will be more atractive to everyone. If I get a file, and it (tries to) installs some BS player software on my machine just to play that file, and that POS software breaks something... where do you think I will go next time I want that type of file? Back to the asshats that borked my machine? Or, to BT/Newsgroups to get a *CLEAN*(no-breaky-machiney) file? Think about it... Well said |
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nixenRockin' the Boxen
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said by dadkins:Back to the asshats that borked my machine? Or, to BT/Newsgroups to get a *CLEAN*(no-breaky-machiney) file? Think about it... It used to be they warned you "don't download software from unknown sites because you might pick up something nasty." Now... Well, now if you go to "reputable" sites, you will get something nasty. Greaaaat... -tom |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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said by nixen:said by dadkins:Back to the asshats that borked my machine? Or, to BT/Newsgroups to get a *CLEAN*(no-breaky-machiney) file? Think about it... It used to be they warned you "don't download software from unknown sites because you might pick up something nasty." Now... Well, now if you go to "reputable" sites, you will get something nasty. Greaaaat... -tom Shit! Buying the actual DVD or CD may trash your machine! Screw the downloads! I'll take my chances with the downloads sooner than running a DVD or CD that tries to root my laptop!  |
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nixenRockin' the Boxen
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2006-Oct-10 3:50 pm
said by dadkins:said by nixen:said by dadkins:Back to the asshats that borked my machine? Or, to BT/Newsgroups to get a *CLEAN*(no-breaky-machiney) file? Think about it... It used to be they warned you "don't download software from unknown sites because you might pick up something nasty." Now... Well, now if you go to "reputable" sites, you will get something nasty. Greaaaat... -tom Shit! Buying the actual DVD or CD may trash your machine! Screw the downloads! I'll take my chances with the downloads sooner than running a DVD or CD that roots my laptop! Buying (or borrowing, or applying the five-finger discount) the DVD or CD won't trash your machine, but putting the media in certainly might. -tom |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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ROFL! Just what I want to see, one(or more) of my security apps popping up a warning window when I try to play a disc, be it a CD or DVD! Yeah, that sounds cool, huh? |
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nixenRockin' the Boxen
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2006-Oct-10 3:59 pm
said by dadkins:ROFL! Just what I want to see, one(or more) of my security apps popping up a warning window when I try to play a disc, be it a CD or DVD! Yeah, that sounds cool, huh? Better that they did pop something up than that they let the nasties go about their merry way. No? -tom |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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LOL! "Buy our LEGAL discs, it's safer!" Rootkit, machine crippling DRM, God knows what else... but it's legal.  Download the file... *maybe* a virus or trojan, but I have anti-virus and anti-trojan scanners/protection. Decisions decisions... |
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 JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Gary, Ziggy, Max.
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nixenRockin' the Boxen
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said by dadkins:LOL! "Buy our LEGAL discs, it's safer!" Rootkit, machine crippling DRM, God knows what else... but it's legal. Download the file... *maybe* a virus or trojan, but I have anti-virus and anti-trojan scanners/protection. Decisions decisions... In other news, Tower Records is going out of busines... -tom |
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Tower Records. Home of the $20.00 cd. What a shame.  |
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 PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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I have never once gotten any mal/spy/crapware or virii or trojans from downloading mp3s and videos. But the Sony DRM stuff scared the crap out of me and I was simply lucky it didn't effect me, as I still like to purchase the good cds, and by pure luck didn't happen to purchase any with DRM on 'em. |
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 J E F F4Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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And then they wonder why people download off the net instead. Then agian..I got so sick of it and went to Linux..now I don't have to put up with that... |
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