Piracy is a Competitor → Re: hummm

Really, I've seen plenty of stories about people getting busted here... including dead grandma's, little kids, college kids (who probably should know better), and the list goes on...

The BBR article here says that there are already copies of most anything out there, which you also agree is a pretty much given... Therefore, the use of DRM doesn't exist to stop people from putting out stuff on the web, it exists so that nobody can copy it to anything, because, who would want to? who could do anything with it? Nobody. Not even the intended purchaser in some cases, which just creates headaches for everyone... have you read about the new Zune DRM??? Even more confusion.

Granted, it sort of works, but it's basically flawed. Sure, iTunes lets you make a real cd, or put it on an ipod, but that's it. Sure, Rhapsody lets you have "to go" (for $5 more a month?) but it's plagued with a ton of issues on different players, and then you have to renew your tracks, some of which might just mysteriously vanish from the service

And I have a hard time imagining that 90% of bit torrent traffic is purely illegal. What about the thousands and thousands of people sharing LEGAL tapings of concerts??? Surely this still accounts for a large chunk. In fact, if you've ever read up on it, that's why ol' Bram made the thing up in the 1st place, and it works great for sharing LEGAL tapings of concerts.
Also, just to consider, what if that tape you had from some obscure shop years and years ago, that's hiding in a box somewhere, had a great b-side of a band you loved, but there were no cd available? Somebody out there likely made it available. ...So what about the ton of folks seeking the obscure and causing zero harm to artists or labels???
Granted, that's a minority, especially with the explosion in popularity, but it's a thing to consider...

Anyway, agreed that the Russian site is crap, see my post below...

Agreed that people should pay the piper, but telling people to do it like their folks did is laughable. If anything, we're getting BETTER deals when we pay for it than they did (except for inflated cd prices). ...See EMUSIC... ...See Rhapsody...

Thank you

Taping a concert is called bootlegging, which is illegal and a violation of your ticket if you've ever read it.

Another utter BS - do you actually know anything?

It's subject to the local venue's rules.

I've been several concerts when you could not only bring your own camcorder and record it but the venue provided your place in a special 'booth' and audio hookup to get perfect quality, synced audio - all in return for the copy you gave them, royalty-free.

thank you kamm.

I do not support illegal bootlegging of shows, nor would I download, or upload such a thing.

Yes, rachelsfx, it can be illegal, and some venues/bands state that no such thing is to occur. Sometimes it's out of their hands. The venue might disallow it, or have certain restrictions...
Sometimes it isn't.
Guess what, whatever the case, tapers seem to generally respect those limitations and follow the artist's/venue's wishes.

I've also purchased shows, straight from the artist's sites. It's awesome.

for instance::: »bootlegs.pearljam.com

They also do a MUCH better job recording becuase they can take ALL the tracks and then mix/master it. VERY worth the money for such a recording and memory of the show. I even generally pay extra for FLAC's... with no DRM.

hint: No DRM = no restriction on my FAIR USE of purchased recordings... I can play them in my home stereo, car, portable, etc. and I do not share my files! Why would I??? I just PAID for them, so I see no reason so give it away. This is called Honesty, which also involves a certain level of Trust (which works both ways!).

Therein lies the biggest problem with DRM, it inherently instills DIS-trust in the user.

If a LEGAL recording exists for another show, that wasn't made available via the band themselves, I might consider checking it out. Usually the quality sucks, but it's worth a listen just to hear how they did, what songs were played, or the sheer pleasure of hearing a favorite band play.

I was merely pointing out that it's ONE main reason why bit torrent was created in the 1st place by Mr. Cohen.

For reference, here's ONE site which lists bands who allow taping of their shows...
»www.answers.com/topic/li ··· ormances

It's enlightening.

Bootlegging -- that is, the unauthorized fixation of a performance -- was not illegal until _very_ recently; it was made so by a law bought and paid for by the recording industry. Why should anyone have any respect for that law?