Topic 'Re: And this is why' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378310 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:53:47 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:53:47 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381667
Most states have a "One Call" facility to handle locate before you dig services. In this case, it is not the home owners responsibility to call in the locate, it is the cable company or their installers responsibility. It does not say if this was a aerial to the home, and the installer was grounding the interface box on the side of the home, or was a direct buried to the home and he was again installing a interface box that needed grounding.

It doesn't take much to punch a hole in a plastic service line to a home. Investigated allot of those type damages in my time, luckly without loss of life.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381667 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:40:07 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381307 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381307 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:21:17 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381062 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17381062 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:37:20 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380487 said by DMS1:

said by captokita:

This does beg the question as to why the installer didn't immediately close the valve at the meter. Perhaps he was too busy smoking a cigarette!
That wouldn't have stopped any explosion, since he probably hit the service line which is before the meter. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380487 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:42:25 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380465
In california, it's digalert.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380465 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:37:00 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380219 --
(insert company name)we are not responsible for defective products or could care less about your product after we have your cash..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380219 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:50:47 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17380200
Just a hunch, though ;) :)
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Scary. Not to mention that the approved piping for this sort of thing is tested and certified under very strict rules right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379726 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:22:53 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379578 said by telcotech:

A ground rod is copper plated STEEL. It's nearly impossible to drive a 5/8" diameter 100% COPPER rod more than a foot or two in most soils before it bends.
Really? I found some 6-8Ft grounding rods left by Verizon on my property, I cut some in half and made stakes. Guess what, solid copper. I think they had a sticker on them that said 'Grounding rod UL certified' too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379578 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:57:15 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379466 said by POB:

said by John Galt6:

Calling the 'underground service alert' line for your area will notify ALL of the 'utilities'...cable company included.

Interesting. Where would I find that #.
Google 'utility notification dig' or look in the front of your phone book or call any utility.

Easy!

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Calling the 'underground service alert' line for your area will notify ALL of the 'utilities'...cable company included.

Interesting. Where would I find that #.
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To further clarify - Calling "the utilities" for a matter such as this one isn't the solution. No one will come out and check anything for cable-related matters other than the cable co.Calling the 'underground service alert' line for your area will notify ALL of the 'utilities'...cable company included.
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said by Sweet Witch:

You call the utility companies beforehand!!
Just to clarify...

They will only do the utility side of the meter (gas, electric, whatever). If the line is on the customer side of the meter, then the property owner is responsible for the locating.

The article gives no clue as to what side was punctured...utility or customer.
To further clarify - Calling "the utilities" for a matter such as this one isn't the solution. No one will come out and check anything for cable-related matters other than the cable co. And if your cable co. tech is an idiot, then you're SOL-JWF just like the 2 dead people in the article. Cable connectivity is not considered a utility by the law.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379247 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:04:45 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17379245 said by Corehhi:

Their using hard plastic for gas lines now? I wouldn't call that safe.
So you'd rather have the rusty metal?

I'm sure that if someone was really determined to drive that ground rod in they could puncture metal pipe too.
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A ground rod is copper plated STEEL. It's nearly impossible to drive a 5/8" diameter 100% COPPER rod more than a foot or two in most soils before it bends.

I had to ground my Dish with a 7 ft rod you can do it. not Impossible,
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Well, my guess would be, since the installer was injured as well, it happened as he was sinking the rod. When the rod pierced the gas line, it sparked and blew the thing up, since the line is attached to the house, the gas in the house went up as well.] From the article, it sounds like the installer realised what he may have done and reported it, and subsequently the gas company came to investigate. It was then that the explosion happened. This does beg the question as to why the installer didn't immediately close the valve at the meter. Perhaps he was too busy smoking a cigarette!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378696 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:26:59 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378686 said by telcotech:

A ground rod is copper plated STEEL. It's nearly impossible to drive a 5/8" diameter 100% COPPER rod more than a foot or two in most soils before it bends.
I believe that gas lines are only required to be buried 18" down so I'm sure that unless the soil was really hard a couple of good swipes with a hammer would have reached the line and gone straight through it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378686 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:24:38 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378574
The gas piping around here (that's not some sort of plastic /PVC material) is black iron - (both of) which can be cracked or shattered when struck under the right circumstances.

CATV guys get to drive only 6 footers?? Those lucky bas*ards! The NEC specifies 8 footers for grounding electrical systems ::sigh::
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How can you pierce a iron/steel gas line with a 6 foot copper rod? And how did the gas get inside the house from outside?
Well, my guess would be, since the installer was injured as well, it happened as he was sinking the rod. When the rod pierced the gas line, it sparked and blew the thing up, since the line is attached to the house, the gas in the house went up as well.

Scary. It's possible (probable) the installer never knew there was a gas line there. Bad communications..... if you have to pound in a ground rod, you should ask if there's a chance you may hit something. (power, gas) - just as the homeowner should know where the lines come in. Again, they probably didn't know what the installer was doing either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378564 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:02:08 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378540 said by MrkFrnt:

The yellow plastic is just sheathing, the actual gas line inside the yellow is metal and flexible.
Sheathing is only on the tracer wire buried with it.

The lines that I have had exposure to are 100% plastic.

In fact, if the tracer wire has been cut you can't even locate the lines and you must dig until you can find the tracer wire to be able to locate it.
(I am a former locator and gas was one of my utilities)

peace]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378540 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:59:07 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378461 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378461 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:45:24 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378442 said by MrkFrnt:

The yellow plastic is just sheathing, the actual gas line inside the yellow is metal and flexible.
Are you sure? I must admit I have never seen the inside of a gas line here, but I know in England the lines look identical and they are 100% plastic. Are you sure you are not confusing the meter-to-house connection with the main gas lines which can be metal coated in yellow plastic. Even if they are metal, the fact that it is flexible means it is also thin.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378442 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:42:40 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378423 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378423 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:39:29 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378409 said by rawgerz:

How can you pierce a iron/steel gas line with a 6 foot copper rod? And how did the gas get inside the house from outside?
Incoming gas lines are yellow plastic of some sort, with only the risers at each end being metal. A metal spike hammered into the ground would easily go through this. Given that the ground rod would be within a few inches of the house I would have thought that it wouldn't be too hard for the gas to creep in somehow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378409 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:37:26 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378396 said by rawgerz:

How can you pierce a iron/steel gas line with a 6 foot copper rod? And how did the gas get inside the house from outside?
Cause most gas lines put in over the last several years are plastic.

peace]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378396 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:35:21 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378375 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378375 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:32:17 EDT Re: And this is why http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-this-is-why-17378363 said by Sweet Witch:

You call the utility companies beforehand!! Just to clarify...

They will only do the utility side of the meter (gas, electric, whatever). If the line is on the customer side of the meter, then the property owner is responsible for the locating.

The article gives no clue as to what side was punctured...utility or customer.
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