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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
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Re: EFF - Encouraging Fraudulent Filesharing

said by Nightfall:

What about the software makers who make a living off sales of shareware and get ripped off? I know no one cares about the profits of microsoft, but what about the small software companies?
The small software makers who do not have the marketing capital to get their wares to the public normally benefit more from this model. In regards to shareware most of that software is easy to find without the use of P2P because the developers let most legit download sites post for them. Since shareware is mostly about donations or purchasing the full version P2P doesn't seem to affect them.

I did do a bit of software digging on P2P out of curiosity, and what I found is that most shareware offered is the free version. Not the full version. Granted there are hundreds of programs out there and I can no way check all of them, but at the same time some of the programs I decided to download. Sure enough that download had all the instructions and data available telling me where to donate or buy the upgrade. Either the file sharers took the shareware version or maybe some developers are seeding the P2P landscape themselves.

Another thing to note regarding the fear of software being traded. It's essentially just that. One shining example is a game that came out not too long ago called Galactic Civilizations II. The game was completely DRM free and could be completely loaded onto your computer without needing the CD to run the game. The developers specifically said they will not restrict their game and were very open in their supporting web site. It was the top selling software title it's first week out in many stores (not game title, software overall) and additional orders from stores like Best Buy, EB Games and Gamestop far exceeded expectations.

This is a small company (Stardock Systems) and they made these sales by word of mouth (and glowing reviews). In spite of the fact this game had to have been a treasure trove for freeloaders to just download since there was no DRM the game still became a major hit.

In this crazy "download for free" world there are still plenty of people who will spend money on a good product. File sharing is not the problem. As you know my stance on the try before you buy model for P2P makes it extremely useful to both consumers and artists. The mentality of not buying anything is the problem, and that has to be dealt with on each individual basis.

Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI

Nightfall

MVM

quote:
The small software makers who do not have the marketing capital to get their wares to the public normally benefit more from this model.

Proof?

If it works or not, the issue here is choice. Sure, some software makers don't mind this delivery method. What about the ones that don't want it. They should have the choice not to participate. However, right now they have no choice.
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I did do a bit of software digging on P2P out of curiosity, and what I found is that most shareware offered is the free version. Not the full version. Granted there are hundreds of programs out there and I can no way check all of them, but at the same time some of the programs I decided to download. Sure enough that download had all the instructions and data available telling me where to donate or buy the upgrade. Either the file sharers took the shareware version or maybe some developers are seeding the P2P landscape themselves.

I don't know what P2P search engine you are looking at, but I can find a wealth of pirated warez and shareware full version products where I look. It doesn't take me long either. I won't draw any conclusions on this other than maybe I am more connected? Since I don't download this kind of thing, that would be a stretch.
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Another thing to note regarding the fear of software being traded. It's essentially just that. One shining example is a game that came out not too long ago called Galactic Civilizations II. The game was completely DRM free and could be completely loaded onto your computer without needing the CD to run the game. The developers specifically said they will not restrict their game and were very open in their supporting web site. It was the top selling software title it's first week out in many stores (not game title, software overall) and additional orders from stores like Best Buy, EB Games and Gamestop far exceeded expectations.

This is a small company (Stardock Systems) and they made these sales by word of mouth (and glowing reviews). In spite of the fact this game had to have been a treasure trove for freeloaders to just download since there was no DRM the game still became a major hit.

Oblivion was another title. However, there is a clear difference between the fear of software pirating and its existance. It still exists and it is a problem. Just because a couple companies say no to copy protection or any kind of DRM doesn't make it a problem. You are right, a major hit. Could they have made more if not for software pirating? Most definetly. You want to ask them if software pirating is ok? You think they would approve of that? Lets make it simple, if you owned the company and your check rode on the amount of copies sold, would you approve of it? I think not.
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In this crazy "download for free" world there are still plenty of people who will spend money on a good product. File sharing is not the problem. As you know my stance on the try before you buy model for P2P makes it extremely useful to both consumers and artists. The mentality of not buying anything is the problem, and that has to be dealt with on each individual basis.

That is something we can agree upon.