Topic 'New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way...' in forum 'Verizon FiOS TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18689754 en Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:10:51 EDT Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:10:51 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18783250 quote:
Does anyone who's picked up the new HD-TiVo know if the ESATA hack works with it (a special code was identified many weeks ago that apparently unlocks the pricier HD-TiVo's ability to add an external hard drive)?


The unofficial key code to enable eSATA doesn't work on the new TivoHD. Tivo has said that official eSATA support is coming by the end of the year.

In the near future, you will be able to upgrade the internal drive, but that requires more effort because you've got to unscrew the top and take the old drive out.

»www.mfslive.org/tivo_hd.htm

To upgrade, you'll use this Windows Utility which should be out for the public in the next two weeks (in testing now):

»www.mfslive.org/winmfs_p ··· view.htm

It creates a mirror of the original Tivo drive and then you restore that image to another drive. It also changes the Tivo configuration to expect the larger drive size.

If you are going to upgrade the internal drive, make sure you get a drive designed for 24/7 operation in DVRs. Examples include:

Seagate DB35 500Gb (ST3500830SCE)
Seagate DB35 750Gb (ST3750840SCE)
Western Digital AV 500Gb (WD5000AVJS)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18783250 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:30:50 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18783122
I am personally waiting to see the new FiOS IMG, but am also doing some serious contemplation of the HD-TiVo (had a TiVo from pretty much Day One before FiOS) or something along with lines of a Media Center PC. I would, however, have to keep a FiOS STB around for VOD, as my whole family tends to use that feature pretty heavily.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18783122 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:09:16 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18782831
It'll get you some irritated looks when you ask for your gift card at minute 25, but I'll take 'em for $25 bucks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18782831 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:36:51 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18782515
»www.circuitcity.com/ccd/ ··· HD%20DVR

You might be able to apply the Circuit City "$40 off $199" coupon (expires 7/31) to get it for $218.99.

»www.fatwallet.com/forums ··· &start=0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18782515 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:00:44 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18780291 said by dmodert66:

I was wondering (I'm kinda a noob when it comes to this DVR stuff)...I used to have a TIVO and definetly liked the dual buffer, guide, etc...I am however, worried that I won't get VOD (I use it pretty often)...Is there a way to daisy chain the Tivo with the VZ DVR or a VZ regular tuner? If so, I would probably spend the money on the Tivo and have both...Thanks in advance for the replies :)
Unlike old Tivos which connected to your cable box, the the TivoHD replaces the cable box.

You could still keep a separate STB for VOD and switch it whenver you want to watch that. But VOD won't function through the Tivo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18780291 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:17:48 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18780039 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18780039 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:41 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18743174 said by aalll :

They could implement it but don't have the expertise, apparently, to do so.
What exactly makes this "apparent"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18743174 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:14:38 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738861 said by Topshelf147:

Wonder if I could pick one up and just replace one of my existing S2's without affecting my monthy charge?
You can certainly do that. Just login to Tivo.com and replace the ID of your old Tivo with the new one, just as you would do if you replaced a defective Tivo with a new one.

However, if you are going to do that, you must buy the TivoHD from somewhere other than Tivo.com. When you buy from Tivo.com, you are obligated to add it as a new box to your account. When you buy elsewhere, you can do whatever you want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738861 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:12:18 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738468 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738468 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:16:53 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738211
Being someone who owned a TiVo from the very first release (had to special order it over the internet) I love the TiVo interface and quality. Coming from DirecTV I haven't tried out any of the advanced features, but they sound interesting. I am currently tossing around the idea of setting up a HTPC and this just adds one more option to the mix. It would be nice to see the new FiOS IMG in action, and even better if they would enable the SATA port on the back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738211 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:26 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18738159 said by KenAF:

said by stephenju:

It seems to support MCard out of the box. Does anyone know if Verizon provides MCard now?
Verizon now has MCARDs in some areas.

Motorola halted all shipments of non-MCARDs back in April. All new shipments are for MCARDs only.

Verizon replaces their CableCards with MCARDs as stock runs out. Some markets had a large inventory of the old CableCards....so they don't have MCARDs yet.
So do we have MCARDs in NoVA?
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»www.tivolovers.com/a-rev ··· ecorder/

For those who want nothing but screenshots (site is slow):

»www.tivolovers.com/photo ··· -photos/

TivoHD orders from Tivo.com ship today, but it won't hit the likes of Best Buy for a few more weeks.

If you want an upgraded unit with a larger hard drive, DVRUpgrade is taking orders on TivoHD units with up to 1Tb.

»www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/s ··· lite.cfm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18737461 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:00:21 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18737421 said by stephenju:

It seems to support MCard out of the box. Does anyone know if Verizon provides MCard now?
Verizon now has MCARDs in some areas.

Motorola halted all shipments of non-MCARDs back in April. All new shipments are for MCARDs only.

Verizon replaces their CableCards with MCARDs as stock runs out. Some markets had a large inventory of the old CableCards....so they don't have MCARDs yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18737421 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:55:55 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18737364 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18737364 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:49:58 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18735316
»www.tivo.com/whatistivo/ ··· toToWhat

Best Buy has obtained exclusive retailer rights to sell the hard drive expansion, no other details other than it's a raid device of some type. Which means it's likely to be expensive.

MRV will only support SD shows for now.
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....unless I'm missing something.
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When directv replaced tivo with their new DVR (the r15, e.g.), there were many fights on this other directv forum regarding which was better. One thing I noticed is that the preference someone showed really depended on how they primarily used the box. If you spend 95% of your time just watching recorded material, then Tivo won hands down. If you spent 95% of your time watching live TV, or even accessing live TV, the r15 won hands down. If you were split in your viewing, well it became a matter of which paradigm you preferred.

Personally, I watch alot of recorded stuff, but I also like to surf. As a result, I like the dvr/live tv integration. Like I said, I thought directv's box was the best I've seen with that - it was totally seemless. I could start playing back a recording, e.g., then I could surf the channels. If I found something else I wanted to watch live, I would just select on it. The playback would stop, and the live show would start playing. Then I hit commercial, and I hit the 'prev' button, it would actually take me back into the recorded show, and resume playback without a hitch. Very nice.

The 6416 has some of that integration, but not nearly to the same extent. I also agree that tivo isn't useless as a cable box. But it's main focus is to act as a DVR.

Thanks for the feedback.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18697433 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:33:47 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18697161 said by JPL:

[snip]

There were some things I didn't care for with my direcTV Tivo - if you wouldn't mind, since you have the series 3, could you hit some of these for me? I'd like to know if these are still issues with the series 3, or if these were specific to the directv version of the tivo boxes:

[snip]
Without going into too much tedious detail, the TiVo interface on my Series3 has changed very little from the interface on my Series1 from 2001. The issues you mention (wouldn't really call them 'problems') still exist - with the exception of the slowness you cite. I have found each successive TiVo includes better hardware and is significantly faster than the one before.

The issue I agree with is the inability to bring up the guide (or any menus) while watching a recorded program, and inability to bring up menus while watching Live TV. That is my sole gripe with TiVo.

But my usage is different than you say yours is. We mainly record shows and then watch the recordings. That's about 85% of our usage. TiVo is much better with that usage (DVR functions) than Verizon's DVR. Pure and simple. If I was more of a "flipper," the Verizon DVR operates much better as a pure-and-simple Cable Box than a TiVo does.

The TiVo isn't as useless as a cable box as the 6416 is as a DVR, though. Not by a long shot. Does that even make sense? Said another way:

TiVo gets an "A" as a DVR and a "C+" as a straight cable box.

6416 gets a "C-" as a DVR and a "B" as a straight cable box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18697161 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:58:13 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18697009
But I've gone WAY off topic here - this thread was about the new Tivo box. Personally, if I could get VOD through a cable card, I'd be all over the tivo box. It's a great system, and it's understandable why some folks get attached to it.

There were some things I didn't care for with my direcTV Tivo - if you wouldn't mind, since you have the series 3, could you hit some of these for me? I'd like to know if these are still issues with the series 3, or if these were specific to the directv version of the tivo boxes:

1) One touch recording. I really like this feature alot - hit one button and the show is scheduled to record. Hit it again, and you have a series set up. My old tivo didn't have that.

2) Better guide functionality. There were several items that I found lacking with my old tivo, that I really didn't like. For example, there was nothing on the guide that indicated when a show was set to record - unlike the moto dvr that puts a red circle on those shows. Also, I didn't like the fact that the guid just overlaid the live TV feed. There was really no way to change that. Unlike the new IMG, apparently, which gives you options on how to display the guide - even one which puts the guide transparently over what you're watching. Also, I like the idea of having color coding on the guide. Sounds stupid, I know, but I had that with my first DirecTV receiver and I liked it alot. On every subsequent receiver, that wasn't there. The fact that they've added that with the new guide is something that I'm really looking forward to.

3) Along with that - is there integration between live tv and dvr functionality with the series 3? I really didn't care for the two operating modes with tivo - you were either in live tv, or you were in tivo central, but you couldn't watch live tv while mucking with your recordings, e.g. In this capacity I thought the DirecTV DVR (the new one) was the best overall. Everything was very smoothly integrated between the live TV feed and the DVR functionality. I liked that alot.

4) Guide performance - I found the guide to be painfully slow with my old tivo. Scrolling took forever.

As you can tell, I'm a big fan of watching stuff live. Many hardcore DVR users don't care about the integration to live tv (they never watch anything live), so the deficiencies with tivo on this front doesn't phase them. But if tivo has fixed these items, I'd be much more willing to take another look at this new box. I am willing to give the new IMG a real go, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18697009 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:35:09 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696964 said by knarf829:

EDIT TO ADD: If the reports are right that you can no longer remove unwanted channels from the guide (i.e. channels you don't subscribe to and Spanish Language versions of channels) then this so called "Upgrade" is actually a step backwards regardless.
I totally agree with that, and add that to the reports of the 480 override being taken away (although there seems to be a workaround) it looks like the update will be a step backwards in functionality, but hopefully a step forward in usability.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696964 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:30:05 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696846 said by JPL:

Wow was THAT a spin on what I said :) Only being half serious, tried to mitigate with multiple "s" eating grins.

Honestely, though. Is it really Press Release, "look at what we've done for you" worthy?

"A little prettier, now with slightly less severely-crippled functionality!"

Sounds like a cheerleader I knew in High School who got a nose job and took an SAT course.

EDIT TO ADD: If the reports are right that you can no longer remove unwanted channels from the guide (i.e. channels you don't subscribe to and Spanish Language versions of channels) then this so called "Upgrade" is actually a step backwards regardless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696846 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:11:06 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696811
Others have argued - well why not do it the other way? Update the functionality on the existing s/w and THEN change the interface. That would make sense, except for one thing. Verizon currently doesn't own the s/w. They need to take ownership first. Which is what they're doing.

I think folks also need to draw distinctions here. This update affects the guide predominantly - yeah there are some enhancements that effect DVR functionality (being able to modify skip and jump-back times, e.g.) but really it's not the DVR functionality that's being updated here. I would hope, in the future, that they would start incorporating DVR functional changes into the new s/w. That's when you may see things like dual-live buffer, or the ability to reorder your recordings, things like that. With that in mind there are some real changes being incorporated into this new s/w - but they're almost totally changes in the guide s/w, not the DVR functionality. I think many people were hoping for more DVR functional changes (I know I was), which is why there's the perception that this change is purely cosmetic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696811 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:06:05 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696688
Its easier to start with the basics an work on adding the functionality once the proper base had been built. Also the more functionality they add the longer it would take to finsih, and deploy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696688 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:48:56 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696629 said by Ronin_R6:

said by JPL:

Now that Verizon has control of the s/w I hope they'll be responsive to user requests for future functionality.
Are we talking about the same Verizon here?

I agree it was smart to keep the new guide simple, no need to make it more confusing for the masses than it has to be.

I must say i am really prepared to be underwhelmed by the new guide, and am intrigued by the S3 light option.
I'm with you guys! Three cheers to Verizon for not even trying to enhance functionality and usability! Bonus kudos for not even trying during the same month you jack up the DVR price to new subscribers! Hip Hip Hooray! :D :D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696629 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:40:55 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696400 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18696400 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:10:56 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18695838 said by Ronin_R6:

said by JPL:

Now that Verizon has control of the s/w I hope they'll be responsive to user requests for future functionality.
Are we talking about the same Verizon here?

I agree it was smart to keep the new guide simple, no need to make it more confusing for the masses than it has to be.

I must say i am really prepared to be underwhelmed by the new guide, and am intrigued by the S3 light option.
I did say I HOPE they'll be responsive :) Even if they're not, I do think they'll start enhancing the s/w. The fact that they decided that redoing the guide s/w was a priority in the first place is a good sign. They understand the importance of competing on this front. And like I posted in a different thread, you should see the drool over this new guide on some other forums. There's a directv forum where some posters caught that tutorial that had been floating around the web, and the envy that you could read in those posts...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18695838 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:55:22 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18695280 said by JPL:

Now that Verizon has control of the s/w I hope they'll be responsive to user requests for future functionality.
Are we talking about the same Verizon here?

I agree it was smart to keep the new guide simple, no need to make it more confusing for the masses than it has to be.

I must say i am really prepared to be underwhelmed by the new guide, and am intrigued by the S3 light option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18695280 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:19:34 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18694925
I don't believe a lack of a DLB is an indication of a lack of expertise. DirecTV doesn't have it either, and they were the ones who first adopted Tivo as their DVR platform of choice.

My point here is not to slam DirecTV - please don't misread that. I like the functionality of their DVR. I'm just using them as a case study in what NOT to do when you adopt a platform. I personally think that Verizon is going about this the right way. Yeah there's some functionality that I would love to see baked into the new guide, and I hope that they're responsive to such requests and that they add that functionality in future s/w releases, but I would much rather have a box that handles the basics of what it's supposed to do with pared down functionality than a box that has functionality out the wazoo that doesn't work quite right.

Now that Verizon has control of the s/w I hope they'll be responsive to user requests for future functionality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18694925 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:24:14 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18694868 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18694868 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:39:23 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18692170 said by cdru:

said by knarf829:ability to actually make use of both tuners for live TV viewing,
I'm able to use both tuners with my IMG 2.0 box AFAIK. I believe I specifically tested it last night where I watched one show, changed channels and watched another. Used the "Last" button and was able to rewind back to where I was watching prior.
I just tried this again and it doesn't provide any playback beyond when I switch back.

Eg:

1. Watching 807 (ABC)
2. Enter in 840 (Food)
3. Press Last button to switch to 807
Can't rewind 807 past when I just switched back by pressing the Last button.
4. Press Last button to switch to 840
Can't rewind 840 past when I just switched back by pressing the Last button.

When I had Cablevision and their SA boxes, the above would have worked better allowing me to rewind in step 3 to the beginning of step 1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18692170 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:02:48 EDT Dual tuner difference http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Dual-tuner-difference-18691175 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Dual-tuner-difference-18691175 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:50:49 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18691126 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18691126 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:43:42 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690949
cdru, any chance you could verify the dual buffers? I wasn't aware that was somehow added to the new IPG.

Thanks ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690949 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:22:41 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690907
We are a 2 DVR family. The extra expense is worth the slimmer chance of arguments about what to record.

Luckily, the $200 father's day rebate on the Series3 coincided with that decision, so the bite was a little less than it could have been.

It is worth every penny we spent on it. The Series3 is our primary now, the Verizon is the overflow DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690907 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:16:19 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690677 said by cdru:

said by JPL:

I would imagine that the price will quickly drop too.
Has it dropped in the past? A quick whirl around the Wayback Machine shows that in 2001 it was $10/month or $200 for a lifetime. By 2003, that had gone up to the current 12.95/month or $249 lifetime. The lifetime then went up to $299 and may or may not even be available anymore. I'm not so sure that the monthly fee is going to be dropping any time soon.
No, I was referring to the initial cost of the box, not the monthly fee. You're right, the monthly fee is too high in opinion. The biggest boon to tivo came when DirecTV adopted them, and they offered the DVR service for a dirt cheap price - $5 for all DVRs in your house, which eventually went up to $6.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690677 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:47:22 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690635 said by cdru:

SD can be passed through native. 720p is either upconverted to 1080i or vice versa with Verizon. 99% of the general public couldn't tell you the difference between the two or a cheap scaler vs an expensive one.I'm not 99% of the general public. If 720p looked good at 1080i, folks would just broadcast everything in 1080i. Same Vice Versa. 720p isn't meant to be watched at 1080i. Same Vice Versa.

Specifically which issues?
The transport functions are infinitely better for one thing. Worlds apart. You've never seen anyone complain about Verizon's guide data? Come on...I see you around here a lot - you must have. No such problem with TiVo. Can check signal levels without having to turn it off. Better hardware cooling scheme. I really don't think I need to reiterate all the varying problems folks have had with the Motorola box that are specific to the hardware and no IMG will ever fix.

The video stuttering / memory allocation / have to cycle through output resolutions to fix issue alone should be enough of an example.

It can't be news that the TiVo interface is better / sleeker / more functional than free cable company DVRs are or will ever be, can it? I'm not seeing why that's so controversial.

I agree that, if you want to cheap your way around your entertainment system, relying on a free cable company DVR is the way to go.

That's not the route we chose. TV is our main entertainment - I can't sit through a movie with a bunch of people jawing it up and screaming kids. We don't shoot up to NYC to musicals every weekend. We took that money and built up our home entertainment system so we can enjoy ourselves in our environment the way we want to.

I've used the Series1 TiVo, Series2 TiVo, Comcast DVR, Verizon DVR and Series3 TiVo. Nothing compares to the latter.

If you're satisfied with what Verizon gave you, more power to you.

Edit: Forgot...

Online scheduling
Digital music player
Digital photo viewer
Tivo-To-Go (TTG) and multi-room viewing (MRV) are reportedly coming to the S3 and S3 Lite with a software update this fall. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690635 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:43:10 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690553 said by knarf829:

Aside from the infinitely better search capabilities, smarter series recording options, avoidance of duplicate recordings, I'll give you those. I do admit that I have never owned one nor used Tivo's search capabilities. But I have used both Dish's and Verizon's. People said the same thing with Dish. I never had a problem really with missed recordings after setting up a "season pass". And if it recorded a duplicate of an episode, who cares. Delete it and move on with your life. Unless I'm really missing something and it's not just endless fanboy love for Tivo, I'll keep my $299 and stick with the FiOS

"deleted items" folder,
IMO, a novelty rather then a must have. If you are careful with the delete button, the need is negated.

ability to actually make use of both tuners for live TV viewing,
I'm able to use both tuners with my IMG 2.0 box AFAIK. I believe I specifically tested it last night where I watched one show, changed channels and watched another. Used the "Last" button and was able to rewind back to where I was watching prior.

ability to download movies and shows from Amazon,
For a fee...I can also get PPV...for a fee.

ability to keep everything in native resolution and avoid cheap scalers,
SD can be passed through native. 720p is either upconverted to 1080i or vice versa with Verizon. 99% of the general public couldn't tell you the difference between the two or a cheap scaler vs an expensive one.

access to a bunch of downloaded content from a bunch of providers that is constantly growing,
Of which most (all?) is free web videos anyways. Nothing like paying for something that you can get for free already.

ability to turn on Digital Closed captions inside the interface,
Can be done with the IMG 2.0 interface.

ability to add up to 1 Terrabye storage space
Got us there

avoidance of all the other problems folks have with the Verizon 6416,
Specifically which issues?

I'm not saying that people don't like Tivo. It's a good product and were pioneers with the DVR interface. I guess I just don't see it as being $299+ better then what I have now.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690553 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:32:41 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690378 said by cdru:

So in other words, for $299, I can have the exact same amount of recording space and number of tuners, PLUS I have to pay $2.99/month for the cable card, PLUS 12.95/month (presuming monthly payment plan), PLUS I can't get any type of VOD programming. The Series 3 light does have ATSC tuners so you can use it record local broadcast stations over the air, which is handy if Verizon does not provide all the local HD and SD digital stations you can get OTA.

The new Tivo does sound interesting, but how much money are they saving cutting to a 160 GB HD? I would be more interested in a 320 to 400 GB HD model, even if it were $349 or $399. In bulk buy prices, the cost difference between 160 and 320 GB should not be that big. I have not followed the Series 3 discussions very closely, but I gather that while people have gotten external SATA HDs to work, they are still not officially supported and don't have the user friendly features one would like for supporting eSATA drives.

If I don't like the new IMG 2.0, I could see dropping the 6416 DVR in favor of - this would add up - a Series 3 Tivo with one multi-stream cable card ($3/month?) and the $10/month non-DVR from Verizon to maintain VOD capability and as a backup if the cablecard craps out. But I would much rather have a 320 GB or 400 GB internal HD Series 3 for the extra space when not messing with a eSATA drive.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690378 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:12:16 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690317 said by JPL:

I would imagine that the price will quickly drop too.Has it dropped in the past? A quick whirl around the Wayback Machine shows that in 2001 it was $10/month or $200 for a lifetime. By 2003, that had gone up to the current 12.95/month or $249 lifetime. The lifetime then went up to $299 and may or may not even be available anymore. I'm not so sure that the monthly fee is going to be dropping any time soon.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690317 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:03:47 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690309
Aside from the infinitely better search capabilities, smarter series recording options, avoidance of duplicate recordings, "deleted items" folder, ability to actually make use of both tuners for live TV viewing, ability to download movies and shows from Amazon, ability to keep everything in native resolution and avoid cheap scalers, access to a bunch of downloaded content from a bunch of providers that is constantly growing, ability to turn on Digital Closed captions inside the interface, ability to add up to 1 Terrabye storage space, avoidance of all the other problems folks have with the Verizon 6416, you are correct. There is essentially no difference..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690309 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:03:01 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690238 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690238 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:55:25 EDT Re: New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690200 --
Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18690200 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:51:04 EDT New $299 Tivo Series3 on the way... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18689754
Like the Tivo Series3, it will record two different SD or HD programs at 100% original quality, while you simultaneously watch a third, previously-recorded program. The specs are the same as the current Series3, except it has a smaller hard drive (160Gb), no OLED front panel display, no THX certification, and a standard Tivo remote for $299.

The new "Series3 Lite" retains the eSATA interface for virtually unlimited capacity expansion with external hard drives. It will also ship with MCARD support from day one, meaning one card (@ $2.99/mo from FiOS) will be sufficient to support all FiOS channels with dual tuners.

According to the thread, the new Series3 "Lite" will support all the software features of the current Series3, including SP, WL, KidZone, Online scheduling, Digital music player, Digital photo viewer, Home Movie sharing, Amazon Unbox, and Univ Swivel Search. Tivo-To-Go (TTG) and multi-room viewing (MRV) are reportedly coming to the S3 and S3 Lite with a software update this fall. The current Series3 should also get MCARD support in a firmware update.



More info, including pics in this thread:
»www.tivocommunity.com/ti ··· t=358862

For those who have never used a Tivo, below is a screenshot comparison of the Tivo interface compared to the standard Comcast DVR interface. The lines alternate, first three shots are Tivo, next three shots are Motorola...

»www.brothersontech.com/b ··· -dct6412]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/New-299-Tivo-Series3-on-the-way-18689754 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:49:25 EDT