http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19149707 en Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:59:49 EDT Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:59:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19152248
The original rebuttal:
»www.trueorigin.org/theob ··· ld1a.asp

And the response to the response to the rebuttal:
»www.trueorigin.org/ca_ac_01.asp

I'm glad I switched to ATT CallVantage. It has been rock solid so far.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19152248 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:03:27 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19152153
vinnie97 meet proven fact,
»www.talkorigins.org/faqs ··· comdesc/

proven fact educate vinnie97.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19152153 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:12:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19151548 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19151548 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:30:12 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19151225 said by bngdup:

Haha "Patented Technology"...I guess you really haven't read the patents.....Verizon apparently thinks they own the patent to SIP packets and/or any other protocol similar to SIP thats used for VOIP and Sprint has a patent for telephony signaling over an ATM network(which Vonage doesnt even use). Oh, wait you're from Kansas...didnt your state vote against crazy theories like evolution....
Exactly. As I recall, ATM would mean one side of the conversation would require a different amount of bandwidth versus the other, such as 90kbps to talk, and 40kbps to hear. Last time I checked, uLAW (aka G711u) is 90kbps both ways. The other part of the argument concerns "telephony signals", but there is nothing that resembles what an ISDN or PRI connection when it comes to SIP. All of the packets are sent in a header that resembles an e-mail address, so it is NOTHING like standard telephone signals. How is this even related, when the signaling in question does not resemble the original PSTN service? Makes ya wonder... Hmmm...
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SIPPhone/Gizmo # 17476200648 / PIMPNET Chatline / Ran by Asterisk & Slackware 10.1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19151225 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:21:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150586
Yes, that is essentially correct. The attempt at correlating my location and inability to read seems biased though :(.
Science should be taught much more (often, and with gusto) than it is (everywhere). I was actually somewhat disappointed when I found out how bare the cirriculum was in high school with most science classes. Don't get me wrong, I loved physics, but having a broader variety of options would have been nice. Surprisingly, a high school I attended in Cheyenne as a junior had a bit more variety and an awesome electronics lab ;)
Fortunately, I have been done with the public school system for some years (Before the whole fiasco started).

As for the patents, it was (in the context of) a joke bngdup. I have read some of the material when it initially came out, though I'll admit I haven't exactly followed the entire story very closely. The whole thing is kind of silly IMHO; we're talking about a telephone's method of transport here... the rest of the Bell's should sue all of them for ripping off the idea of a handset. (//sarcasm\\)"We ARE All Your Base. All your telephones are belong to us. You have no chance to survive, make your time"(//sarcasm\\) :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150586 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:32:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150380 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150380 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:56:55 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150154
I'm not sure Vonage can go out of business in this manner. With 2 million customers, it would be pretty hard for a cable company or telco to pass up buying them on the cheap. The buyer should be able to rapidly reprogram the customer ATAs to use their own equipment or, if profitable, keep Vonage's infrastructure in place. I would guess that Vonage has a lot of long term agreements with local CLECs and any likely buyer would assume those contracts -- unless Vonage filed for bankruptcy and voided all the contracts. If a telco bought them I would guess that they could make a killing since they could migrate the POTS termination from CLEC equipment to their own and then aside from the cost of SIP infrastructure, the rest of the monthly fee is mostly profit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19150154 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:23:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19149799 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-I-can-guess-19149799 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:21:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-can-guess-19149707 isn't going to be...
and that'd be ol' net2phone (»net2phone.com).

So are people already taking bets on Vonage? That'd be insane if it really was them! That ad for "People do stupid things" comes to mind "like 'borrow' patented technology from major telcos and then try to resell it under a new name and make money!" :uhh: ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-can-guess-19149707 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:02:17 EDT